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Unfortunately, these days many people follow unhealthy diets; and as a result, some end up dealing with obesity, diabetes, heart disease, osteoporosis (you will learn about it in the book!), and even cancer in some cases. Many people underestimate the importance of their diet and its effects on their lives. Exercising regularly is crucial for a healthy mind and body, but exercising alone is not enough. It should be combined with a healthy diet, and that is the ultimate recipe for a healthy lifestyle.

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  • [Deactivated] on 06/05/2018 - 17:35
    +5

    Thanks, this will come in handy. I’m not vegan, but I still like to cook meat-free recipes now and then.

  • Diji1 on 06/05/2018 - 18:07
    +3

    spinach will give you 49% of protein

    Uh … no it of won't.

    • follow on 06/05/2018 - 18:15
      +12

      Not with that attitude

    • GordonR on 06/05/2018 - 18:26
      +4

      Actually, while misleading, it is not incorrect. The problem is that the pesky percentage doesn’t say percentage of WHAT.

      So spinach contains 3g of protein per 100g - meaning 3% protein by weight.

      However, nearly half of the calories of spinach come from the protein, so 49% by CALORIE.

      If you miss off the units, then % can be anything.

  • Bargainbag on 06/05/2018 - 18:20
    +2

    Fantastic, I'm a flexitarian so this fits in well!

    • stickymoo on 06/05/2018 - 20:12

      Just science neg voter

  • rgr on 06/05/2018 - 20:13
    -7

    LOL VEGAN

  • montorola on 06/05/2018 - 20:24
    +1

    Thanks OP, will give this one a read while having kfc

    • Being Askhole on 06/05/2018 - 20:28
      +1

      No worries mate.. :)
      Yeah.. try Moroccan Chickpea Salad .. it may go well with Chicken burgers ;-)

    • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 11:11

      How do you know someone is a carnivore?

      Don't worry, they'll tell you (in the most obnoxious way possible).

      • mattyman on 07/05/2018 - 11:15
        +2

        Just like crossfitters and vegans.

        Oh and marathon runners.

      • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 16:21

        KFC is actually an omnivorous meal.

  • Polly P on 06/05/2018 - 20:28

    Why it says “This product is not available for purchase” in Australia link?

    • Being Askhole on 06/05/2018 - 20:30

      Its working fine.. Do your Amazon AU details mixed up i.e address ,US or non AU address etc?

  • Ahbal on 06/05/2018 - 20:33
    +3

    Vegan diets have always confused me as a scientist, since our digestive system cannot break down most of it (we cannot break down cellulose, which is a key component in plants). So with a vegan diet, you end up with a lot of undigested plant matter, leading to satiation-in other words, you think you are full when you are not. Not to mention you need to eat a lot more in a vegan diet to simply compensate for one steak.

    Unlike cows, they have a gut microbiome that consists of bacteria which produce cellulase, which is an enzyme that breaks down cellulose. When broken down, it "gives" a lot of energy, which is then stored by said cow. We then benefit from this by eating meat. We are not herbivores, our digestive system lacks the mechanisms, and gut micriobiome, to fully breakdown and benefit from such a diet in comparison to a balanced diet.

    Dont get me wrong though, going vegan is no doubt better than eating trashy fast food or frozen crap. As well as processed garbage and whatever else. However, what I dont like is when people throw around nutritional values without realising that with plants, we cannot break down a lot of it.

    • unelectric on 06/05/2018 - 20:45
      +5

      Humans not being to break down cellulose doesn't mean that plants don't offer other nutritional value. You can get up to 1/4 of your daily protein needs from 1 cup of beans.

      • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 09:04

        You are misunderstanding me. I am not saying you get no nutritional value, I am saying our digestive system cannot get all of it. I should have explained it better.

      • Stirfryz on 07/05/2018 - 00:05
        +6

        I've been vegan for 5 years and have never felt better. It feels simply amazing to eat a plant based diet. I'm up early to have my breakfast and have plenty of energy to work and study full time. Best decision I ever made.

        • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 17:33
          -1

          Ah, that settles it then. Let’s throw all the scientific journals out the window. Ancient medical practices such as Chinese medicine, Ayurveda & Greek medicine are wrong. Modern day medicine & science are also wrong. You feel great. Throw data & thousands of years of practice in the bin. I’m glad that’s settled. Thank you

    • gzalyu on 06/05/2018 - 21:43
      +4

      Have you considered cooking your food? Asking as a scientist.

      • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 09:06
        -1

        I am only talking about the cellulose here, not the rest of the plant. Cellulose requires the cellulase enzyme to break down-cooked or not.

    • jayel on 06/05/2018 - 22:15
      +3

      The fact that millions of vegans age not facing an epidemic of malnutrition and health affects. Seems more scurvy then your hypothesis on how you think the Boch should work.

      Though i presume you are thinking of raw food people who do not use cooking to break down Cellulose.

      • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 09:09
        +2

        The cellulose is not broken down by cooking, only "softened" so it is less irritating. I never said anything about malnutrtion, read and comprehend my post before posting assumptions about my "hypothesis" which is actually just scientific fact. I never said dont be vegan.

      • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 17:36

        Don’t forget the lectins

    • ivegan on 06/05/2018 - 22:16
      -3

      What we need to understand that it does not kill innocent. As far as your science is concerned, it is evolving and we both know that tomorrow they may give some finding that might be in favour of Vegan diet. However, I am sure businesses give enough money to these science people to ignore that.

      Beans are best in protein.

      I remember my surgeon told me to go and eat meat. I felt that she does not even know what vegan can enjoy eating that has full of protein that too without harming innocent life of calf, which is a son/ daughter of some cow. It has same feeling as me and my daughter.

      GO VEGAN! LONG LIVE VEGAN!

      • 00 on 06/05/2018 - 22:24
        +6

        you’re equating the feelings of a cow with the feelings of your own daughter?

        • airal3rt on 06/05/2018 - 23:01
          +2

          Sounds fairly standard for vegan dogma.

        • Ahil on 07/05/2018 - 00:18
          +2

          It's quite an arrogant viewpoint to assume that reduced intelligence equates to a lesser ability to feel emotion or suffering.

        • mattyman on 07/05/2018 - 11:17
          +1

          @Ahil: Good point. Might have to start eating people.

        • surethang on 07/05/2018 - 12:05
          +1

          @mattyman:

          May I recommend the Soylent Green, sir?

      • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 09:13
        +3

        Yes I definitely understand the ethical point, but I only wanted to write points that are objective, with my opinion only coming in at the very end. Ethics vary between individuals and communities. Next, no, we are not "paid" to ignore things. It is a simple fact of biology that dedicated herbivored have developed digestive systems with specific microbiomes to breakdown cellulose (to get maximimum benefit). We cant do this, however we still gain other nutrients (cellulose=energy, you can still get your protein/ other nutrients and energy- but not as much).

        As I replied to another commenter, I should have explained it better, did not expect so many to respond.

      • surethang on 07/05/2018 - 12:28
        -1

        What we need to understand that it does not kill innocent

        Sadly, it does. Unfortunately, industrial crop-farming equipment kills countless cute baby bunnies, field mice, foxes, lizards, moles, snakes… pretty much anything that can live or venture into a field. Many animals die to gives us that bowl of salad.

        And worse, unlike at a humane abattoir, these animals can lie in the fields, semi-crushed or mutilated, dying a long agonising slow death over several days.

        Of course, vegans have several counter-claims for this, but they often don't include all the facts, or are just contradictory.

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 12:58

          Also don't forget the mass use of pesticides has terrible effects for the nearby/surrounding ecosystem/s.

          Whilst killing animals for meat is more direct, it is a single form of "cruelty". Agriculture on the other hand is more indirect, however arguably has a far worse and "crueller" effect on the environment.

        • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 14:40
          +2

          Sadly, it does. Unfortunately, industrial crop-farming equipment kills countless cute baby bunnies, field mice, foxes, lizards, moles, snakes… pretty much anything that can live or venture into a field. Many animals die to gives us that bowl of salad.

          Of course there are still animal deaths from growing crops, but it is far, far fewer than are killed by animal agriculture. Like, around 1%.

          More than half of the crops grown in the world are actually fed to livestock, and growing livestock is a very inefficient way to turn plants into usable energy.

          Also… you probably eat plants too.

        • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 14:49
          +4

          @Ahbal:

          Also don't forget the mass use of pesticides has terrible effects for the nearby/surrounding ecosystem/s.

          That's unrelated to veganism though, since 1) most crops are fed to animals, and 2) non-vegans eat plants too.

          Agriculture on the other hand is more indirect, however arguably has a far worse and "crueller" effect on the environment.

          How on earth do you work that out? Just ignore the massive amount of methane and CO2 caused by animal agriculture, the antibiotics used to keep animals "healthy", the amount of land cleared for animal agriculture, etc.

          Growing animals for meat requires growing a shedload of crops (more than required to sustain a vegan diet), and THEN feeding them to an animal, with all of the consequent harm to the animal and the environment, and then killing the animal itself. How does that equate to less harm?

          This report (from the UN) provides a very in-depth analysis of the environmental harm caused by livestock: http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 15:43

          @magicmoose:
          How is it unrelated? It is still an ethical consideration in an ethical discussion, regardless if both "sides" do it. Personally, I dont care about ethics so in my balanced diet all I care about is efficiency, taste, and how practical it is. Cruelty is something I dont care so much about, as it is rampant in nature to begin with-lion eating their own cubs for being too weak for example.

          On the point about Methane and Co2, such gases occur naturally in the environment, so theyre impact is no-where near as bad as pesticides that are not naturally occuring in said environment. Sort of like introduced species (think cane toads). Pesticides have a similar effect, due to the environment not being able to deal with them quickly, as opposed to methane and co2-while bad is not as bad as pesticides.

        • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 16:48
          +1

          @Ahbal:

          How is it unrelated?

          How is it related? Pesticide use is independent of veganism. An omnivorous diet requires pesticide use too, and probably in larger quantities than a vegan diet.

          Cruelty is something I dont care so much about, as it is rampant in nature to begin with-lion eating their own cubs for being too weak for example.

          I'm glad you base your ethical decisions on lions, that seems logical.

          On the point about Methane and Co2, such gases occur naturally in the environment

          Oh, come on… climate change is real mate. Are you genuinely saying that pesticides are worse than climate change?

          Also, since you're an expert "scientist", you would know that livestock are responsible for 37% of pesticide use. So shouldn't we be reducing the number of livestock?

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 17:02

          @magicmoose: I should have worded my post better, I am not saying pesticide use is exclusive to veganism-I am talking about it in general for crops in terms of "both sides" (i.e balanced diet and vegan diet derived foods).

          We have studied the effects of pesticides, and in the areas we studied we recorded worse impacts from pesticides than the gases from livestock. Put simply, the gases from livestock generally do not give instant direct harm to the environment, pesticides on the other hand do-and are harder to clean up.

          I have also been working on my own personal environmentally safe pesticide derived from plants (this plant grows without being bothered by insects, so essentially I am deriving it from that). So far it is working, it needs more testing but I believe it will work.

          Please note that I exclude a lot of points purely because of the jargon and explanation involved to make it clear. I am also multitasking here as I have been writing a lab report (nothing hard, taking it relaxed really).

          You also seem to make a lot of assumptions, I never mentioned climate change, so not sure why you are trying to make an equivalence there. Do livestock contribute to it? Yes, of course, but I am talking about the immediate ecosystem-which irrefutably pesticides have a worse impact on, which is why there is a lot of research in GMOs to try and reduce the use of pesticides due to their strong impacts on the immediate ecosystem.

        • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 17:25

          @Ahbal: sorry, I assumed you were making an argument against veganism due to the way your first comment was worded.

          I agree that pesticides are harmful. Whether they're worse than climate change is irrelevant really, but I suppose if you ignore long-term effects, they're worse than CO2 and methane, because climate change is a long term process.

          It's a fact that eating meat requires more crops than a plant based diet. So if people are concerned about pesticide use, they should be eating plants instead of animals. It will reduce CO2, methane and pesticides at once.

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 17:43
          -1

          @magicmoose: Yes no problem. One of my passions is having pesticides able to grow fruit/veg without harm to the environment. My garden at home uses 0 harmful pesticides, they are all derived from the plants I grow. It is so successful so far We have even managed to grow full mango trees in our backyard, that thrive and give fully ripened mangoes during the summer, and survive the winter with no issues. The fruit in these trees, when treated with our "natural pesiticide" also do not get bothered by insects, even birds for some reason.

          This of course requires more study, however I thought I would let you know this just so you see I make a genuine effort at curbing the effect of pesticides, rather than just talking about lifestyle choices on the net.

          If you are curious on what we grow, we have grown watermelons, passionfruit, figs, tomatoes, mangoes, cucumber, as well as nuts, parsley, mint. Many of these are very easy, but the key here is no artificial environment harming pesticides. It had of course been done before, but what we are doing is extremely cheap and cost effective. But again, requires a lot more work.

        • freemoneyhunter on 07/05/2018 - 17:55
          -1

          @Ahbal: "Cruelty is something I dont care so much about" I will come over to your place, string you upside down and use a power drill to poke some holes in your body. You would be crap scared out of your skin and be begging for me not to do it, what you mean is you don't care if it happens to others, only if it is yourself and you would be completely against it. People like you make me sick, anyone with that attitude shouldn't be part of society.

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 18:13

          @freemoneyhunter:
          Yes come try it. I would love to turn you into fertiliser.

        • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 18:23

          @freemoneyhunter:

          So silly & irational

        • Munki on 07/05/2018 - 18:40

          @freemoneyhunter: what the actual (profanity), mate? Get a grip.

        • surethang on 07/05/2018 - 18:57

          @magicmoose:

          Thanks. Yep, those are some of the counter-claims I was saying are often quoted and always wrong.

          More than half of the crops grown in the world are actually fed to livestock…

          It's actually ~55% for people, 36% for livestock, and 9% for biofuels. So human food consumption and their crop-related deaths are 1.5 times higher than livestock.

          https://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/feeding-9-bi…
          https://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053187/cropland-map-food-fuel…

          And yes, ironically every vegan that fills up with E10 fuel avoidably contributes further to the suffering of animals.

          BTW, I'm not saying veganism is bad. It's arguably better than the standard western diet (not a high benchmark). My beef here (pun intended ;) is only with the misinformation that gets thrown around in support of the diet

        • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 22:36
          +1

          @surethang: ok, my figures were slightly off but the point still stands. From that Vox article:

          The proportions are even more striking in the United States, where just 27 percent of crop calories are consumed directly — wheat, say, or fruits and vegetables grown in California. By contrast, more than 67 percent of crops — particularly all the soy grown in the Midwest — goes to animal feed.

          Some of that animal feed eventually becomes food, obviously — but it's a much, much more indirect process. It takes about 100 calories of grain to produce just 12 calories of chicken or 3 calories worth of beef, for instance.

          As for your claim that "human food consumption and their crop-related deaths are 1.5 times higher than livestock", that's arguably true but it's definitely cherry picking. You're ignoring the animal agriculture deaths (i.e. the cows killed for beef) and you're glossing over the fact that non-vegans are responsible for the vast majority of those crop-related deaths.

          Over 250 animals are killed to produce one million calories of chicken, compared to 1.65 animals per million calories of grain and 2.55 per million calories of vegetables. The numbers are lower for other types of meat but still much higher than plants. Source: http://www.animalvisuals.org/projects/data/1mc?/data/1mc

          The fact is that a vegan diet kills far, far fewer animals than a non-vegan diet. Vegans do not claim to eliminate all harm to animals (that is, sadly, impossible) but rather to reduce it as far as is practical.

          ironically every vegan that fills up with E10 fuel avoidably contributes further to the suffering of animals.

          That's an interesting point actually that I'd not considered before. I personally don't use E10 anyway.

      • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 17:40
        -3

        What is it. Less than 1% of the human population is “vegan”. If everyone turned vegan the earth would be destroyed by agriculture. Very sustainable.

        • Georgevic on 07/05/2018 - 19:26
          +2

          Do you think meat doesn't come from agriculture? lmao

        • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 20:45
          -1

          @Georgevic:

          Ah, the amount of agriculture needed to feed a vegan population. What is confusing about this statement?

        • Georgevic on 07/05/2018 - 22:30

          @stickymoo:

          Animal agriculture consumes far more resources and is far more environmentally damaging than plant agriculture..

    • freemoneyhunter on 07/05/2018 - 17:17

      If that is the cause why not feed cows woodchips? ofcourse it does not work. Humans do not get much energy from leafy vegetables, we are supposed to get our energy from Potatoes, Beans, fruits, grains etc. If humans consume high caloric foods such as steaks, butter, cream, cheese and candy bars without getting enough fibre at the same time they will overeat without feeling full. The nutritional information on vegetables is correct, cellulose is a sugar but because humans can not break it down, it is listed as fibre instead which is what most people are lacking in their diets too.

  • LordSydney on 07/05/2018 - 09:29
    -1

    Couldn’t give a damn about veganism but keen on high protein recipes for the #gainz

    • freemoneyhunter on 07/05/2018 - 17:23

      high protein = kidney failure, enjoy the #gainz. Any diet that is over 15% calories in protein will cause an excess of breakdown products such as ammonia that will kill your internal organs. Also diets over 15% calories in fat will clog your arteries and kill you, it will also cause cancer especially bowel cancer. Meat is high in protein and fat, that is why it is deadly.

  • greater mimic on 07/05/2018 - 11:10
    +3
    1. Why do vegans have to act crazy in discussions about veganism
    2. Why do non-vegans have to come into deals like these and shit it up

    Can everyone just chill out a bit

    • surethang on 07/05/2018 - 12:50
      +3

      Most vegans I know are reasonable, cool people that go about their lives not fussing about their diet to everyone.

      But, like any large interest-group, there's always a small minority that get gung-ho and go overboard ruining the image of the whole group.

      Same with non-vegans - if they're spreading more pseudo-science or using dodgy critical thinking, or just plain trolling, then yeah I'm with you. But if it's solid, science-based nutrition information offered respectfully that can help someone improve their health, then more power to them.

      • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 13:02

        "But if it's solid, science-based nutrition information offered respectfully that can help someone improve their health, then more power to them."

        This is what I came here to do. I mean no disrespect with my posts. I am just here to inform people that don't know the science about our digestive system/microbiome. to ensure they do not cause themselves severe discomfort as a result of undigested plant matter (i.e cellulose).

        In fact, I have vegan meals almost every day-I just follow up or supplement them later on with meat in my other meals because I don't want to count my beans or cups of spinach to equal 1 steak for nutritional needs.

        • greater mimic on 07/05/2018 - 14:17
          +1

          Can you please provide evidence-based journal articles to support your first argument, I'm interested in reading more about it. Currently, I don't believe the cellulose issue is a concern, we're all eating veggies and eating more won't cause problems. Your second argument about nutritional needs is more valid to me because of the lack of non-fortified B12 available in a plant-based diet, but it's easy enough to get in other ways through supplements or fortified foods (vegemite anyone?). Whether or not getting nutrients from fortified food is equal or worse for your body is a whole other argument. For all other nutrients, it's easy enough to get enough from a correct plant-based diet.

        • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 14:56
          +3

          Every one of the world's leading organisations of dieticians recognise that a well-planned vegan diet is at least as healthy as one that includes animal products:

          Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
          It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.

          Dietitians of Canada
          A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.

          The British National Health Service
          With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.

          The British Nutrition Foundation
          A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate … Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.

          The Dietitians Association of Australia
          Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With good planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.

          The United States Department of Agriculture
          Vegetarian diets (see context) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.

          The National Health and Medical Research Council
          Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day

          The Mayo Clinic
          A well-planned vegetarian diet (see context) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.

          The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada
          Vegetarian diets (see context) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.

          Harvard Medical School
          Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.

          British Dietetic Association
          Well planned vegetarian diets (see context) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (…) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 15:08

          @magicmoose:
          You copy paste all this as if I said you cant get adequete nutrion from a vegan diet-which i never said. Read and compehend my posts first. I doubt you even understand the science I am trying to explain here in the first place.

          What you copy pasted has nothing to do with what I am saying, which is simply: We cannot digest cellulose. Plain and simple. You can still meet nutritional requirements of course, but as shown you need careful planning and measurements etc etc which you dont need to do with a regular balanced diet. Simple. That is all I am saying.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1432575/?page=1

          Above is the link for the person who asked for some scientific paper on this. Doubt anyone will read it or understand it, as even my extremely simplified posts are not being understood.

        • greater mimic on 07/05/2018 - 15:59
          +2

          @Ahbal:

          Thanks, I read through those pages previously but I more meant evidence of a link between 'not being able to digest cellulose and not getting enough nutrients and energy from eating a simple plant-based diet' (as implied, but not directly said in your previous comments), not actually how cellulose reacts in the gut lol. it just seems like you're piecing this all together anecdotally.

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 16:19
          -1

          @jkerrigan: No. You just do not understand what I am saying.

          Hard for me to explain when you do not understand simple science. I never implied you do not get enough nutrition. I made everything clear and simple in my first post which ill quote:

          "Vegan diets have always confused me as a scientist, since our digestive system cannot break down most of it (we cannot break down cellulose, which is a key component in plants). So with a vegan diet, you end up with a lot of undigested plant matter, leading to satiation-in other words, you think you are full when you are not. Not to mention you need to eat a lot more in a vegan diet to simply compensate for one steak.

          Unlike cows, they have a gut microbiome that consists of bacteria which produce cellulase, which is an enzyme that breaks down cellulose. When broken down, it "gives" a lot of energy, which is then stored by said cow. We then benefit from this by eating meat. We are not herbivores, our digestive system lacks the mechanisms, and gut micriobiome, to fully breakdown and benefit from such a diet in comparison to a balanced diet.

          Dont get me wrong though, going vegan is no doubt better than eating trashy fast food or frozen crap. As well as processed garbage and whatever else. However, what I dont like is when people throw around nutritional values without realising that with plants, we cannot break down a lot of it."

          If this does not make it clear, then I have nothing more to say. I have spent over 4 years studying this at a university level, majoring in microbiology, biochemistry and genetics. I am not going to waste so much time explaining to people who read blogs or some crap on the internet how this all works if they already have a predisposed bias on the matter with little to no scientific knowledge. It is simple science and well known that cellulose contains energy, and that only herbivores with appropriate digestive systems can break it down and benefit from it. We cant. End of story.

          I should not have to throw numerous sources at this, whilst vegans are allowed to throw around numbers without understanding them or even checking their validity (as shown at the top with the false spinach claim).

        • greater mimic on 07/05/2018 - 16:25
          +3

          @Ahbal:

          If you're not saying you don't get enough nutrients and energy from a plant-based diet then why are you acting like breaking down cellulose is important in a diet hahaha

          That was my original response to you, that it's not a concern

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 16:35

          @jkerrigan: I never said you dont get enough nutrients from a plant based diet. Learn comprehension bud. Read again, if you read at all.

          Breaking down cellulose is important, you clearly did not read. I put effort into explaining these things yet you seem to not read them and attempt to poke fun when in reality you stand on no ground at all.

          Good day, go bother someone else with your lack of comprehension.

        • greater mimic on 07/05/2018 - 17:00
          +2

          @Ahbal: it's important because you think it causes "severe discomfort" without it (I don't think this is even anecdotal, I think this is flat out false), or because of some other special reason you would like to share with me?

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 17:08

          @jkerrigan: I made this clear already, satiation. Severe discomfort can be caused from too much undigested plant matter and the gasses that result from it. Again, another simple scientific fact. And cooking obviously reduces this (made a comment on it earlier).

          Your favorite word seems to be anecdotal, without even providing evidence that disproves my points to the point where they are "anecdotal" as not once did I mention personal experience in regard to this. I am only discussing the mechanisms and there effects, which is not anecdotal at all.

          Again, it seems like you are not reading or comprehending. Your posts will go to great use in essays where I need to evaluate the lack of scientific literacy in the community, and how to counter it with improved high school curriculum. Thank you.

        • greater mimic on 07/05/2018 - 17:16
          +2

          @Ahbal:
          I'm not looking to disprove anything, I'm looking for evidence of what you say. Please share with me some evidence that eating a plant-based diet causes severe discomfort because of cellulose, that's all I'm asking for. I think I've asked for it in each of my comments and I'm still waiting lol

          And you don't need to write a paragraph insulting me in every comment you make you're going to make me cry 😢

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 17:32

          @jkerrigan: I explained it. The discomfort is the cases released as a result of this (bloating, in a sense). Basically having too much fibre in your stomach. This leads to satiation-feeling full. This is all because the cellulose ( the plant wall structural component) cannot be broken down. These fibres in some sense get fermented, thus the gases, but not broken down. These gases can cause discomfort, however to be clear this is specific to the individuals gut microbiome, and can vary as shown in the linked study.

          I linked an NCBI study on this earlier. It uses a lot of jargon but the info is all there. It is the most dense and informative piece of information I could find, unless you want a possibly biased article (which I won't link in good conscience).

          Regardless, as you can see all over this post, I have commented way too much and put decent effort into most of them. Many are worded quite poorly due to multitasking, however be assured I am not out to offend. I made 1 comment at night which seems to have gone out of control. I likely won't make a comment like that again, even though my intentions were simply to explain the mechanisms from a field I am passionate about. It seems a lot of what I am trying to explain is being lost in translation so to speak.

        • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 17:44

          @magicmoose:
          Let’s feed a vegan diet to babies, toddlers & children & see what happens

        • greater mimic on 07/05/2018 - 17:51
          +1

          @Ahbal:

          Ok man, thank you for not insulting me that time. Look I know that the theory of what you're saying with cellulose and how it reacts in the gut is probably correct since it's your field, but I'm telling you what you think is happening to people who eat plants just is not happening. It really is not an argument as the concern is just not there. You're just not convincing me, as someone who has been on a plant-based diet for a few months, and have not felt what you're saying I should be feeling (or what any other vegan has felt really)

          Anyway this has been a good time waster at work but I should be concentrating elsewhere haha

        • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 18:29
          +1

          @stickymoo: umm… they grow up heathy? As long as a diet is well planned it doesn't matter if it includes animal products. And eating meat certainly doesn't guarantee that one's diet is healthy.

    • Georgevic on 07/05/2018 - 18:57
      +1

      Can you point out the crazy vegans? It's pretty much just frothing mad meat eaters in here. Other people not eating meat is so offensive to some people for god knows why.

      • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 19:13

        I’m just reading over zealous, obscure comments that don’t really offer any real substance, value or educated responses.

        • Georgevic on 07/05/2018 - 19:27

          Mate you're the premier buttmad meat-eater in this thread right now.

        • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 20:47

          @Georgevic:

          Great response. It made me laugh.

  • Leuke on 07/05/2018 - 12:23
    +1

    There’s a bunch of meat recipients in the middle… odd.

  • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 17:49
    -1

    Neg vote for spreading a pseudo health diet that can harm self & others. The diet isn’t supported by ancient medicine or modern medicine. Nor science. Supplementation is needed for a vegan diet to be possibly sustained. Not just B12 as mentioned throughout these misinformed posts about health & nutrition. Of which the data is not there for the efficacy or longevity of a vegan diet or supplementation.

    • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 18:27

      Every major dietetic organisation recognises that a properly planned vegan diet is just as healthy as any other, so your concern isn't really valid.

      • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 19:08

        I’m talking about current data and information we have at our disposal right now. You’re talking about an organisation. What is “healthy” for one person is not “healthy” for another. This subject is a lot more complex.

        • Ahbal on 07/05/2018 - 19:49

          Most people these days live off processed/frozen/fast food garbage. Since that is mostly the standard, a vegan diet is certainly preferable. I personally prefer traditional balanced diet, however vegan is not "unhealthy" or "deficient", it just needs to be prepared and balanced correctly to cover the individuals needs.

        • stickymoo on 07/05/2018 - 20:48

          @Ahbal:

          A vegan diet is not deficient?

        • miarn on 07/05/2018 - 21:14
          +1

          What "data and information" would that be?

  • Georgevic on 07/05/2018 - 18:54
    +8

    The stereotype is that vegans can never shut up about veganism, but my experience is the other way around: certain people just can't see vegans mentioned without absolutely going bonkers. These comments support this.

  • smux on 08/05/2018 - 09:37

    Vegans are child abusers http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4493900/Trendy-veg…

  • jv on 08/05/2018 - 09:41
    -1

    The Effective Vegan Diet

    How would they even know ????

    Vega is 25 light years away…

    jv on 08/05/2018 - 09:41 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • jv on 08/05/2018 - 09:43
      -1

      Also,

      'Based on an observed excess emission of infrared radiation, Vega appears to have a circumstellar disk of dust.'

      This disk of dust extends through to the constellation of Taurus.

      This bull dust is known to have detrimental effects on Vegan diets !!!!

  • oshe on 08/05/2018 - 11:47

    I am a vegan and these meals look disgusting. Adding beans to every meal just ruins it, but yes it'll add minimum protein.

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