Are they not doing well and haven't bounced back yet?
Unfortunately I still won't be touching them with a barge pole….
What's with All The Malaysia Airlines Sales?
NotAnAudiophile on 20/04/2018 - 23:50
Last edited 21/04/2018 - 10:14 by 2 other users
Last edited 21/04/2018 - 10:14 by 2 other users
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Yeah I never fly on them anymore…
Can't pay me enough to get on their shit.Its not just the two crashes, but their interiors are genuinely filthy… Filthy for an airplane…
Unfortunately I still won't be touching them with a barge pole….
thanks for your information.
Where does one even buy a barge pole? I'm yet to find one in deals.
Do they have significantly more sales than other airlines or is it just that your attention is drawn to them because of their recent history?
Are you referring to the planes they keep losing?
Well, it remains to be seen whether the trend will continue or not, but if you revise that to that they have lost, that's correct.
I think it's quite irresponsible, planes are quite big so they should be relatively hard to lose.
@iforgotmysocks: Well one was shot down in an act of war and probably European traffic control has some guilt for that too. For the other my theory is the pilot went rogue, which has happened with other airlines too, look up Germanwings and SilkAir.
Also it wasn't until this incident that it came out that planes weren't continuously tracked everywhere despite it being technically possible. Planes are big but so is the earth. No points to inept Malaysian ground radar for not raising the alarm when the flight turned around.
@greenpossum:
I think they should try not losing planes, maybe that will solve their problem of losing planes.@iforgotmysocks: I don't think anybody wants to lose planes, any more than anybody wants to have car accidents. What do you think they should do? Give their pilots psychological tests? Try to guess where they might get shot down by a missile? Any effective suggestions? Will any of them work on sceptics? Or might it be better to try to entice undecided people with cheaper fares? I mean, this is a marketing decision, not a moral one.
@moneybaby: More like someone who can't think logically. It's meh to me what happens to MH but I like poking holes in poorly thought out arguments.
@Dont Care: They continued (naively perhaps) to allow flights over the war zone. There were other flights nearby. It could easily have been another airline.
@Dont Care: At the time air control thought it was just a ground war and didn't make the Ukraine air space out of bounds for flights. You understand the concept of dangerous zones for flights, like over Syria, e.g. right? They didn't think there would be SAMs in the area. They didn't realise how ruthless Putin is. It's all in the news stories from that time if you want to research further.
@Dont Care: When I write air control I don't mean the actual towers that directed the flights that night, but the air control authorities who decide where it's safe and not safe to fly. These are the people who decide for example whether ash from an Icelandic volcano is cause to shutdown parts or whole of European airspace. You need to think bigger and deeper.
@Dont Care: I'm not in the business of filling in people who can't think beyond a certain point. Anybody with a bit of imagination would realise that because of the complexities international air control has to be an organised and structured affair and there are levels of decision making.
Probably soon Malaysia will become a country without airlines. Can't keep subsidies it forever….
You mean flag carrier. They would still have Air Asia which is far better managed.
And Malindo, and Firefly, and MASwings… Although the later two are Malaysia Airlines subsidiaries, both of which are better than Malaysia Airlines.
it's like Qantas , national pride to keep it afloat with bailouts
I think there may be Malays on this thread?
will never fly this airline no matter what. i recently missed a connecting flight whilst on holiday, could've jumped on a MA flight in an hours time, but thought i want to have a holiday so waited 8 hours for another company flight
So did the flight you elected not to fly, disappear, or did you just waste 8 hours of your life?
making this post so the alternative flight did it's job
Agree. please everyone do not fly with them.
Wife is Malaysian and I have family that are/were involved with the airline (hostess, pilot, external management consultant, friends of politicians etc). Hear a few stories, which we can believe or not, but based on the level of corruption in Malaysia I personally believe 100%.
Story 1: A board member set up a "consultancy" business to sell parts to MAS. Plane tires cost $20k but he charges the airline $60k.
Story 2: Another dodgy deal supplying eggs to the catering arm. Not 10 sen or even 50 sen. Was charging $4 per egg.
Story 3: After the tragic incidents discussed above, all staff (except the top brass) has their lifetime benefits revoked (which can be standard practice during bankruptcy), but they were selective who got a payout, who didn't, and who lost their benefits. Hostesses had to "prove" why they should be kept on (interpret that as you will).I should note that my management consultant family member was in a discussion with the board and they were openly discussing how "it was your turn last month" and my turn now to set up a shelf company to rort the airline as per stories 1-2. CEO Christoph Mueller was so horrified at the level of corruption he resigned fearing it would ultimately impact on not only profitability and safety.
Now the airline is in government hands and out of the spotlight of the Malaysian stock exchange (compulsory reporting etc). It'll continue to be used and abused but a lot worse than before. It won't fade away, just downsize as word spreads on its decline in quality, and continually propped up by the poor Malaysian taxpayer.
I fly to Malaysia a lot. Never had an issue with Air Asia although I have heard of some safety concerns with intra-Asia flights. I had fantastic experiences with Malindo (for direct) and Garuda (via Bali/Jakarta) who have really turner their airline around.
Wouldn't surprise me in a kleptocracy that caused 1MDB.
They've probably decided to fly higher.