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Would this be good for cache on the Synology?
Only if the Synology supports Optane, which I dont think they do
I think you are talking about an SSD cache drive
Maybe I got it confused, thinking of the Synology DS918+ with the dual m2 slots. not sure of their exact application though
While optane uses the M.2 interface, it's not an M.2 drive
It needs special BIOS support and drivers
@nobarginsarehere: I think it requires Z270 board (Kaby Lake) and newer. I waited during Skylake for Kaby Lake before I got a new PC, just for it to be compatible with Optane. But when I finally learned about it, all I could ask was.. why?
Kaby is such a minor upgrade over Skylake it was not worth waiting the 18 months.
$38 at MSY regular price
This is the stuff that's being touted as a cache drive for SSDs, right?
cache for HDD. It's meant as an alternative to an SSD.
But it's a bad idea.
No its a good idea. There is a huge section of the market that needs bigger drives, but cant afford the huge costs of large SSDs. Cheap mechanical drives coupled with a small amount of cache to reduce Windows/App load times is perfect for those users.
Sure a single massive SSD is better, but this is cheaper and plenty good enough.
Don't go in expecting your 2TB HDD to perform as fast as an SSD.
Modest sized SSD + big HDD works better than this setup and won't break the bank.
It's not "plenty good enough". It's only a cache for your HDD. Like an SSHD. Maybe you might want to try one of those. It's no substitute for an SSD boot drive.
This is 16GB for $37. That's very expensive per GB. You can buy a 256GB drive for $100 or therabouts and you will get better performance than this caching combo.
Yep except in the real world most businesses dont want to deal with whitebox Frankenstein systems with multiple drives, they want the simplest device, that gives better than HDD performance with HDD sizes, and will pay a small premium for it. No where did I say its the equivalent of a pure SSD system.
I doesn't matter if the pr0n watching, linux ISO downloading brigade dont see a use for it, this will work a treat in the business sector.
Yep except in the real world most businesses dont want to deal with whitebox Frankenstein systems
I don't understand how you can see two drives as a frankenstein system. It's the same number of drives as this setup.
No where did I say its the equivalent of a pure SSD system.
I didn't say that you said it was the equivalent of a pure SSD system. I'm telling people not to think this. Many will be mislead into thinking it is an SSD alternative.
this will work a treat in the business sector.
Just who this web site was made for I guess. The sector that can afford SSDs.
This optane cache setup I suspect is for HDD users who can't justify SSD prices (quite a niche when all but the most budget laptops have SSDs standard now). I find that odd given how cheap they are now, and the business sector is the last sector I would expect to be unwilling to pay for SSDs.
@ddr0001:
It's the same old Intel rapid response technology which allows ssd caching for hdd. Just rebranded with a proprietary hardware.I don't understand why you get neg over this.
From my experience supporting normal non tech users with multiple drive and single drive, single drive environment is much easier to support. It also make managing, installation, backup and audit much easier.
For myself, I prefer multiple drives over single drive.
It's the same number of drives as this setup.
Two drives appear as two drives (raid excepted), optane plus hard drive appear as single drive.
intel missed the boat ….. was targeted as cache for spindle based systems but so many people have ssd drives that there is no real benefit….
Exactly. They arrived at a time when most people had already moved onto SSDs. If they came out the same time when SSDs were new and too expensive for all but the enthusiast, it would have been a viable alternative.
They do have a genuine alternative to SSD in the form of 800p now (not a caching solution), only problem is it's expensive, and the capacity is small, so it's still an inferior alternative to the SSD all things considered.
It actually still has quite the role to play on larger systems such as NAS drives or backblaze absolutely love it in their storage systems.
Its not really made for the consumer market, more storage systems like Dropbox.
Cache for HDDs is my understanding. Im starting to see HP ProDesks come into stock with 16GB Optane Cache, all of them are in systems with HDDs.
Can bring an older mechanical drive up towards SSD performance through caching. Can also be a blazing-fast boot drive, or a highly-reliable scratch disk or an adjunct to server cache.
Lots of ways to utilise it, but its endurance numbers are insane and its read and write speeds outpace PCIe SSDs (sequential reads/writes excluded).
Calling it RAM is something of a misnomer, however.
As a boot drive, you're not going to do much with 16GB.
it's not a boot drive. It speeds up your cache.
True enough, but it would cover a Win 10 installation. The 32 and 64 GB versions are better suited to this, however.
I don’t get the point of Optane Memory.
It has gone nowhere since release. No-one gives a crap about it.
The roll-out has been very slow. Now that the big manufacturers are starting to release systems with integrated Optane it will start to take off.
Would you notice any difference if you have an SSD?
I doubt it.
Optane Memory was probably designed when SSDs were expensive, now it makes no sense for the consumer anyway.
In rack servers ? Maybe
Its not aimed at people with SSDs. So that is irrelevant.
Its for users who need big storage. We sell a lot of PCs to people/biz who have bucket-loads of photos, music, vids etc. They need min 1TB which means a HDD if you are trying to keep the costs reasonable. These users were stuck with slow mechanical performance, now they have an option to significantly increase load times while still keeping the bigger mechanical drives.
And yes, there will be a lot of server applications as well.
Its not aimed at people with SSDs. So that is irrelevant.
SSDs are so affordable now, that there's not much of a market for systems without it.
Its for users who need big storage.
Even SSD users need big storage. They just put non-speed-critical stuff like their movies and music on the HDD. That doesn't need to be on an SSD or cache. What needs to be on fast storage is the OS and apps. But 16GB is insufficient for that.
If you have a desktop with SSD, you're still going to need that HDD. You're comparing the Optane + HDD setup with a 1TB or 2TB SSD setup and that's a false analogy. People aren't getting expensive 2TB SSDs as an alternative to this. They are getting 256/512GB SSDs and a big HDD as usual. This system will run better than the Optane setup, especially if you play games.
But with Optane memory only 16GB you won’t “significantly increase load times” on random data.
You may on the OS but really, these days the least of your problems in OS I/O performance. Even on hardrives.
@SamR: If you have a 2TB or 4TB HDD as your boot drive, there's no way 16GB of Optane memory can be adequate cache for such a drive. It will cache the parts of the drive you use most, and not do much for the rest of that drive. It wouldn't even serve ddr0001's theoretical use case (those wanting to speed up a massive HDD) because most of what's on that massive HDD isn't going to be sped up, unless it is accessed regularly enough. But if all of that HDD is being accessed equally regularly, the 16GB cache is going to be overworked. When you prioritize one part and speed it up, you have to deprioritize another part.
@ddr0001:
Is it still restricted to a certain gen of CPU?
If it worked for older gens whilst using a PCI to M.2 adapter then I may consider this but :/
Don't think it does :(?@nicholsonr: If I'm not mistaken, you need a Z270 board or newer. That's the board introduced with Kaby Lake. It might also support other 270s, not necessarily a Z.
Correction: It's any 200 series motherboard. But it requires a 7th gen Intel processor or newer. So a Skylake CPU on a 200 series M/B will not support Optane.
Optane Requires a 7th Generation Intel Processor
Yup. Intel wants you to upgrade to a 7th generation, Kaby Lake processor. There’s no reason, either. Well, other than the fact that Intel wants you to purchase a new processor.
Intel’s cache booster version of Optane requires a new Intel motherboard. There’s nothing special about Optane that would necessitate using a new motherboard. They just want you to upgrade to a — minimum — 200-series motherboard. That’s Intel’s latest.
At the time they launched this, it required the latest gen CPU and M/B. Needless to say, if you can afford to keep up with the latest gear, why would you still be booting off HDD? Someone budget conscious, still on an older system and too cheap to upgrade to SSD would not even be able to use this because they don't have the latest CPU.
1TB SSDs are not that expensive now. In a year or two they will almost be standard.
Spend your money there.
You can get SATA based 1TBs fairly cheap. 1TB nvme SSD is not cheap though. At the moment I don't need that much fast storage. But when they become very cheap in a few years, you may as well.
I'm doing fine with my 512GB 960 Pro. It's never more than half full. The only thing on it that takes up large space is the games, and I only have a few installed at a time because I don't play more than one game at a time.
For large capacity, HDD is still fine. The stuff I store on HDD is not speed critical. Even a cache would not improve my performance on that storage, because it's all random access. If it's something I access regularly, it will be on my SSD drive. So the Optane does nothing for me.
@lostn:
I have an intel 4930k 6/12 thread processor which is using the 2011 socket Enthusiast board.
This is a high price board even if old so… that's why I don't want to buy all new equipment/socket etc as this is still on DDR3.Also it's fully watercooled so the money and time to do this is… substantial.
Because it's expensive per GB, and doesn't outperform the thing it is meant to be an alternative to.
It's the first successful foray into the next generation beyond today's NAND configs, and it's rapidly becoming affordable.
The fact that it can genuinely replace spindle hard drives in terms of longevity while having no mechanical wear is basically the future of digital storage. That its performance characteristics start to resemble RAM is of huge benefit to anyone looking to crunch data of any kind.
Intel actually has a new Optane based SSD (800p) which is blazing fast but also super expensive per GB and small. It's 59GB and 118GB. Who is it for? That's the $1 million question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWqO36Zj65k
This one is used like an SSD, not a caching drive. But with capacities like that, you better not be a gamer.
10 Reasons Why Intel’s Bleeding-Edge Optane Drive Is a Rip-Off
Cache Drives Aren’t Magical
Intel’s marketing department believes Optane is a world-class accelerator for regular HDDs. What blows this myth out of the water are the performance comparisons between computers that use non-3D XPoint SSDs alongside HDDs. They are close in performance to Optane cache drives combined with HDDs. But that’s hardly the least flattering comparison.
What Intel doesn’t mention is that RAM can function as a cache drive, with the right software. We refer to this arrangement as a RAM disk. On desktops with spare RAM slots, it’s possible to purchase 16 GB of RAM for about $50 ($6 more than Optane’s MSRP) and create a significantly faster cache drive that doesn’t suffer from wear limitations.
This was when ram was cheap….
The reasons written by the author are conflicting each other. The worst reason is he treated optane as regular drive and compared the per gig price. But then he wrote that optane is not a regular drive.
He also wrote about RAM drive as cache drive not realising that they are totally different things. A regular RAM can be configured as a drive faster than any possible drive but will not speed up the performance of say 8T mechanical drive. RAM drive is like Michael Phelps swimming individual event and optane us like a traffic coordinator predicting traffic, managing traffic light, allowing a bottle neck traffic to flow faster.
Optane only works for spindle hard drives, not SSDs and only if the drive is your boot drive
Linus Tech Tips did a run down on them, worth a watch if you are considering buying
IMHO save your money and get an M.2 NAND flash drive
Optane is just as fast as a M2 drive, so you will get some benefit using with an SSD, but not much and unlikely to be noticable!
If you use SQL server 2016, it is a huge boost! Have not seen anything in Svr2016 or Hyper-V that utilises this directly, although a Svr2016 on Hyper-V can still have direct access to this for SQL, and not crash if motioned away. (performance improvement significant, as common indexes stored on optane)
For a desktop with large HDD perhaps?
Optane ONLY accelerates spindle drives, not SSD drives; you will get zero benefit using optane with SSDs
this is sounds like a new take on the cachememory boost concept all the way back in 2007 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-robson-technology,296… those so called robson memory boost of 1GB SSD cache. I had that in my own cutting edge PC at the time. Dont feel much faster and Windows 8 stop supporting that… WTF render my purchase useless.
This time it is similar concept yet again but 16 to 32 times the size… ?
old idea and concepts never dies away, like fashion, comes back once every couple of years? You decided lol.
I do agree this would be benefiting for NAS hardware in terms of access speed for certain files in certain situations… but then it is not much of use if one can set up a M2 plus Sata SSD cross board setup even with dated 256G first two gen old drives in those slots.
Unless off course one needs 8TB drive to store and access faster on whatever gold they got that would make them millions in the stock market…
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