Life insurance through super

Hi

So i've experience quite a few deaths this past year (close friends to acquaintances) and it definetly has me thinking about the future for my family and everyone around me. I work in a cemetery, so my first thing is to organise everything related to a funeral first (buying cremation etc) so thats one less worry for them if i ever kark it. My next task is to properly organise a will and the final is life insurance.

My current provider (Vision super) has life insurance offered, and looking in detail, it is underwritten by MLC. I've been reading the PDS etc, but when googling alot of people are posting negative comments about super run life insurance compared to retail. Can anyone offer any advice.

P.S: Dont worry about commenting about how its a waste of money etc, when you need it, its too late. Im conservative and like to know my family will be looked after.

Thanks heaps!

Comments

  • +6

    First off you're better off speaking to a good financial adviser (someone who's actually going to guide you and not a cowboy). They'll be able to recommend the right product for your needs, advise you based on your medical history but the most important thing is, should you ever need to claim your adviser is there to guide you along the process and organise things for you. I know they've copped a bad reputation recently and there are absolute drop kicks and scum out there but if you find a good adviser they are definitely worth their fee. I can't stress this enough.

    Assess how much cover you need, but also look at getting some quotes on a higher sum insured, as most insurers give you a large sum insured discount, so taking a higher sum insured can sometimes equal a lower premium. E.g. $499k is a lower discount than $501k so it is cheaper to take out $501k. This is only with sum insurers so double check with them.

    If you're conservative and want to make sure you're family is looked after i'd suggest going through a retail policy. Not only is it easier to deal with for a payout should anything happen, the policies are generally of a better quality. Super policies are generic and designed a mass group of people (hence the lower price) but the issue is if you have to claim you're bound by super legislation and up to the trustees. Retail is a lot more straight forward.

    Compared to other insurances Life for retail isn't that expensive as the insurer is only assessing you on how likely you are to claim e.g. you get a terminal illness or you die. So pricing is pretty sharp for it.

    OP just also remember you have a duty of disclosure, a lot of people don't seem to realise this and think something isn't important and don't disclose it. When to the insurer it can be. The last thing you want to do is have your loved ones having to fight them should anything get denied. Be honest and transparent and you'll have no issues during claim time. A good thing to do is obtain your medical records from your GP and have everything in front of you ready to go. Less chance for a non disclosure and it will make sure the information you provide is as accurate as possible.

    • +1

      Note also that super life policies generally cut out at around age 65, whereas retail policies often cover you to 99.

      The retail policies will also auto-increase the payouts every year, with and associated additional premium payment. What can start as a cheap policy can end up being really expensive over time. You should have the option to reject their increases though.

      Retail policies also (in my experience anyway) won't let you randomly increase the cover amount - you'll have cancel your existing and start a new policy if you want to increase it, which will restart any duty of disclosure and waiting periods. So think about how much you want to start with.

      Personally I think it's better to have a mix - I have a few policies myself (provided by work, super and retail)- I have kids, so the reasoning is that everything gets paid off with leftovers if myself or my wife die.

      • +1

        Retail you can increase through a life event, some group funds e.g. Aus super let you do this as well. But it's limited on what qualifies as a life event. Like having a child, new mortgage etc and it's generally no more than 25% of the original sum insured capped to a certain limit.

        Indexing isn't always that bad if you're young and intend to keep the policy for a while, so might be worthwhile looking at that.

        Group policies are also united and fixed, you may have the right amount of units now but in the future that may not be suitable for your needs.

  • +2

    Just understand that there is a difference between getting life insurance through the standard group policy offered within your Superannuation Fund, and getting a retail policy with more options and having it paid through your super (since life insurance isn't tax deductible anyway)

    The later is better imo. Level premiums to avoid getting priced out of the market

    • Good advice, I had that done a couple of years back as my premiums were getting ridonculous. I preferred them to come out of my super account rather than my working account. If I were a person of means it would be 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

  • +3

    "so thats one less worry for them if i ever kark it"

    I like your optimism when you say "if I ever kark it". I can assure you that you will kark it one day, we just don't know when!

  • +1

    U work in a cemetary?… And your just thinking about death NOW..

    • +2

      Maybe he just lost the plot?

    • Haha yea. Working in the industry makes you abit desentatized.

  • Like any insurance, do your research and compare policies properly before making any moves.

    Find the right policy conditions for you and the right amount of cover to ensure it's worth while. E.G. Not point getting $200k death cover if you have 900k in debt. Likewise, don't be greedy getting $1M in cover for $100k of debt. Aim for a nice balance to help keep your monthly costs down but consider what your family needs longer term if you get hit by a bus.

  • I may be wrong but don't these policies also cover disability? IE 'Death and Disability'. If so, then I would not hesitate. Like all insurances, hopefully you won't need to claim.

    • There r a range of policies you can take, all pay differently based on what is triggered.

      E.g. if U only buy life insurance and you sever a hand, you can't claim against a life insurance policy.

      Lump Sum Benefits
      - Life Insurance (pays on death and/or diagnosis of terminal illness - time period depends on policy wording, i.e if doctors say U have 6mth - 24 mths to live etc)
      - Total Permanent Disability (death need not be involved)
      - Trauma (suffer from defined illness)

      Monthly Benefits (unable to work due to injury or illness)
      - Income Protection
      - Business Insurance

  • Also interested in this topic. Rather then just spouting the same "get professional advice and compare policies, read fine print etc" which I hope is pretty standard for most, how about some people say which company they use and how much they pay premium wise?
    Just fyi, i only have my standard super run type currently but want to get this sorted soon for my wife and I now that we are in our mid 30's with 3 kids and a decent mortgage.
    A point in the right direction for things to look for, companies to consider would be very helpful.

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