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Microsoft Surface Go Intel 4415Y / 8GB / 128GB SSD $748 @ Harvey Norman

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Microsoft Surface Go Intel 4415Y / 8GB / 128GB SSD $748 @ Harvey Norman
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frozze on 22/09/2018 - 13:32 harveynorman.com.au (2847 clicks)
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Picked up a Microsoft Surface Go 128GB/8GB model last night from Harvey Norman. I believe it's currently the cheapest around. Cheaper than the student discount from Microsoft store. The lower spec model (64GB / 4GB) is also on sale at $548.

Looks like the entire Surface line is on sale at Harvey: https://www.harveynorman.com.au/computers-tablets/ipads-surf…

Unfortunately, no discount on the Go Type Cover.

Not sure when the discount will end, could be 24th September but not 100% sure.

Thanks Illumination for the Amex offer reminder: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/403805
So, I paid $698 after the $50 Amex cashback.

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  • illumination on 22/09/2018 - 13:55
    +7

    Good for those who have saved the AMEX offer too!

    • frozze on 22/09/2018 - 13:56
      +1

      Oh yes, I had that offer. Forgot to mention that. Will try to add it to my post. Thanks for the reminder!

  • mightyhawks23 on 22/09/2018 - 13:58
    +1

    Live chatted to HN yday
    They said discount ends 2nd October - normal price is $850ish

  • CyberMurning on 22/09/2018 - 14:06
    +1

    What's surface go? Budget line of surface?

    • Grok on 22/09/2018 - 14:09

      Yeah, very budget

      • Geryatric on 22/09/2018 - 16:53

        It’s for the tablet market not the laptop market
        10” windows 10 s mode

        • otter-raptor on 22/09/2018 - 17:55
          +2

          Windows 10S can be converted to full version for free , heads up :)

        • Grok on 22/09/2018 - 19:13
          -8

          Well yeah but really it does both.

          It’s a crappy laptop and crappy tablet.

      • Samsungnote10 on 22/09/2018 - 21:11
        +2

        In my limited opinion of having.a play with this one and the entry level non go surface

        For basic use, and if you want to be able to type decentemails and docs with out being inconvenienced by slow processors or Less ram or the win 10s

        I think it's better to buy the entry level non go surface when on special for an extra $100 or so

        Happy to hear other opinions too

        Eg this one
        https://www.harveynorman.com.au/microsoft-surface-laptop-m3-…

        • Al123 on 23/09/2018 - 09:33

          The MS eBay deal of Surface Laptop i5/4/128 was just over, $1 more :)

        • Samsungnote10 on 23/09/2018 - 10:40

          @Al123:

          Well there you go!!! :)

          Also the keyboard being $200 odd, you're getting into $1000 territory

          For $1000 you can get some better spex bigger screen 2 in 1s which have better processor but do weigh more and screen res lower

  • Samsungnote10 on 22/09/2018 - 14:15

    Good Price but would the non surface go model with 128gb/4gb for 800 on sale be better?

    • frozze on 22/09/2018 - 14:22

      Probably but I already have a Surface Pro 3 and I wanted something smaller and lighter. So this deal worked out well for me!

  • Mapomatic on 22/09/2018 - 14:24
    +4

    It's the smaller, lighter version of the Surface. Comes in around 500 grams. I bought $700 dollars of HN vouchers for $651 from redeem your gift card as a sunsuper member.

    Also the cover is available for $140 from catch instead of the retail $200.

  • SuperSonic on 22/09/2018 - 16:39

    How’s the surface go compared to iPad? Also can it replace a laptop

    • O15 on 22/09/2018 - 16:44
      -5

      Completely different operating systems and programs.
      Depends what you would use a laptop for. Email, Facebook and web browsing? Sure. Actual work? No.

      • magic8ballgag on 22/09/2018 - 16:55
        +2

        Define 'actual work'.

      • C0mbat on 22/09/2018 - 17:14
        +6

        That is not what I've read in the reviews. For those who travel a lot this could be the perfect mobile work laptop solution. It will quite happily displays presentations, demonstrations via Web browsers, and allow you to do more basic functions such as Word and basic Excel.

        • XanderYuan on 23/09/2018 - 07:49
          +1

          Far from perfect
          “The bad The Pentium processor isn't suited for all tasks. A keyboard cover is a must-have add-on but still sold separately. And you'll probably want to pay extra for more storage and RAM, too. Battery life is lacking for a go-anywhere PC.”
          https://www.cnet.com/reviews/microsoft-surface-go-review/
          It’s abs horrible performance and they sell it for $1k??? Adding the keyboard cost.
          Heaps of good alternatives for the price

          • hibijibis on 13/10/2018 - 20:50

            @XanderYuan: hi i'm looking for a 500g portable pc too. which alternatives should i be looking at.

            • XanderYuan on 14/10/2018 - 14:41

              @hibijibis: Anything but this? Anything that has m3-m7 no fan, if you add on the type cover it’s not 500g anymore

      • SuperSonic on 22/09/2018 - 17:30
        -2

        well better to buy an ipad then

        • dissin on 22/09/2018 - 20:21

          IPad = content consumption device

        • garage sale on 23/09/2018 - 04:51

          @dissin: if you don’t have a real keyboard you are
          omitted in what content you can create, if you are checking emails and looking at presses you get outlook, word for free on ipad ….i have an ipad as tablet and windows laptop if i need mobility and will be creating content.

  • NeoBeum on 22/09/2018 - 17:11
    +3

    wait for the LTE eSIM model

    • u3g32 on 22/09/2018 - 20:45

      waiting for the SIM model - hopefully the new version doesn't have all the LTE problems the old surface 3 LTE does!

      • NeoBeum on 24/09/2018 - 18:35

        I bought an ASUS T103HA, but without LTE. I took a gamble importing from USA, and thought.. if it comes with LTE, bonus, if not then it makes sense why it was cheap.
        Im not sure if it will get released for AU/NZ.
        I downgraded from a T304UA that I RMA'd for shitty drivers.
        Now I have double the battery life and in comparison to the Surface Go, I have a Pen and Dock, all for $525.

        also mobile carrier support would be an issue .. limited non-iWatch services

  • WaveZero on 22/09/2018 - 19:46

    You can get another extra 5% off the price if you have a Macquarie card using the 5% off Harvey Norman Gift card. The price comes to $710.6 after the 5% off.

    • paloverde88 on 22/09/2018 - 20:30
      -2

      what Macquarie? Macquarie Bank, Macquarie University or Mrs Macquarie's Chair?

      • WaveZero on 22/09/2018 - 20:52

        Macquarie bank.

  • aff on 22/09/2018 - 20:18

    Got one at JB for $747 last week, apparently that was the lowest they can do. Alcantara cover was on the JB commercial website for $165, so they were able to match that. I TRS'ed so I didn't bother with the Cover form Catch, think they had it there for 140ish.

    • bibimbap on 22/09/2018 - 20:48

      Does JB price match with Catch.com.au?

  • jasswolf on 22/09/2018 - 20:26
    +1

    At least the initial Windows on ARM releases had battery life going for them… this is rolling a turd in glitter.

    Keep an eye out for the Snapdragon 850 and future models, though the starting point might be $1300 unless one of the manufacturers steps down from the premium finish the business premium finish they keep angling for with Qualcomm's hardware.

    • garage sale on 23/09/2018 - 04:56
      -3

      snapdragon will run android ……. intel runs windows 10, windows 10 can run full office365 apps, android won’t, only runs cut down mobile versions of word, excel, outlook.

      • Plasma on 23/09/2018 - 05:20
        +2

        There is a Hp Envy X2 that runs Windows 10 on a Snapdragon 835 - don't think it ever hit the AU market though

        • jasswolf on 23/09/2018 - 07:23

          ASUS and Lenovo also pushed out units, but it seems the HP model was the only one to hit our market.

          The 850 (an overclocked 845) should see a wider release, but the first model starts at US$849.

        • eug on 23/09/2018 - 09:02

          There is a Hp Envy X2 that runs Windows 10 on a Snapdragon 835 - don't think it ever hit the AU market though

          I had a quick play with it at Harvey. It seemed a bit sluggish. The whole point of getting a Windows tablet is to run x86 apps, and from what I've read, x86 emulation isn't perfect, and there is no support for x64 apps.

          So right now I probably wouldn't consider an ARM windows tablet,at least for my usage. It could suit some people,but if it's the same price as a Surface Go, might as well get that.

        • jasswolf on 23/09/2018 - 10:36

          @eug: the increased ease of ARM64 recompile for both x86 and x64 should smooth this over, plus the extra 25% performance from the new chip.

          Should prove to be an excellent alternative from 2019 onwards.

        • eug on 23/09/2018 - 17:40

          @jasswolf:

          the increased ease of ARM64 recompile for both x86 and x64 should smooth this ove

          That's assuming all the devs of all the random apps I would use would bother recompiling their apps to support a platform that has barely any users at the moment.

          Should prove to be an excellent alternative from 2019 onwards.

          Dunno about that, the Snapdragon 1000 is rumoured to be 12 watts which is really close to Intel's U series 15W TDP. If power consumption is nearly the same, what is the point in going ARM?

        • jasswolf on 23/09/2018 - 17:54

          @eug: Because there'll still be the <5W TDP variety? Plus, I still assume that ARM will outmatch Intel for efficiency via the A55 cores (or whatever the 7nm version is).

          Anyone that's bothering with UWP will bother with ARM recompiling, so that's a lot of major app support over time. Will be interesting to see if it can dual-boot something like Chromium as well.

        • eug on 23/09/2018 - 18:17

          @jasswolf:

          Because there'll still be the <5W TDP variety

          The reviews of the current Snapdragon-based HP Envy x2 aren't favorable in terms of performance, and that's a <5W design. They're going to have to greatly improve performance per watt for it to be attractive.

          I still assume that ARM will outmatch Intel for efficiency via the A55 cores (or whatever the 7nm version is).

          Even taking into account x86 emulation overhead? Microsoft has tried to push devs into making native ARM apps, and we all know what happened to Windows RT. So unless somehow everyone starts buying ARM laptops, I don't think devs are going to bother with native ARM apps again. Looking at the price of the only ARM laptop/tablet around at the moment, I'd be surprised if they sell in any significant amount.

          Qualcomm made the Snapdragon 1000 for a reason - to compete in the Windows space. If they thought their <5W TDP SoCs were adequate, why would they bother making the SD1000? And if the 12W reports are accurate, is there still a compelling reason to get an ARM laptop and deal with emulation overhead or possible compatibility issues and unknown future x64 compatibility?

          Anyone that's bothering with UWP will bother with ARM recompiling, so that's a lot of major app support over time.

          Hmm, I wonder how the Windows store is going. I don't use it much myself, but I do wonder if the general public have fully embraced it.

        • jasswolf on 23/09/2018 - 19:36

          @eug:

          The reviews of the current Snapdragon-based HP Envy x2 aren't favorable in terms of performance, and that's a <5W design. They're going to have to greatly improve performance per watt for it to be attractive.

          The Snapdragon 850 (aka a higher-binned and clocked 845) is this year's tech, offering a 25% boost. The 855-equivalent should offer at least a 35% further improvement.

          So when you're rolling with ARM-compiled apps, the 835 is like a 14nm Core m3, while the 855 should be like a core m3 while emulating.

          Even taking into account x86 emulation overhead?

          This is actually something of a misnomer, because in terms of performance per watt, the emulation overhead is very low. I mean it's obviously close to half the usual performance from the chip, but when compared to Intel's effort at the same TDP range, it's extremely close (though no one's thankful for Pentium performance).

          So the problem isn't so much that it sucks, it's that x86 is relatively cumbersome for basic computing.

          Qualcomm made the Snapdragon 1000 for a reason - to compete in the Windows space. If they thought their <5W TDP SoCs were adequate, why would they bother making the SD1000?

          Because they can comfortably compete with Intel in both? The Y and U series from Intel basically cover the laptop market. ARM also compete in the server space.

          Keep in mind that if the chip size scales with the TDP, that represents 4 times the performance of the 835, or roughly the performance of the i5-8500T for ARM apps, and the i5-8250U for x86 performance and battery life.

          Looking at the price

          Yeah, the Envy x2 barely trickled in here, and that's the maximum spec model. I've seen them drop that to $1700 before, but it's only on special order now. Modern first generation tech seems to almost be about making money off a prototype, unfortunately.

          Hmm, I wonder how the Windows store is going. I don't use it much myself, but I do wonder if the general public have fully embraced it.

          I've noticed more major programs are trying to direct me there, so the medium-to-large dev teams obviously appreciate the UWP changes.

        • jasswolf on 23/09/2018 - 21:26

          @jasswolf: Sorry, that should be an i7-8700T, not an i5-8500T…

        • eug on 23/09/2018 - 23:00
          +1

          @jasswolf:

          The 855-equivalent should offer at least a 35% further improvement.

          I suppose time will tell. Specs on paper is one thing, real-life use could be different.

          So when you're rolling with ARM-compiled apps

          Yeah, once again assuming all apps that users want to use are native ARM apps. In Microsoft's perfect world, that would be easy - everyone downloads everything from the store, all devs make sure they follow Microsoft's recommended coding practices 100% which should ensure that everything will work fine on ARM, and that's that. But that's not reality at the moment, and is quite an uphill battle for MS IMHO.

          Because they can comfortably compete with Intel in both?

          Hmm, how comfortably? Right now when it comes with laptops, we undeniably live in an x86/x64 world. Virtually every Windows app at the moment is compiled for x86/x64. Some have ARM versions, but not all. All devices must have ARM64 drivers as well - x86 drivers will not work. They're already at a large disadvantage out of the gate.

          ARM is clearly trying to compete with Intel with their SD 1000, but I think it looks far from comfortable right now. Every x86 Windows app in the world will run faster on an Intel processor and have none of the limitations that emulated x86 does. All drivers for everything will work on an x86 machine, but that 4 year old multifunction printer at home might not work on an ARM machine as HP probably won't bother making ARM drivers for it. A Garmin GPS might not sync with the Garmin Connect website because the Chrome plugin only runs on x86. Chrome itself will be slower as well since there is no ARM version. There is no support for x64 apps, so you can't run memory-hungry apps like Photoshop optimally. Games that require OpenGL <1.1 or hardware-accelerated OpenGL won't work, as of earlier this year anyway.

          There are so many hurdles that I really don't think Qualcomm can comfortably compete with Intel in any way, the way things are going. It's not impossible, but it's going to take a lot more than the really poor push they're doing at the moment. Unless they do something that gives the consumer a compelling reason to buy an ARM laptop, they're just going to end up being another Windows RT.

          Yeah, the Envy x2 barely trickled in here, and that's the maximum spec model. I've seen them drop that to $1700 before, but it's only on special order now.

          That's why I don't think they will succeed at the rate they're going now. With the offerings available so far, there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to pick an ARM device that has so many limitations over e.g. a Surface Pro which is faster and works with everything at the same price point or less, not to mention the existence of even more powerful, cheaper devices from Lenovo and others.

          Intel and AMD aren't just going to sit idle either - they're going to keep improving their efficiency.

          Summary:
          - The vast majority of apps in existence do not run natively on ARM. That's probably the biggest hurdle.
          - x86 apps on ARM are slower than x86 running natively.
          - Devices will require ARM-specific drivers - no x86 driver will run on ARM.
          - In an all-ARM world battery life should be better than x86, but we are not there yet.
          - The first ARM tablet introduced here is extremely expensive and offers poorer performance and many limitations compared to cheaper x86 devices.
          - Consumers have no compelling reason to pick an ARM device right now, which means developers will be less inclined to spend more money on extra testing to ensure their software runs properly on ARM, which contributes to the first point.

          Maybe if manufacturers started selling reasonably-priced ARM devices, the limitations would be more acceptable. I'm surprised HP released such an expensive, limited device as the introduction to a new platform.

  • Migster1965 on 22/09/2018 - 21:50
    -1

    They are on special because Microsoft is refreshing the surface line on 2 October so most of these will be updated but still perfectly usable.

    • damnable on 22/09/2018 - 22:45
      +1

      The Go line has only just been released.

      • rainbowyen on 22/09/2018 - 22:49

        I think they will add lte model to it

        • garage sale on 23/09/2018 - 05:01

          not so cheap by the time you add the keyboard and pen if you want to use for content creation.
          i know we were big on surface at work but that was because work was paying for it and people liked that they were light and easy to take home , but by the time we added the keyboard, pen and a real screen for when at desk to create content it wasn’t cheap.

          i went with full blown laptop and ipad as the offering at work and loaded office outlook on the ipad for emails.

        • Maz78 on 23/09/2018 - 11:21

          @garage sale:

          Still far cheaper than an iPad with pen and accessories. (If all you're doing is real office work)

          They keep spending $2k+ at my work for people to have iPad Pros with pen and keyboard. FFS, all they do is use Email/Outlook and review documents. Such a waste of money when a surface can fulfill that need and more at 1/2 the cost.

        • NeoBeum on 24/09/2018 - 18:44

          @garage sale: mentioned a asus t103ha above post.. pen, dock, cherry-trail z8350, 4gb ddr3, 64gb
          $525

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