Do we need a Taser Permit to own a Bunnings sold Gasmate 2 Point Electronic Ignition Kit?

[Deactivated] on 31/05/2018 - 11:58
Last edited 31/05/2018 - 11:59

https://www.bunnings.com.au/gasmate-2-point-electronic-ignit…

So, in light of the recent terrorism court case involving taser-like objects.

This product I have mentioned serves basically the same purpose as the one mentioned in the media. If you lookup some videos on youtube, you'll find kids zapping themselves with this product and ouch it hurts. Some have even modified it to act in place of one of the bic lighters that use fluids.

Does the new findings mean it is now legal to hold this? Or is there still some grey area? I mean he was found guilty but with non-conviction.

I've been using one of these to light my gas cooktop stove for years. I have been looking for the pen-like ones but the store selling them was apparently raided a few years back on the same taser technicality.

These are also known as electronic cigarette lighters.

Or can we say it is safe as long as it doesn't look like a taser; but it does mention taser-like object…

I 100% recommend people to stay away from non-renewable lighters as they harm the environment. Maybe if enough people get onboard with these new electronic ones, they will have to change the law. (If it is legal I mean). You'll save yourself money in the long term if you were wondering…

Electrical & Electronics

Comments

  • [Deactivated] on 31/05/2018 - 12:02
    +2

    Cool, I want one now!

  • pformag on 31/05/2018 - 12:09
    +1

    I think you will find that the voltage/amp will determine if it is illegal. Considering this is just a spark, it won't be.

    • D C on 31/05/2018 - 13:51

      Considering this is just a spark, it won't be.

      It's a rather high voltage spark. Being continuous helps bring it into "Is this a taser?" territory.

      Anyway, just get one of these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DC-3V-6V-bis-400kV-400000V-B….

      No, they're not 400kV (I haven't gotten around to measuring mine) but they do make a rather underwear-endangering display when you power them up without thinking too much. Or even if you do think about it: https://youtu.be/YNPtMR0e6I4?t=10m35s

      • singlemalt72 on 31/05/2018 - 14:31

        It may be a high voltage spark but it is not in the range and frequency which disrupts the nervous system to the extent a taser does.

        • D C on 31/05/2018 - 15:00

          which disrupts the nervous system to the extent a taser does

          Buy one of those modules and try it out. Do report back about how it disrupted your nervous system.

          The 'high voltage' isn't all that high anyway. The spark is just for show and the voltage drops dramatically once loaded (ie connected to you).

          50 volts is enough to cause a bit of disruption to your nervous system. Luckily your skin resistance is usually high enough to limit the current.

          The idea behind Tasers is they run at a frequency high enough to cause 'skin effect' (much beloved by audiofools) so the current doesn't penetrate too far into the body and affect the heart. Yeah maybe. And they pulse to reduce the duration if it does. Probably current limit as well.

          A Taser shouldn't kill you. Random crap from China? You first.

  • Archi on 31/05/2018 - 12:34
    +5

    reminds me of the electric starters we use to take out of the gas heaters when were in school as a kid to shock people and arcade machines to get free credits..

    • D C on 31/05/2018 - 13:39

      Piezoelectric igniter. Exactly the same thing.

  • one man clan on 31/05/2018 - 12:50
    +2

    Definitely illegal. I've reported you to the FBI. Expect a knock on your door any second

    • Cluster on 31/05/2018 - 13:18

      I would love to see an FBI raid in Australia

      • tomsco on 31/05/2018 - 13:43

        FBI do door knocks, not raids. You're thinking of CIA.

  • bobbified on 31/05/2018 - 15:42

    The cops probably discussed charging the guy for carrying a cigarette lighter without a flamethrower permit.

    That taser-like fly-swatter is all over asia but is a prohibited item in Australia. I've previously seen them for sale in some Asian supermarkets. It's minor, but it sounds like the cops were just trying everything to get a conviction.

    Your question about the piezo-electric lighter… No chance that's illegal. The key difference between that and an actual taser is the lighter not capable of delivering a continuous charge.

    • D C on 31/05/2018 - 18:25

      That taser-like fly-swatter is all over asia but is a prohibited item in Australia.

      Are they? https://shop.australiangeographic.com.au/bug-zapper-indoor-m…

      Must be a recent thing or there's a power limit or something.

      • bobbified on 31/05/2018 - 20:07

        Are they?

        I usually see the pictures of them on the posters as a prohibited item at the airport on the way home.

        Quick search finds that they can't be more than 6V and must have a protective grid. I've only ever seen the ones that run on two AA (3V) batteries.

        Doesn't specify whether the 6V limit is the input or output power though.

        (https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/ente/brin/can-i-bring-it…)

        • D C on 31/05/2018 - 20:45
          +2

          Doesn't specify whether the 6V is the input or output power though.

          The only way you kill a fly with 6v is if you threw the batteries at them.

          6v would be 4 x AA batteries, which is probably what most of them have. There are lithium rechargeable ones.

          It's a rather odd restriction, maybe someone had a go at making mains-powered ones.

        • bobbified on 31/05/2018 - 20:53

          @D C:

          The only way you kill a fly with 6v is if you threw the batteries at them.

          LOLOLOL

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