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2.6kg CO2 Gas Cylinder Filled with Gas for $69 ($20 Discount in Cart) - Use with Sodastream etc @ Kegland

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Here's a deal for the more inventive among you.

2.6KG Gas Cylinder filled with carbon dioxide. Just what the hell would you do with a cylinder full of CO2 you ask?

Well, there are many uses. You could hook it up to a piece of pipe and use it to shoot off projectiles (paintball works this way). You could make an attachment to join it to aerosol cans, and allow you to fill them back up so you didn't have to waste that last little bit left inside. Or you could connect a lance directly to the tank, and use the whole thing as an extra large air duster.

There are many uses if you're creative enough, but for most consumers there are two big ones: Dispensing beer out of a keg, and making drinks fizzy.

We're going to concentrate here on the second one: making drinks fizzy


Option 1 (Already have a Sodastream)

Buy this for $48
It will go from the gas tank directly to your sodastream, and you won't need to do anything else. Super simple.

If you don't have a sodastream, you can by a knockoff from Spotlight. They have them on clearance for $39 currently
Note: according to post here there may be issues using sodaking

Total Cost including gas cylinder: $117 plus postage ($156 if you need to buy the sodaking)


Option 2 (Starting fresh)

This is a little trickier, but more flexible. You can carbonate to whatever pressure you want, making drinks extra fizzy or only slightly fizzy as your tastes demand. It also allows you to carbonate 2L Coke bottles directly, which in my mind is much better.

You will need the following items
Regulator - $40. Needed to reduce the pressure to working level.
Plastic tube - $12. 12 meters long so plenty of line if you want to hide the gas bottle somewhere else out of the way.
Clamps - 70c each (3 needed)
Ball lock $2.60. Joins the gas line to the carbonation cap
Carbonation cap $8.90. This beauty is the key to the whole process. It allows you join your carbonation setup directly to a standard soft drink bottle, which has a very unique and hard to match thread, and pressure it with gas.

Total cost including gas cylinder: $134.60 plus shipping.


Given that Kmart exchanges sodastream gas cylinders, and each cyclinder contains 400g gas carbonating 60L of soda water, this tank is equivalent to 6.5 refills. At $19 a refill, thats $123.50 for the gas alone. Where this really saves money is on the second refill. To refill a 2.6KG tank, most places charge $25-$30. That's $30 for the ability to drink a litre of soft drink every day, for a whole year. Not recommended, will probably kill you, but damn if that isn't a cheap way to do it.

Postage
Kegland is based in Melbourne, so postage rates vary. For me (melb) it was $12 for the cylinder alone. For Sydney it goes up to $18.

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  • +7

    Some other considerations I didn’t want contaminating the main post:

    • Safety – there are dangers around doing this. The pressure of the gas in the tank is very high, which can cause injury and sent things flying as projectiles if it is released uncontrollably. Then there’s the gas itself which is heavier than air and will asphyxiate if it fills up a room. This isn’t too big an issue for adults as you’ll feel the sensation of not being able to breathe and run outside, but for babies it would be lethal.

    • Even at normal price this is very cheap. Most places charge $120 at the cheapest. Check carnyturbo’s post for an idea of what things were like only a year ago.

    • Not all gas dispensers will refill these. No idea why. Check this map to see if there is an approved refiller near you.

    • For heavy users, they may want to wait until the 6KG is back in stock. 2.3x the capacity for an extra $30+ shipping costs is pretty good

    • I linked to the easier to use clamps to keep things simple, but kegland actually recommend using these for a better seal. You will need a tool to crimp it though. Bunnings sells these that should do the trick for $17

    • You can buy gas regulators cheaper on ebay, in the order of $20, but I don’t know how much faith you want to put in something like that.
      The regulator I listed only seems to be specified for up to 50psi. This is more than fine for soft drinks, but for other uses might not be enough.

    • Check this map(kegland.com.au) to see if there is an approved refiller near you.

      It looks like there's nothing in or near the ACT. Does anyone know if there is a place in Canberra that will refill KL bottles?

  • +5

    Just what the hell would you do with a cylinder full of CO2 you ask?

    Photosynthesis !!!

    • +1

      You can have your own cabon capture & storage.

      • +3

        Grow plants with C02. Make paper bags with plants. Bury paper bags once used, so that the sequestered C02 is put back into the ground as a source of carbon rather than the air as a greenhouse gas.

        I just solved the disposable plastic bag problem.

        • I just solved the disposable plastic bag problem

          Yeah nah.

          Paper bags are crap at carrying groceries, especially cold stuff.

        • @D C:

          Use 10. Problem solved!

        • @D C:
          You do realise plastic grocery bags are fairly recent. Brown paper bags were the standard for decades.

          100% biodegradable. Some issues with damp items, but these were often double bagged. Keeps frozen stuff colder too.

    • +1

      Scuba pranks.

    • @jv Grow pot for medicinal purposes under license, to help the suffering children.

  • +1

    Nice post OP! Any chance you could do a similar cost-effective OZB-style guide to CO2 diffusing in aquarium tanks? I’ve got a 20gallon/75 Litre for reference..

  • +3

    Bought one at brewcraft $200, ripoffcraft

  • +3

    You could ship this to the UK to help with the crumpet crisis. It's a good cause.

  • +2

    $137 for the gas and the Sodastream adapter shipped.
    Kinda hard to justify but it would be nice to not run out of gas all the time.

  • +3

    I bought the 6kg earlier in the year (from kegland) to use with a freedomOne sodastream hose. This is a no brainier if you use a sodastream.

    Here are the metrics;

    Refilling my 6kg cylinder costs $40

    It takes 8 grames of co2 to carbonate 1 litre bottle of water (to the first buzz).

    Therefore it costs 50 cents per litre with sodastream refills but on 5 cents with my large cylinder.

    Not to mention you get 750 bottles (or about 1300 smaller bottles) without having to change tanks.

    • +2

      Hmmm… 5c a litre. At that price for $10 you could bathe in fizzy water

      • There's a thought, but it would be damn cold.

        • +3

          You never turn off the hot water in the shower for a few seconds towards the end to wake up in the morning?

          This would be like that, with bubbles. I'm putting it onto the bucket list.

        • +1

          @c0balt:

          You never turn off the hot water in the shower for a few seconds to wake up in the morning?

          Never!

        • +8

          @ash2000:

          Oh man you don't know what you're missing out on!

          I've never done meth, but after I shut off the hot water the furious thrashing followed by swearing and feeling as alert as though I've had 5 red bulls is what I imagine wouldn't be too far off it.

        • Sodastream noob here - are you supposed to stop at 1st buzz or 3rd buzz?

          Edit: according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aWgsqFD46k, 3 button presses until you hear the buzz each time?

        • @Stix: I always do 3rd buzz as I like it super fizzy.

        • @Stix:

          One to three buzzes depending on preference. I can't tell much between one and three.

          3 buzzes uses about 11g / litre.

        • @ash2000: Thanks. With 3 button presses or just one, or doesn't matter?

        • @Stix:

          I just hold the button down until I hear a buzz.

          If you were to use the short press method, yes it will be three short presses to reach the first buzz. Then one additional short press to hear the 2nd and 3rd buzz.

        • @ash2000: Thanks

        • @Stix:

          That all said if you are looking at buying a machine don't get an old screw in model (like is seen in the video) , get a newer click in model…..although at $40 the spotlight (screw) model is a bargain.

        • @ash2000: Already have a Jet. Are the click in machines better?

        • @c0balt: I thought when you turn on your tap, cold water comes first no ? not enough to wake you up…

        • @Stix:

          Just easier to insert bottle. No screwing required. Not worth upgrading to though if you have a jet.

        • @dlovep:

          No not at the start - do it towards the end after a hot shower once your body has got used to the relaxing hot water. It's a super shock to the system when you shut off the hot water and only have cold water on hot skin.

        • +1

          @c0balt:

          after I shut off the hot water the furious thrashing

          lol…I thought I was the only one who did that. I like to pretend I'm being tortured.. but I'll never give them the information they're looking for!

        • +2

          @outlander:

          I couldn't imagine not flailing around as it happens, it makes it all the more manageable.

          Funny that you have to imagine you're being tortured. I count down from 15 swearing in between every 2nd number and must get to 0 like my life depends on it.

          Coping mechanisms, lol!

        • @c0balt: Just eat a jar of pickles an hour before you run your bath mate.

  • +2

    Awesome price but can be a bit of a pain to refill depending where you are as per the OP stated not all places refill these. Main reason, undercutting.

    I wanted to fill mine up (have the exact same model as posted) at a Brewery store, I wont mention the name but they refused. I asked why and they said they are being undercut by KegLand for the purchase price of the CO2 bottle and wont refill them.

    My Keg On Legs seem to be the easiest to handle as it is a swap and go system.

    If you are in an area where you can get these refilled this is a real bargain.

    • Wow surprised they didn’t even try to pretend it’s for “safety” reasons. What do they gain from not refilling it? Did they try to sell you a new bottle? Why not just refill it and make a few bucks?

      • They were quite frank with it saying that they were being undercut for the sale price. Everything on the bottle is above board with all stamps and safety labels on it so I think they knew they didn't have a leg to stand on so they just told the truth, which I respect. I just find it unusual that they have a customer wanting to pay them money for a service and not wanting to make a sale.

  • +1

    I did the first option as the missus is hooked on bubbly water. I bought the cylinder & hose. The inly bugga was the local homebrew shop ran out of 2.6kg exchanges when i needed one and others wanted $35-$50 to exchange, so I bought the 6kg bottle for $99 (off these guys). i now have a spare & can swap 6kg for $50. It worked out ~5c/lt, We go through ~3lt/day. So paid for itself fairly quickly

  • +2
    • +1

      Not available yet, but great price. Will get one when it comes in.

      Of course the other option for people wanting to refil 400g cylinders is to use dry ice. I've done this once. I Filled two bottles for $10.

      • Oh man thats super useful!
        Not keen on having an adaptor hose as mine is mounted in a tight space in my kitchen.

        • +1

          Only thing to consider when filling your own is that you need to tip everything upside down and hopefully have your sodastream canister as cold as possible.

        • @camel:
          Newbie question, how can you tell that you've filled the smaller bottle? Any danger in over filling it?

        • @cheepo:

          You can't tell (whilst your filing) how full it is, but you can't overfill.

  • +3

    I’m gonna be a nice guy and release the co2 into the atmosphere from their captivity

    • $2 worth of petrol will get you more c02. Bargain.

  • +2

    Will this give me extra HP in my Honda Civic?

  • Perhaps a silly question but does anybody know if these can filled at BOC Gas centres?

    • +1

      No. They only refil their own (actually they just swap).

      • Thanks. Called my local (before I saw your reply) and they confirmed the same.

        • The cost of swapping their bottles isn't very expensive, but the cost of renting their bottles is ludicrously high, which makes it uneconomical for low volume uses like sodastream.

          You can however buy dry ice from BOC and refil your bottles that way. More tedious though.

          https://youtu.be/l-a3pISQLQg

        • @ash2000: How much do they charge per kg?

        • @tunzafun001:

          I think it was $10 / KG. Take your own container, they just scoop it in. I ended up with 2.5 KG for the 1KG price.

          It's best to have at least 2 empty bottles to fill.

  • I have a couple of Tap King dispensers and it is likely to be a DIY project to me

  • but can it fill my road bike tyres

    • Yes! My co2 tank is currently outputting at 800psi (1100 in summer)….. Would make for a nice firm ride!

      • +1

        Perfect for a tubeless conversion.

  • +1

    Ball lock(kegland.com.au) $2.60

    No thanks. I prefer condom instead.

  • +3

    Putting bubbles water on tap is the best thing I ever did. Costs cents per glass, keeps the wife happy, saves plastic, means she doesn't complain about the other two taps pouring beer :)

    • +3

      Hot tap = cold beer
      Cold tap = colder beer.

      Not too crash hot for washing the dishes but that solved by eating dinner straight out of the pizza box.

  • What are the ripoff sodastreams like ?

    • Identical to the older screw in style sodastream machines. Same fittings.

  • +3

    Thanks for this post. I have been thinking about doing this for a long time.
    I finally pulled the trigger.

    I put some numbers into a spreadsheet. Factoring in all my costs. The Sodastream itself, adapter, keg, refills etc.

    https://i.imgur.com/wk0uISH.png

    Pretty damning to compare to buying bottled soda water at the shops.

  • +2

    Also useful for those who do CO2 injection into their aquariums.

  • +2

    Great effort with explaining what we can use it for!

  • what would you need to use this to fill the sodastreem gas bottles?

    that is if you don't want a huge tank sitting on the kitchen bench or tubing "plombed" in.

  • +1

    I am a 78kg cylinder filled with gas. Just ask my wife.

  • How much C02 would be required to dangerously fill an open kitchen/dining… area? Is it just the fact that it is heavier than air so will form a layer that could be lethal to babies and perhaps pets?

    • -1

      How much C02

      Above 5% would cause problems rather quickly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_poisoning

      The good (bad?) news is these only have about 4 litres inside, and considering a cubic square metre is 1000 litres it'll take a few to start causing major problems.

      • +1

        Thats 4 litres at 800~ psi. And its stored as a liquid.

      • +1

        As outlander said - that's 4 litres of compressed CO2.

        2.6kg of CO2 will actually take up 1441 litres at atmospheric pressure.

        2.6kg of CO2 = 2600g * (1mol/44g) = 59.09 mol of CO2
        V = nRT/P —— Volume = no. of moles * ideal gas constant * temperature (kelvin) / pressure (pascals)
        V = 59.09 * 8.314 * (24+273.15)/101325 = 1.441m^3

        so if it is 5% that starts to cause problems really quickly, as you say, - you'll actually hit that 5% in a room that is 28.8m^3 (which is probably the size of a small bedroom)

    • You can use this calculator to figure it out.
      Hint: The pressure is 1 atmosphere, and a mole of carbon dioxide weighs 44g so this cylinder contains 59 moles, and you're solving to find the volume all this gas would occupy if it was released into a closed room all at once displacing the existing air. The temperature is whatever your house is, typically 25c is used as the go to figure.

    • read my reply to DC

      if you're talking a smallish kitchen or room, then emptying an entire one of these bottles into it will probably approach dangerous levels quite quickly.

      his statement of 'only taking up 4 litres' is very wrong.

      and yes, CO2 will sink to the ground, if left undisturbed - but it will take a while for it to settle, and will be dispersed throughout the room when it goes off initially.

  • +4

    $27.30 for shipping to Perth, if anyone was curious.

  • This can also be used for welding not sure how long it would last.

  • +1

    I have a 6kg bottle for which I paid $175 new on Gumtree. So a bit more expensive than this but I would imagine that the refill will be cheaper.

  • +3

    Waiting for the NO2 deal to come live.

    • +1

      I think you mean N2O

      • N2H4 is where it’s at.

      • I think you mean NOS.

    • Also gonna need a deal on a really big balloon…

    • Trent?

  • Does anyone make their own mineral water using a sodastream?

    If I could DIY it would save big on $$, trips to shop and plastic bottle landfill

    • lol lots of people make soda water.

    • +1

      Well yes. I just drink straight sparkling water (aka soda water, seltzer ). Cold water carbonated.

      Commercial Mineral water is simply soda water with minerals added (mainly salt), or naturally extracted from ground water….. But mostly added to plain water.

      You can easily add these minerals to carbonated water and it would cost 10 cents/L, not to mention the effort saved in carting water home!

      https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.zliving.com/food/diy-miner…

      • yeah, they don't seem to much of a batch analysis of mineral water and composition ….as we often hear, farmers just sell water rights to bottlers and there isn't much done about the composition and why one is better than the other.

        depending how close it is to land fill or mine rehabilitation , etc probably doesn't make much difference, at least tap water is rigourouslly tested.

      • Awesome! Thanks for that link

  • -1

    They can use it euthanise sheep from live export before they throw them overboard … that will keep the critics quiet.

    How many neighbours pets can you euthanise with that much co2.

    humane, they won't struggle and less evidence than if you baited with poison.

    lots of uses.

    • +8

      This post seems to bring out the weird in people

  • Nice thing about doing option 2 is I find you can get much better carbonation if you like your drink really fizzy. Not sure what sodastream carbonates at, but you can get those regulators ~45 psi which makes your drink quite a bit fizzier than any sodastream I have used. You can also shake your bottle up nicely when carbonating with these setups, which helps with getting the best carbonation

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