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Rejected stock simply means:
leather may have scratches
leather may have marks
Buckle may not be A grade
Retainer may be a little off centre (1-2mm)
Returns are not accepted.
32mm Black Full Grain Leather Belt (Rejected Stock) for $12 @ Close The Deal
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https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees…
It is against the law for businesses to tell you or show signs stating that they do not give refunds under any circumstances, including for gifts and during sales.
The ACL refers to REFUNDS.
It does not deal with the broader area of RETURNS, which if not for reasons covered by ACL (manufacturing fault, longevity, suited to use, misleading representation, etc), are up to the business selling the product to determine.Busineses should have policies to deal with matters covered under the ACL. Those are stated in the Warranty Information on this business's site. That covers RETURNS for assessment of faults & remedies available, as per ACL.
Many online businesses allow RETURNS for change of mind (ordered wrong size, don't like, etc). There is no (change of mind) RETURN covered with this defect product. It's a company decision, outside ACL. But we are covered by the ACL conditions for RETURNS - as set out under the Warranty Information.
Of course it's a different matter if the business lives up to its Warranty & ACL obligations. Taking legal action against a business (as I've successfully done, outside ACL) is not an easy task, but consumer bodies can help.
In the end it's just a $12 belt! I'm not expecting much.
Except it is - where the defect is advised to the customer before purchase.
https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Warranties%20and%20refu…
Except it is
And what if when you receive it there is something else wrong with it? That wasn't specified?
Australian Consumer Law applies to faulty merchandise (except where the defect is advised to buyer), but not to change of mind returns.
"Returns" referred to are for change of mind.
Faults are covered under the Warranty provisions.Clothing & Accessories are offered with a 3 month warranty against faulty workmanship. This warranty does not cover normal wear & tear.
Our goods come with guarantees that cannot be excluded under the Australian Consumer Law. You are entitled to a replacement or refund for a major failure and compensation for any other reasonably foreseeable loss or damage. You are also entitled to have the goods repaired or replaced if the goods fail to be of acceptable quality and the failure does not amount to a major failure.
@jv:
Like to provide a link regarding the word "returns"?
It is unlawful to deny REFUNDS, not to deny (change of mind) RETURNS.It is unlawful to deny REFUNDS
Yep, and to make general statements that you cannot return items
The only exception is where you include 'if you have simply changed your mind' to the statement…
@jv:
Not what Consumer Law states!
That's just your interpretation.
Waiting for your link to prove your argument.Not what Consumer Law states!
yes it does…
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-acc…
Signs that say "No refunds" are illegal.
The following refund signs or contract terms are also illegal:
no refund on sale items
no refunds after seven days
exchange, repair or credit only
no returns on swimwear.no return implies no refund.
it is considered misleadingA belt will not cover much, so is not regarded as swimwear!
They are examples of illegal signs.
no returns implies no refund and is considered illegal under consumer law.
But your interpretation won't stand up to scrutiny when it counts
it sure will as it's clearly a misleading and untrue statement…
@jv:
Not when read in conjunction with Warranty information they provide link to.Any legal or consumer advisor will tell tell you to read the document or site before jumping to the wrong conclusion.
If a buyer wants to know the conditions under which merchandise will be accepted for refund or repair, it is set out under
FAQ -
HELP CENTRE -
Warranty Information
The ACL is not avoided as set out there & as I posted details of earlier.Or call the business.
Not when read in conjunction with Warranty information they provide link to.
It's not listed in conjunction with the warranty information, it's listed on the advertisement.
That's why it is false and misleading…@jv:
Never come across T&C before?
Their Warranty conditions cover all products on their siteIt's covered as soon as you need to RETURN (manufacturing fault, the product is misrepresented, or other matters covered by the ACL), & dealt with under the Warranty Information. Or you will be informed when you ring to complain.
Have fun pushing that barrow to the ACCC!
"Returns" referred to are for change of mind.
Faults are covered under the Warranty provisions & returns if faulty are allowed.It is unlawful to deny REFUNDS, not to deny (change of mind) RETURNS.
"Returns" referred to are for change of mind.
It needs to be explicit, otherwise it is considered misleading and illegal…
Return of faulty merchandise is covered in warranty as I posted.
Return of faulty merchandise is covered in warranty as I posted.
That is irrelevant to the fact they've posted an illegal statement in the advertisement…
It's purpose is to mislead you an imply you are not covered by statutory consumer rights.Not illegal under Consumer Law
I've already shown you it is…
If you can't read, that's your problem…
Not illegal under Consumer Law, and that's what counts.
This is what counts
Signs that state ‘no refunds’ are unlawful, because they imply it is not possible for consumers to get a refund under any circumstance
For the same reason, the following signs are also unlawful:
‘No refund on sale items’
‘Exchange or credit note only for return of sale items’.https://www.accc.gov.au/publications/advertising-selling/adv…
…back to school for you…
$3 million fine to company that claimed 'returns were at their discretion'
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/hp-to-pay-3-million-fo…
Not advancing your argument referring to refunds rather than returns.
Well they successfully prosecuted HP for stating 'no returns'…
@jv:
Not mentioned by itself in that ACCC case as returns are not covered by ACL, just your interpretation.Rather for making false or misleading representations to customers and retailers regarding consumer guarantee rights. They weren't repairing, replacing or refunding in a timely or efficient manner.
A minor part of the case did involve "products purchased online could only be returned to HP at HP’s sole discretion." That was for repairs & refunds of faulty products, and was for online purchases of possible grey imports which may not be covered by HP Australia's warranty. HP apparently didn't say they couldn't be returned, just they didn't want to do anything. Naughty HP.
HP weren't accepting faulty products for repair, replacement or Refund - that was the case against HP! Not accepting returns was not important to that case, it was the failure to meet ACL on faulty merchandise that was the issue. Not that they weren't accepting any returns or had a sign to that effect.
Very different… This business states it will accept faulty merchandise for repair, replacement or Refund for major faults, unlike HP!
Still waiting for returns mention under ACL…
@jv:
It's purpose is to mislead you an imply you are not covered by statutory consumer rights.
That would be true if it said no REFUNDS -
that's why the ACL specifically deals with it - but not RETURNS!Love to see you in court trying to prove intent of words. It is an interpretation. That's what lawyers get paid well to interpret in their client's favour.
The most that would likely come out a complaint would be the addition of an * or link to Warranty Information under the statement you are so concerned about. But the deal would be long gone. Thank you AsteriskMan!
The site states nothing takes away your ACL rights & the business's obligations.
Given that, the intent is clear - you can't return this just because you don't like it.
That's all that needed to be said, instead of fear mongering about illegality. If you don't like what it states on the site - don't buy, someone else might want to. I bought.
At the end of the day, buyers rights under the ACL remain when buying this cheap belt. Not surprising.
@jv:
It's the interpretation of what you've read that's led you astray. Not my reading of what you claim.
Nothing you've shown backs what you claim. I go by ACL, not your interpretation to defend your initial statement.@Infidel:
See below for support for my comment, rather than believing what you want to believe.Law goes by what is stated, not what is imagined or hoped for (and not influenced by neg votes for what I wrote & uninformed upvotes to jv). jv was wrong.
To back up the faulty argument, jv claimed If you can't read, that's your problem… & I should "go back to school" - when jv was wrong! Not nice😠 After this my opinion of jv dropped off a cliff.
For future reference jv, under ACL - taking a product back under ACL (for major problem with product, misrepresentation, etc) is legally termed a "Warranty Claim" (not the commonly used term "return"). Dealt with under Warranty Information on the site of this business.
"Returns" refers specifically to change of mind returns. ACL does not cover returns as these are outside the ACL & covered by the business's policy.
This business has a change of mind returns policy on it's site. Seconds products like these belts may be excluded from those returns.
I checked. Rather than do that, you disrespect me by saying I can't read & back to school😠 Your interpretation of illegality under ACL was wrong!
You confused the commonly used meaning of "returns" (for any type of product return to a business, including Warranty Claims), with the specific legal term "Warranty Claim" (returning an unsuitable product on the grounds set out by ACL). Even this business's site differentiated between the two, if you had bothered to read instead of defending your misunderstanding.
Signs may not deny a "Warranty Claim", according to the ACL (eg "No Refunds" is not allowed as it precludes action that can be lawfully taken under a Warranty Claim). But returns are not covered ("No Returns" is merely a policy determined by the business).
HP case (you quote to show "No Returns" is unlawful under ACL) was successful on that grounds (denying lawful "Warranty Claim"). The term return was unfortunately used instead of the narrow, legal term "Warranty Claim" in the media release.Two of these belts arrived today (costing $2.50ea with $19 belt). No visible marks or imperfections. Happily wearing one now😉
Really impressed! A great bargain👍👍👍
Upvoted deal as was uncertain earlier of quality & didn't expect much at this price😀
They normally sell it for $19, by the way, not the $30 stated on the link…
http://www.closethedeal.com.au:80/32mm-black-full-grain-leat…
They were not damaged stock however. So paying $7 less for something that is damaged is not really a bargain
Where does it say these sell for $19?
The $19 ones they sell at the moment are different belts.Your (original) link shows
12.00
$29.95
Nothing about normally sells for $19
Delivered?
in a damaged box…
dodgy
Time for us to poo poo this deal me thinks
Sorry Op Aldi port is just kicking in
Any good?
$5 au go go
anywhere i can buy cheap but decent belts? went to target and they looks cheap and nasty…. thanks :)
I have bought from this seller before(normal stock,not rejected/damaged). These belts are great! I wear one every day at work and it has already lasted a few years and still going strong. I've just bought another one ($19 distressed black). Not sure about the rejected stock though
$12.00 less a few pesos for packaging and postage and you have a full grain LCA LC202 leather belt for ~$8. Even with the stated imperfections, that's bargain IMHO.
@OP - does it come with a Leather Craft box?
thanks OP, ordered 2 and got one free, great price.
Can order 2 & get $19 belt free for total of $24!
I suppose it works.
Order one $12, anohter one $19, then I select third one $19, when check out, only need to pay $31. Guess the system only charge the frist 2 and left the thrid one free.
Not 100% sure, but you can try it.
Yes. Works.
Bought 39mm brown $19 belt & got 2 of these for $2.50 each! Total of $24 delivered.3 belts for price of 2 offer on their home page.
3 belts for price of 2 dealWas repairing much dearer hardly worn belt bought from Iconic (faulty stitching - buckle fell off) when this deal appeared.
Too much tightening of belt😀3 belts for $24 is nice👍
Or you can order 2 $19 belts for $28.50 (50% off second belt)
Glad I fell asleep for that one. Looks like jv and infadelity have been hitting the Aldi port as well. Both up for a good old fashioned drunken barney about nothing.
True dat. The read was better than the deal.
indeed!
I had one of these cheap leather belts in the past which seems to be exactly the same one as this. The buckle suddenly fell off but luckily i was home at the time. It's cheap for a reason.
Received 3 belts - seem well constructed. Buckle held on with 2 sets of belt nut & bolt. See deal photo.
Bought a cheap belt from Daiso (Japanese $2.80 shop) & buckle fell off just outside store (got refund)! (I forgot to wear a belt when popped out to shops & found shorts were loose…) Buckle was just gripped onto fabric belt, so tightening it just ripped it off end of belt.
What does the size mean? 40?
It means 40 inches long.
Thanks mate!
It's written in the item's description(link) ;)
"Choosing the right size:
Measure a belt you currently wear.
Measure from where the buckle attaches to the belt (leather wraps around the buckle), to the hole you are currently using.
This measurement is your belt size.
If this measures 42 inches, then order a size 42 belt.
Our belts are sized to the centre hole, so if you buy a size 42 belt; It will be 42 inches from the buckle to the centre hole.
Fitting a belt to the centre hole is important as this gives you the most flexibility with sizing; 2 inches either way."
Two of these belts arrived today (costing $2.50ea with $19 belt). No visible marks or imperfections. Happily wearing one now😉
Didn't realise many of my casual clothes require a wider belt. The $19 39mm is ideal for many. These 32mm belts fit my other clothes much better than my sub-30mm belts.
Correct length (worried I had ordered size too big).
Needed to sign for small package delivered by Postie.
Really impressed! A great bargain👍👍👍
Upvoted deal now as was uncertain earlier of quality & didn't expect much at this price😀Now to look after these leather belts so they last.
I don't believe that is legal under Australian Consumer Law….