Are You Going to Delete Facebook?

With the recent revelation of the massive data leak to Cambridge Analytica by Facebook as reported by the New York Times from the whistleblower Christopher Wylie, who's had his Facebook account suspended, and potentially Australians being effected, what's your take on this? Are you going to #DeleteFacebook?

EDIT: Just wanted to point Ed Snowden’s tweet regarding this: “Businesses that make money by collecting and selling detailed records of private lives were once plainly described as "surveillance companies." Their rebranding as "social media" is the most successful deception since the Department of War became the Department of Defense.”

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  • 138
    Yes
  • 262
    No
  • 13
    Deactivate
  • 49
    Wait for a while

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      • +2

        Yeah, I don't trust turning off location settings. That's where the value is. I'm sure they harvest everything. If they get caught… they just say 'oops… sorry.' And the world moves on.

    • This is the best solution. Facebook has become so battery consuming that I had to uninstall. Interesting fact is the number of permission it requires to function.

      I wont deactivate as I will continue using their messenger on PC but otherwise… I am off.

      • You can keep using messenger if u deactivate.

  • +4

    getting sick and more sick each day. full of useless posts, ads, and spams

    • +1

      got that impression already from your username.

  • +2

    lol, I've been there and to be honest, not much of a chatter box; last time I used it was in 2014, account deleted now and as Scrooge McDuck stated, only have a stub account with a random name to acquire any freebies or the other odds that require it…

    Any facebook accounts under my name are all fakes or of different individuals! :P

  • +2

    do people really don't know every website they go to takes as much info as they can for 3rd party companies? although 10000% more on social media

    • …not unless asked for…?

    • +1

      Might just start using TOR and duck duck go.

  • +2

    OMG, Facebook is spying on me, how intrusive! Siri, delete Facebook. Google home, block all apps. Laptop webcam, some tape for you my friend.

    • +4

      Almost every online company spies on you. But Facebook looked the other way when Cambridge Analytica ran away with their data. Plausible deniability, which is even worse in this case.

    • Sweet, now it's just the xiaomi products spying on you

  • +7

    Don't forget that Zuckerberg willingly assisted the Pakistani government in identifying a "blasphemer" and the condemned individual is now awaiting execution.

    Zuckerberg has actively defiled the privacy of his users and is aiding an unlawful killing issued due to a state that has no freedom of expression.

    Not an isolated incident.

    • +7

      Back in 2002 when Zuckerberg was still at Harvard developing the platform:

      Zuckerberg: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard … Just ask.
      Friend: What? How’d you manage that one?
      Zuckerberg: People just submitted it. I don’t know why. They “trust me”. Dumb f**ks.

      Source: news.com.au

      • +3

        He creates a platform that evolved into a mechanism that allows people to be bullied and even assisted in condemning people to executions. He knowingly did this and he still knowingly allows Facebook to do it.

        On the other hand, Russ Ulbritch, made a platform that allows people to trade commodities that are already being traded regardless, received a multi lifetime sentence without parole. The cops that were found guilty if assisting him only served a Max of 6 years with parole.

        People are stupid to surrender their privacy to companies and government.

        • +1

          …. yyyyeeeeaaah Dread Pirate Roberts isn't so much in jail for having a black market website. It was more about him taking out hits on people to keep control over said black market website.

        • +3

          @freakatronic:
          Taking out hits but no bodies.

          One of the "kills" was staged.

          The other five, he didn't even know their faces and couldn't possibly know if it took place. He got scammed.

          He isn't without fault and he should serve time for soliciting a hitman.

          Zuckerberg knew the Pakistani government imposes death penalties for "blasphemers" yet willingly aided the indentification of Facebook users resulting in said death penalty.

          At least Ulbritch recognized his crime and took personal responsibility. Zuckerberg probably doesn't see anything wrong with what he has done (judging by no change in policy to reflect any concern). The worst of humanity are those who believe their atrocities to be charity.

        • +3

          @tshow: The big difference is who they help. Zuck loves the government, and wants to grow it. He's a socialist and a globalist. Government loves this kind of guy. Rich, subservient, and also an evangelist for laws and systems that keep everyone thinking and saying the same stuff.
          Ulbricht is a libertarian. Governments hate libertarians more than anyone. They're on the same level as tax evaders in the eyes of government.
          So it doesn't matter what both of these guys did. It only matters what they think, and what they represent. Zuck represents the perfect billionaire - a willing government lapdog. Ulbricht is the opposite, and any government would be overjoyed to find an excuse to lock up someone who thinks as he does.

        • +1

          @freakatronic:
          Precisely.

          I didn't understand 2nd ammendment rights and civilian firearms until I identified all the political crap thrusted onto me from school, university, news, TV shows…

  • +3

    Since I'm not a narcissist I never really used the platform to begin with.

    But if you've ever been a backpacker it's almost impossible to get photos of you from the temporary friends you've made around the world unless you've joined Facebook or whatever is popular these days.

    You can quickly get photos of yourself using this Chrome extension (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/facebook-backup-do…) but since Facebook tagging became uncool many years ago you now have to go through your friends list manually to save your cherished memories. In yet another cloud that doesn't go the way of Megaupload.

    • +1

      I think facebook lets you download your archive which includes all the photos, posts, messages and all.

      • +1

        Read peter's post again

  • +1

    only using it to organise events with friends

    • +1

      Open invite parties??? #corey_worthington

      • for holiday travel, I still have a well functioning brain between my ears.. rip corey

        • I read that and thought that he'd died. Now I've contributed to his Alexa ratings! Look what you made me do!

  • +3

    Unfortunately they still track you with a "ghost" profile even if you don't have an account so I'm not going to deactivate.

    What I have done though is minimised my usage and refused to click on any "news" that's shared in my feed.

    I generally find spending more time on FB doesn't make me happier so less than 10 minutes a couple times a week is more than enough for me.

    • +3

      the concept of social media where people post the best part of their lives, was never meant to make you happy. It's a good way to communicate/stay connected, but people have done that for 2004 years before, and I think we can do so again.

      • +9

        Hopefully, of course FB realised this and bought Whatsapp, Instagram and pushed everyone on FB messenger so even if you just wanted to communicate you were still relying on them.

        I feel a decade ago when Facebook was just getting started you could have spontaneous interactions with friends that weren’t run through the filter of “what will my boss, grandmother, cricket club and peers think of this” which was genuinely fun, now days it’s just a echo chamber of everyone humble bragging about the best parts of their life.

        • +4

          I stopped using Facebook when I realised how envious it made my friends that I have a folder called "expensive things" that I have taken pictures next to.

        • +1

          Deadset. I hate the mindset that “if it’s not on snapchat/instagram, then it didn’t happen”
          How about I enjoy the moment and not worry about my phone & not showing it off to others?

        • @FUBR: i share the same sentiment with regards to people holding their phone/tablet to record a concert. How about just enjoy the moment.

        • +1

          Totally agree here. I remember the good old times when we were still on myspace and facebook was emerging. I would comment on girls walls with random phrases like 'girl, you got an a$$ that won't quit' WITHOUT the fear of my aunties, sister in law's grandmother, mum, 40-50 year old senior family members et al seeing what i'm doing..

          Now it's all airport check in's, holiday snaps, kids awards at school and memes. Some good, some crap. still love the brain numbing-ness for a few mins a day never the less! Us 30-somethings need a new hub - somewhere just cool like the early 2000s social media platforms

      • Because people only saw the best highlights of people's daily lives, they incorrectly assumed that person's life was far better in quality than their own ALL the time and made it appear they were doing very well.

        And you also see photos of parties that you didn't get invited to LOL

        Also, i'm not going to delete it since I know a few people still use it and it's the only way I have any contact with them. I rarely use it however. Once a week at most.

      • people have done that for 2004 years before

        Did you just imply that humanity came into being in 14AD?

  • I don't use it that much as it is. I use messenger but that's it.

    Can you please link other sources than newspapers and journalists who do this for a living?
    According to (journalist who is after a good story) there was a massive data leak which potentially (according to a sensationalist media website) could affect Australians.
    I've given just as much out to surveys as I have to FB.

  • I have never signed up to this book thing you speak of.. have i missed anything?

    Am i too old …38.. to use it?

    Instead I can use glass hellshrieber at around 40 words per minute to send messages, that should be safe.. as soon as it is received the other end its gone forever.

    • +1

      you're officially old enough to use facebook.

  • +6

    The number of people sitting on public transport every day glued to their facebook accounts makes me sad for the state of humanity.

    • What till they have holographic projection screens. Now you'll be able to see what they're doing on facebook, reading about how pissed someone is that they missed the train by 5 seconds and now have to wait 25 mins for the next one.

  • -1

    No. It's an effective tool for what I need it to do. It's good for partaking in niche interest communities, It's relatively convenient for BSS groups, and it's a decent enough platform to use to message people I want to keep in contact with.

    I'm willing to be advertised to in order to have someone host this service for free. A half measure regarding privacy, but I will never install the Facebook/Messenger app on my phone. They don't need access my phone data. Worth mentioning that you can still message people by going to m.facebook.com and setting your browser to view site as a desktop site.

    • +2

      I'm willing to be advertised

      Don't think it works that way. They spy on your activity, curate contents according to that and whisper into your ears until you follow their direction. Have a look at Chris Wiley's interview with The Guardian.

      • I should be worried of people like that freak show masterminding what beer I drink and where I get my news?

      • What do you think advertising is? It's people trying to influence your decision making process based on demographics, they are just better at it now than they used to be because the tools allow them to hone in 100x on your demographic.

  • I get the theory behind why it's so bad, but I don't get deleting your fb account, it won't change anything, only legislation and regulation can do that. There's nothing to hide on my account, and I don't see why anybody would save any of their time by deleting it, I spend 5 minutes once a day on it. Wanna talk about targeted ads and such? Google already does it better, I can search for a product online and 10 minutes later have it in an advertisement on some other website. Besides, I can't think of any other actually useful social platform, other than perhaps WeChat which my husband and his family/friends use, and that doesn't help with finding people you lost touch with.

    • Those google ads your referring to are creepy. I turned off my cookies or something to stop them but the first website I went to said you cant access this page because you have your cookies off ??? I guess i'll have to deal with the ads. The ads are one thing but what about a machine that listens to everything you say

  • I’m not a celebrity. No ones cares about my “private” life. I just don’t imclude DOB and stupid ID like that in my fb profile.

  • Got rid of it years ago ill never go back

  • +1

    I deactivated yesterday, kept messenger though; so half measure. I figure i'll miss the memes and Facebook Marketplace.

  • +2

    Deactivated 3 months ago and eventually forgot my password. Now reactivated with password reset and requested account deletion. :D
    Hours saved from FB-ing is half spent on ozbargain and phone calling loved ones back home!

  • +1

    I never joined Facebook in the first place. I don't really miss not using it. I watch relatives who are glued to their phones. My sister in law uses her phone more than a dozen times while watching a movie, and then asks questions about the plot or characters. It's basically like an addiction.

    What does surprise me however is that anyone is shocked that their FB details are being collated, bought and sold, and analysed to manipulate you as much as possible. Usually it's to do with buying a certain product, but for some reason people are upset that someone's analyzing them for political gain.

    People are willingly putting their entire lives on FB. All your friends and family contacts, where you've been and where you're going, what you're reading (thus your political views). It's a walled garden where you need to log in to use anything on FB, so FB tracks everything you do.

  • +2

    Anyone who owns Xiaomi home automation gear would be blown away by the amount of data leakage. I set up Pi-Hole and noticed hundreds of outgoing connections a day to 'app.chat.xiaomi.net'

  • +1

    Tinder still requires Facebook, so there's that….

  • +1

    feel free to sell or leak my data…it is of little value to me . I dont care what they want to do with it. I don't post anything that is sensitive anyway.

    • This is my thought too, not a big deal, people blow this kind of thing out of proportion

    • You don't have to post anything for Facebook to build a very accurate profile of who you are. If you are using Facebook, they will be able to track you online irrespective of your posting to Facebook. For instance, nearly all websites you visit will have Facebook JavaScript code on it which will send data back to Facebook. So if you visit a particular porn site, they will know. If you look for a cure for that nasty disease your uncle has, they will know. If you want to read that interesting article about ingesting or smoking illicit substances, they will know.

      Facebook and Google probably know you better than you know yourself and have a far better memory (storage is cheap) and no reason to ever delete any data they gather on you. Why should they? They are in the business of amassing your data and then selling it.

      Same applies to Google. Use at your own peril.

  • -2

    If I read another status from someone posting #deletefacebook can you just do it already and get off my feed. I'm there for the memes and social interaction, not your perceived political agenda against Facebook, enjoy your introvert lifestyle.

    • -1

      "enjoy your introvert lifestyle"

      That's just nuts. People have been socialising, sharing, talking, dancing, drinking, discussing, having sex for thousands of years before Facebook came onto the scene. You think that life without Facebook means an introvert lifestyle? I'd actually counter that point: because I'm not on Facebook I have a lot more time to meet people face to face (and when I do, I'm not staring at my phone like a bloody disconnected zombie). And those people I meet are my actual friends too (not the twisted Facebook version). Topsy turvy world indeed.

  • I'm honestly surprised people have only started to become aware of this, it's been assumed the case for years.

    • and the fact that facebook knew about this for 2 years and kept quiet makes it even worse. they never failed to send a notification about my neighbour's uncle's eldest sister-in-law's grandson's dog's birthday, but failed to do so in this case.

      • Just before we continue let me explain what my understanding of this is.

        The leaks relate to API access, where third party apps can access information with the users permission. The user is prompted on Facebook and told what information the app wants, with the option to accept or cancel. Examples of this are things like "your email address", "your public posts", "your friends list", etc.

        Around the time there was many apps individuals were using which would do things like revealing who you have the longest conversation with (done by counting messages sent to each contact). This app requested access to your messages, allowing the third party full access to all of your private conversations.

        Other examples involve rating your "best post", which would require full access to view your wall posts, bypassing privacy settings.

        Now, the issue is the fact your friends can give full access to all their friends profiles as per their level of access. This means even your posts which are shared with only friends may be seen by these companies if your friends access the apps and allow these third parties access to their friends post. This has been an issue I talked about years ago though - the reality is no one really cared… Until there was politics involved, suddenly everyone cares.

        tl;dr: It's not a leak - your friends allowed companies access to your posts.
        Facebook didn't sell your data.
        Your data wasn't leaked.
        Your friends gave third parties access to your wall posts.*
        The widespread backlash is due to political bullshit^ and media fearmongering.

        *I believe this is legal as you've agreed your friends can access the posts and your friends have then given a third party access, idk though. Nothing knew though.

        ^ie speculation it altered outcome of the US election and brexit. They were already going after the research companies, this is just the next level of their targetted attacks.

  • +1

    I dislike Facebook generally but this is so overblown. Just dont share info you dont want to be collected. If you fill in every box or enter data that you expect to be private even though others are set to see it, then you are a lunatic.

    This company simply scraped data from those shitty quiz apps which require permission to view your whole profile and all your friends, which the afacevook API allows for. There is nothing sophisticated in the way they collect data.

    • +1

      let me put it this way, it's not just the data you share publicly/privately in facebook, it is ALSO your chat logs that got scraped. that's a massive breach of privacy.

      • +1

        How? Install Malware browser extension which scrapes it? That's not exactly Facebook's fault.

        Personally, I think that this is a scare campaign instigated by US Democrats who are butthurt about how Trump got elected because they didn't use Social Media as effectively as he did, so they are trying to turn people away from Facebook and towards "Mainstream" news sources, which is easier to control for less money.

  • If data leaks then were all in the same boat, so it won’t be so bad.

  • I find it amazing that people think they can "delete" their own data on Facebook. Even moreso when the company just got busted breaking data handling rules. When you delete it you are making it invisible to you, but who knows if Facebook is holding on to it. I bet if law enforcement requested it, it would still be available.

    Either accept that the information you provide on any social media anywhere on the Internet is not private, even though not globally accessible to the entire world, or never put that data there in the first place. Sure turn off your location services so they don't have a record of every place you've ever been with your phone, but every single thing you post is still being made available to the company.

    I don't have a problem with that. We'll see if that bites me in the long run but it's a tradeoff I make to stay in contact with people I never would remain in contact with otherwise. I have no desire to go back to the bad old days when a letter might take a month to arrive and a phonecall would cost $50.

    • True. Thing you post, share on Internet, nothing is private whether you put only you or share to all people, it will stay there for fb.

    • the tradeoff between convenience and security depends/varies person to person. i don't think we have to go back to the good ol' days of sending ravens/pigeons, but using a service which has End-to-End encryption is safe enough, for now.

      • Who's doing the encryption? If you are with a 3rd party program, and you're up to date on all your security patches you MIGHT be okay. Then again if a bug is found and the data has been stored it's possible it will be unencrypted later. If the company providing you with the service is also providing the encryption, I wouldn't bet on no back doors.

  • +1

    I don't get what with all the fuss? Isn't the phone you use, your wechat, whatapp, whatever social media you pick, fall into the same tree? Google and apple is the same as Facebook and other big as company. They provide you free service but you are the cow they milking! Its been that way long ago, it just people don't realise until now.

    • +2

      what about ozbargain?

      • You never know ;)!

        • dam**t, I checked ozbargain more often than I check FB, I'm doomed…

        • @h4zey: we're all doom buddy but one can't say no to bargain

        • @asianbargain: well at least we are getting the bargain aye..

      • What about ozbargain?

        Is it a free service? If yes…. you get the picture.

        But, for me, the real issue with OZB is my lack of self control and ended up buying things I don't need.

        • nothing is free :)

  • +2

    I haven't touched my Facebook in over a decade. But convenience trumps security and privacy for the common folk so until everyone's private chat logs are leaked for the world to see, they don't care.

    • agreed. the tradeoff between convenience and security depends/varies person to person. for some it's a big deal, some don't care.

  • +2

    Apparently, there is the perception that I don't have a 'life' because I don't post all of my outings, foods I eat, where I go, check in, like posts.

    Then suddenly when I post or check in, people realise I'm alive and want to hang out with me again.

    Society is becoming very, very sad. I felt this peer pressure to keep with the times, but thought (profanity) it, can't be bothered. Gonna do what I love and not need to share it with 'friends' on facebook whom half don't really care about my existence.

    How many of those 500 friends do you see a year?? I doubt even once.

    • I feel you.

    • Yes this is what I have noticed. People forget about you if you're not on FB. But this is actually a very good filter you find out who your real friends are.

  • Wouldn't visit Facebook at all if not for the fact so many businesses and other organisations now use it as their primary or sole outlet for news and updates. If I wanted to read, for example, that my local SES was distributing sandbags at a particular location in advance of a severe weather event, I had to be checking Facebook.

    I would like to know what you guys use to reliably deal with their aggressive, adblock-resistant login nags that impose themselves even on 'public' pages. The various ad blocker rules I've tried in the past either didn't work, broke functionality or soon stopped working after Facebook made changes.

    • The NSW SES Twitter page updates constantly. Almost all NSW/VIC services are on twitter and you call follow them without giving away your private info.

      • Not even close in terms of local relevancy, which is true generally - SES units, police area commands, community organisations, small businesses, etc. have a much greater presence on Facebook. My local SES has been churning out updates on Facebook in the past few days, yet hasn't updated Twitter since 2017 (and the neighbouring unit doesn't even have a Twitter).

    • +1

      Basically use it for the same reason, (although just for keeping in touch with some people and TAFE group that shouldn't exist for the course but does… so almost necessary to check it occasionally).

      So want to know how to block literally anything on Facebook or anywhere else? Download uMatrix if you want to go all out, takes some effort/learning to use it though (https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix). Basically disable everything and re-enable things till it functions but disable things again to see if they are actually necessary don't leave everything enabled just cause now it works. (this explains if uMatrix breaks anything which it does some times do and doesn't appear to have a fix when you allow all, turns out other things in uMatrix might be causing it that are fixable, so as I said fair bit of learning curve: https://www.reddit.com/r/uMatrix/comments/70qmih/is_umatrix_…). You can also lock the changes so it remembers those changes in the future. Also for cookies a good option is Privacy Badger (https://www.eff.org/privacybadger). Sort of same idea this sort of learns by itself what should be or should not be blocked, it's all explained better on the site.

      • uMatrix is phenomenal, but harder to use for people with little understanding of how websites are built up. By far the best tool for anyone who values their privacy/security online. Once installed I have never looked back.

  • I'm glad I deleted facebook ages ago, Why would anyone willingly put their info into a website?

    • the same reason why people show off. they need to feel good about themselves.

  • deleted it at the start of the year was pretty inactive on it since 2012 tho so i had not become too reliant on its platform.

  • Don’t use Facebook

    • +1

      Same. The only time it's bothered me, is when there's been a deal that needs to be done through FB.

      No FB = more OB.

  • Might as well then delete all social media, messaging apps, google ect…if you dig a little you'll find a common theme among all these big tech companies. They all products of worlds most advanced cybersecurity nation.

    The only diff is one has bern outed for one reason or another. Youll be neive to think that others havnt bern doing the same. Your data is worth Gold.

    Theres nothing we can do unfortunately, delete one app and theres dozens more that track you.

    https://youtu.be/ca-C3voZwpM

  • I never joined. It is my belief that Facebook is eroding the interpersonal skill of entire generations - we will have kids who can not look one another in the eye and converse. (and do not get me started on the dangers associated with unsupervised use by young kids who give out all manner of private information without a thought as to what it is being used for). I have banned it in my home and have found increasing numbers of friends and colleagues who are doing the same. Get rid of it and GET YOUR OWN LIFE back. Blogging, Vlogging and twittering etc are also time wasting, mind numbing and intellect sapping. LIVE PEOPLE, LIVE.

  • meh.

    1. all my friends use it for group chats, events.
    2. i barely even look through my news feed. i laugh at memes now and then though
    3. i spend like 15 minutes in total on it per day.

    i'm not even bothered by facebook being able to read my private messages, even the steamy ones when talking to my wife

  • +2

    your freedom has gone - you gave it away- you will not get it back now.

    • cool, no need to worry about it then.

  • +1

    So ive considered deleting Facebook and was about to do it today. Only issue is all the other programs / websites / apps i have logged in through via Facebook. It seems there is no way of transferring an account over to an email address log in. So essentially, they have you trapped in their world, otherwise you will need to resign up to every website you're connect to via Facebook and start again.

  • +1

    Get a life kids. FB is rubbish. Spend more time on OzB :-)

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