Help! Body Corporate Banned Woolies/Coles Deliveries to Door - Can They Do This? UPDATE (resolved!)

Ok I'm so mad right now….hoping the wise counsel of OzBargainers can come through for me.

Background: I rent an apartment in a luxury high rise apartment building. The building is inhabited by a lot of wealthy owner occupier retirees who have nothing better to do with their time than enjoying ruling over their fiefdom. Usually I just ignore their pettiness because I'm too busy working hard to pay my expensive rent and the location and quality of my apartment outweighs moving.

Current situation:
A few months back, the body corporate created a rule that no takeaway food delivery drivers (eg. Uber eats) were allowed past the ground foyer 24 hour concierge desk. We were instructed that we would have to come down and collect all orders instead of them being allowed to our apartment door. This was done in the name of "security". This pissed me off, but since I don't order food too often, I sucked it up and went with it.

One thing I do order online for delivery is Woolworths grocery orders. At the time however, we were told these were excluded from the rules.

Switch to today….I am at home on parental leave with my newborn baby, sleep deprived and my baby is not well. Woolworths order arrives. I buzz them up. On the way my driver gets abused by a neighbour on my floor (who I've never met). He is told he is not allowed up to make deliveries. i call the concierge immediately and they tell me the body corporate have just expanded the No Door Delivery Rule to include Coles and Woolworths orders. I tell him I can't collect the orders from downstairs because a) I can't lift the orders myself and b) I have a newborn baby so totally impractical for me to leave my apartment.

He tells me to contact the building manager but says there is nothing he can do.

I find out from him the apartment number of the neighbour who complained about me.

SO I'm obviously fuming but decide to take a deep breath before confronting my neighbour and sending an abusive email to the building manager.

What is the sensible way to deal with this? I order from Woolworths weekly. Can body corporates make rules like this? It's not in my rental agreement? Can I fight it?

TL;DR Body corporate of my luxury high rise apartment building where I rent has banned woolworths delivery drivers from delivering groceries to the doors of apartments. At home with newborn baby so can't collect from the lobby every time I order. Can I fight this?

UPDATE
As per PizzaBoy's advice (thank you!) I wrote to the building manager requesting documentation of this new " rule". I also added some commentary around my current newborn situation and requested a solution. Also put a few light references to my current physical "disability" (total truth as I have back problems now as a result of pregnancy/birth) because as per some comments on this thread suggested, there must be a potential discrimination case there too.

He came back with zero documentation and completely ignored that question - PizzaBoy originally suggested to me that it is highly doubtful they actually have this rule legally documented and binding. I suspect this is indeed correct!

He then proceeded to say he would grant me an "exception to the rule" and inform concierge that all grocery orders are to be allowed up to my door!

So massive win, though am still concerned about neighbours going off at my drivers but I figure if it happens again, I'll ask the building manager to deal with it since he granted the exception.

A big thank you to PizzaBoy who taught me to always ask for things in writing! And to everyone in this thread for your encouraging (and sometimes hilarious) ideas on how to respond. Rest assured if my exception is removed at any point I'll be taking a squeaky trolley down there, blocking the lifts and leaving groceries all over the lobby floor - all supported by a crying baby!

Comments

    • +1

      But we're talking police checked Coles and woolies drivers who have trackers on them so people know where they are 24/7. Im struggling to see a genuine security risk,

      • I have trouble believing they can't be impersonated. This is not a security job with a known secure identification system that can be checked.

        I'm very surprised that they were even allowed previously for a 'security' building.

        I'm sorry for your situation though. But a security building with concierge is exactly that a security building.
        I remember when visiting my mates in a security building, the concierge would buzz him and he would come down to get us.

        The other issue is where does it stop… anyone just claiming they're there to do a service? I don't think your concierge would/could be trained well enough to identify fraudulent people.

        As others has suggested might want to ask for an exemption.

    • The same can be said about anyone else that a residence choose to buzz in, be it a friend/ relative, a tradie or someone who's coming over to pick up an item you sold on gumtree. They are going through the common property so that they could get to my space. I believe that there is already a rule in most by-laws that says a resident is responsible for any damage that their visitor caused to the common property.

    • Found one of the whingers at OPs apartment building.

  • I wonder how parents survived for decades before home delivery became a thing. Sure it's annoying but really pretty easy to resolve with some critical thinking.

    • +1

      There were less single parents and people tend to live closer to relatives etc in the old days

    • +1

      Yes, how did those parents of yesteryear survive for decades:
      in a single income family;
      one income could easily cover a mortgage in a reasonable location;
      housewife home all day to tend to the kids and chores;
      adults and children could attend uni for free;
      farmers weren't raped by the megacorp retailers;
      milk delivered daily;
      attendants would fuel your car for you;
      staff would open doors and take your luggage for you;
      good ol' Jimmy McCommon, the youngest son of the family down the street and dedicated employee at the greengrocers around the corner, would eagerly assist you walk the groceries all the way home for a threepence.

      Surely we could just go back to those glory days with some critical thinking.

  • +1

    It is an apartment luxury or not people live there expect to see strangers in those shared areas as long as they are allowed to enter the property by one of the tenants there? What is the next ban? Only registered visitors are allowed?

  • +1

    when you live in apartments or other strata tittle properties you LOOSE so many of your rights. Then your life can be made hell by other arseholes living with in the same development and if the arsehole gets support from others to complain about you YOU ARE GUILTY TILL YOU PROVE YOUR SELF INNOCENT. like with the Banks and so many other things we do not receive protection. And under the bad strata title laws body corporate's can make rules that take away your writes as an owner and a person and some of the rules any where else would be breaking the law. But then having services like Silver Chain coming and being able to go direct to apartments is as much a security risk as your groceries being delivered to your door.

    • Well said.

      I'd like to try to argue that the apartment cleaners the oldies employ are a security risk. I'm sure some of them give their cleaners a key to clean when they are not home!

      • You are right there and that is interesting that, that is allowed. Should have mentioned that in your topic.

        As that means that your building isn't really that much of a security building, and that woolies and coles deliveries should be allowed as well

    • +1

      Agreed. That's why after living in apartments for years I moved faaaaar out of the city and bought a house. Gonna whack a gate up and everybody can (profanity) off and not enforce stupid OC laws.

  • Can’t be that luxurious if you’re not allowed deliveries. I practically live in a cardboard box and I consider home delivery a standard practice

    • Its a security building with 24hr concierge, typically no one that isnt accompanied by the owner is allowed in.

      Its interesting that the deliveries was before, but just now the op has mentioned cleaners are allowed too… so not that much of a security building

  • The problem is we live in a nanny state, hence why body corporates have too much power… i.e. AirBnB changes.

  • +1

    Are meals on wheels also banned?
    What if a resident had a disability that prevented them from complying with the new rule?

    • +2

      That would possibly be unlawful ‘indirect discrimination’.

      OP you could do some research on indirect discrimintion. The ground being your physical impairment ie temporary incapacity having just given birth and can’t lift. The discrimination being imposing a condition that you and others with physical impairments can’t comply with.

      • Yea as if racism sexism discrimination hasn't been pushed far enough. Let's dilute it by classifying giving birth as some sort of disability.

        • +2

          The Disability Discrimination Act covers people who have temporary and permanent disabilities; physical, intellectual, sensory, neurological, learning and psychosocial disabilities; diseases or illnesses; physical disfigurement; medical conditions and work-related injuries

          Like I said just something to research

          Edit - to be clear I’m referring to the temporary incapacity to lift and carry shopping

      • That would only apply to people that have a real disability. This situation is not one of them.

        • The Disability Discrimination Act covers people who have temporary and permanent disabilities; physical, intellectual, sensory, neurological, learning and psychosocial disabilities; diseases or illnesses; physical disfigurement; medical conditions and work-related injuries

          Like I said just something to research

          Edit - to be clear I’m referring to the temporary incapacity to lift and carry shopping

        • username checks out

  • +2

    First thing I’d do, is superglue your neighbours locks. Well not really superglue, moreso “he is going to have to replace these locks because this shit is NEVER coming off even with Acetone.” Not the Bunnings stuff, go to your lock specialist adhesives place.
    When self important cocks like your neighbour try and pull stuff like this is usually when they get more than they bargained for.

  • If you have a balcony. Use this

  • +1

    my daughter has a disability and has her weekly groceries and meals delivered - I dare the Body Corp/Strata to tell her it's not allowed.

    • They can't stop that if she has a genuine disability. Unlike being a new parent.

      • It depends on the disability.

        https://imgur.com/gallery/tkHw4Wg

      • +1

        sure, however the building where the OP lives has put in a blanket ban on delivery people. Something like that is not possible. TBH there is no reason why a new mum shouldn't be able to get things delivered, those first 6-9 months is a hell of a time for everyone to adjust and get used to things so all the help possible is welcome.

  • +13

    Congratulations on your new baby. Things get better :)

    Sometimes the baby will cry non-stop and there's almost nothing you can do about it.
    Not hungry, not poopy, not tired.
    When this happens, pop the bub in the pram, and walk up and down outside the neighbour's house.
    When asked what you're doing, "waiting for the Wollworths delivery guy!".

    Enjoy ;)

    • LUL

    • Fantastic suggestion, lol!

  • i live in an ok house in an ok neighborhood. no body tells me what to do. coles can can delivery straight to my fridge if he wants.

  • If the reasoning is for security purposes then it is actually reasonable if you think about it. People living there may have had bad experiences in the past or previous breakins.

    The most reasonable middle ground is to see if you can sway the body corporate to allow them up if they are attended by the person and directly escorted up by the person they are delivering to. This would be the most feasible middle ground.

    • +1

      The most reasonable middle ground is tenants install alarm systems and the building installs cameras so the person who stands at the counter and does little else all day, can watch visitors only go where they're supposed to - instead of inconveniencing people who pay rent to live with some peace.

  • +1

    As another poster has said. Check the meeting minutes that state no woolworths deliveries. If it doesnt say that, or vaguely says it, meaning it can be argued, argue it. Say it's not specifically written that woolies is banned. And a it would need to be voted for by the majority of owners. THis is usually too cumbersome to pass.

  • Next they'll be banning the buzzing-in of friends that visit. This is exactly why I will never live in a multi-tenant property again. And renting one is one thing, but why someone would BUY one is beyond me… They're often no cheaper than a stand alone house, you have to pay extra strata fees who rarely do anything sensible, are forced to wait weeks for strata meetings to beg permission from every other tenant in the building to paint or fit a light inside your OWN HOME, and have to deal with nonsense from control freaks as seen in this thread.

  • +1

    Passive aggressive approach …

    Get everyone in the building whom is against the policy to start wearing woolies style hi-vis clothing whenever they bring their groceries in to the building. Every time someone berates them that they are not allowed to be in the building - make a very loud scene that they live in the building and how dare they challenge them. Take photos of them etc and state you are going to contact the newspaper and media organisations.

    Soon nobody in the building will be willing to challenge anyone

    • The problem with this is, most people are too lazy to bother. What I don't get is, what about someone that's disabled? Are they supposed to come downstairs every single time. I'd be instructing WW to just walk in with headphones on and walk straight past them - ignore them entirely - don't even engage/speak to anyone whining about not going in. By the time the cops turn up they'll be gone.

      The other option is mentioned a bit above… cleaners are allowed and they have far more time on their hands to try to break in, compared to a WW delivery driver. I'd be going to one of those stupid strata meetings and hitting them full-force with their hypocrisy. (Actually, I never would have moved there in the first place. I'd rather buy a campervan than pay rent to be dictated to by control freaks, who wants rules that all suit them, while excusing themselves.)

  • +1

    After reading all of this I was wondering how parents would do their shopping before online shopping ever exist.🤔🤔🤔

    • +2

      The days where housing was affordable, people sympathetic, and not both parents had to work? Yes, I wonder too.

      • Would you kindly point me to the law that requires both parents to work?
        I was not aware that was a requirement.
        Some people choose to have two incomes. Some don't. Both deal with the consequences of their choices - but one group seems to complain more about those consequences…

    • Apartment living makes it harder.

    • Some people live in a city their entire life like rats in a cage and don't need a car. Even with one, who wants to be going up and down in an elevator - or worse - stairs, 4x or more times with grocery bags cutting into your fingers, and/or escorting a trolley you keep in the garage specifically for this purpose (that they're probably also going to whinge about) up in the elevator, down hallways, then returning and securing it downstairs again - when the supermarket will bring them to the door and then leave in one step. Or some may be elderly or disabled. Expecting everyone to come to the foyer is just arrogant nonsense. And imagine the 'true ozbargainer' who buys bulk meat when it's on sale. Up/down/up/down/up/down… The point is you don't pay rent to have your life made difficult or miserable, while some other fool gets everything they want excused (like the cleaners mentioned above who are a far greater risk than a delivery guy on a timetable who will lose his job trying to pick a lock and then what… carry out a huge TV!?). If they're truly that concerned, it should be mandatory that apartment owners must get their own alarm system, and the building fitted with cameras with a huge TV on display in the foyer that visitors see cycling through the hallways, so they know building staff are watching them.

  • +4

    JUSTICE!

  • +1

    I just read this thread and this made my day, thanks

    Rest assured if my exception is removed at any point I'll be taking a squeaky trolley down there, blocking the lifts and leaving groceries all over the lobby floor - all supported by a crying baby!

    Yes toddler and baby can do that

  • +2

    As someone who runs a body corporate there's no way this will hold up. It's very difficult to stop residents and tenants that are actually doing things that negatively impact others. Since accepting deliveries of a reasonable size doesn't in any way negatively impact others they're going to find the rule is unenforceable, you're allowed to invite whoever you want into your home unless they're making noise etc that impacts others. Hell, it's nigh on impossible to even stop someone keeping pets provided they're not making noise etc.

    The rule would have to apply equally to anyone without a key, any guest, any friend etc, would have to be escorted. They can't just single out people who happen to have deliveries.

  • +1

    burn down the building and move on

    • LOL. Borrow a small dog or cat. Smuggle it in. Have it do its mess right in front of the person's doorway who whinged (but you can bet gets a bunch of things that suit only THEM). Go to the body corporate meeting and support that fool as they scream for cameras for staff to monitor the hallways. Next meeting go off your nut and get this stupid rule overturned because it's unnecessary now that they have cameras for foyer staff to watch the delivery people - and demand if they don't use it for that purpose that ALL visitors not actual tenants - cleaners, friends, relatives, or anyone else - requires the same annoying trip to the foyer - that the rule should be consistent, or non-existent.

  • So uh… did pizzaboy get a "tip" for delivering the "pizzas"?

    • +6

      I only deliver sausage pizza to one woman. Nice try, wife.

  • Fight them in court or go to the tenants tribunal?

  • +1

    never again will i live in an apartment or unit or townhouse.. :) strata is the same as rent… you have no rights and you are impacted by others whims.. i do whatever i want at my house and screw paying strata fees OMG they were half my mortgage payments!

    • If everyone thinks this Sydney will run out of land

      • -1

        Good. Then we won't all be packed into cities like rats in a cage, like the control freaks in government want so they can control everyone.

  • +4

    Congratulations on getting this sorted!!! Well done on seeking advice and ignoring those who told you that there was nothing to be done - it turns out that was bad advice. To whip your body corporate into better behaviour, follow up on the ruling regarding deliveries - asking to see documentation how it was voted on etc. Most institutions only behave as well as they are forced to do so.

  • -4

    It's amazing how speaking to the body corporate somehow resolved your issue! Who would have thought?

  • Well done and go you for taking it further and ignoring the naysayers. I feel a bit sorry for the building manager having to enforce the rules of perpetually grumpy people!

  • Is it just me or is this a massive warning telling people don't buy into a unit complex.

    • Pros and cons of everything I guess. But agree, I wouldn't go back to a body corporate situation if I had a choice. My mum's block (in a good area) saw many 2-3 bedroom apartments hosting 10-12 people, taking shifts when sleeping, which hurt especially when the water bill for the entire block was apportioned by the number of bedrooms in the apartment.

  • Little late, but Im curious what you're/op are paying or rent

    Self stated luxury building,
    24hr concierge, tells me this would be 800+ easy, if not 1000+

    But the fact that previously deliveries and currently cleaners can come and go, has me puzzled at what kind o a building this is.

  • Glad to hear it's resolved OP. Congrats!

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