Looking at buying - Peugeot 3008 GT Line or Land Rover Discovery Sport td150/180?

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  Froot Loops on 26/02/2018 - 23:49

  +7

  SHould have an option for neither. Both have poor reliability. Have you looked at the Kluger or Sorento or Santa Fe. Check out John codgan's videos. At least he speaks out. Also I'm an ex mechanic, with many friends in industry.

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    aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 06:39

    +1

    Cheers. Will check him out. We looked at the Tucson as it was in the size we needed. The ones you mentioned are a little too big for us. We also test drove the xtrail

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  John Kimble on 26/02/2018 - 23:53

  +4

  Can you even resell Peugeots?

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    pegaxs on 27/02/2018 - 08:16

    +2

    Same for Land Rover…

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      Oz8argain on 27/02/2018 - 10:56

      +4

      Yes you can for both. Wreckers should be able to take them in for cash. The cash is for the 4 tires if they have good treads left

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        pegaxs on 27/02/2018 - 10:58

        +3

        Land Rover Discovery Sport is made out of Aluminium and plastic, so you should be able to take it to the "Return and Earn" station and get your 10c back…

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  birdhouse on 27/02/2018 - 00:48

  Buy the peugeot! Looks great and nothing but good reviews.

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    birdhouse on 27/02/2018 - 10:47

    Now that you have updated with more info I see your problem, you only have the one car. My wife and I had a Golf GTI as our one car for a few years and that went everywhere on road and fit everything until we had a child and couldn't put that extra seat down. We have a Tiguan now with 2 kids and now I can't put any seats down there isn't that much room in the boot, especially for long items and taller items you then need to take the cover off. But it would be great without those seats taken up all the time.

    I'm not sure what you mean by adamant not to get a mum car, Every car you have listed is a medium size SUV and most soft roaders which is considered a mum car in my eyes. If you mean a large SUV 7 seater then yeah that's a bit overkill.

    The fact you are driving off road I think changes everything, you will most likely need something with AWD and some height clearance.

    Maybe a Tiguan 132tsi comfortline (luxurypack or not) or adventure, A bit more power then the 3008 but with AWD and around the same price. They both got the same score in the latest wheels magazine but the tig is a bit quicker off the line.

    How big is the dog? Best of luck!

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      aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 11:39

      My wife's from Texas where she has been used to driving couple of Mustang GT's and of course big ass trucks! and we both agreed that we dont want a 7 seater, but something that doesnt look like a pick up SUV. She fell in love with the looks of the Peugeot 3008, I have to give it to the French, it certainly is a looker.

      The discovery sport is bigger, has 4x4, servicing is free upto 7 years and also has 2 seats at the back foldable.

      The dog is just a small one, a cairn terrier. When my parents come, even picking them up from the airport is an issue with anything smaller. thats why I am keen on the discovery sport.

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        birdhouse on 27/02/2018 - 12:00

        Maybe buying on looks isn't going to work out for you this time, get the discovery sport. I can just see if you buy with the options you want then its going to blow the price way out.

        The boot looks really deep as well which would be great to just load things in and go.

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        aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 12:05

        +1

        @Brus29: I've to agree with your comment on making a purchase on the looks.

        The discovery sport only misses on the the sunroof which we get in the GT Line and some safety features like Lane Assist. But it is not a deal breaker.

        But practicality wise, boot is deep, 4x4 since we now live in Brisbane.

        Whether we get the Peugeot or the LR, since I work in the industry, I dont think I would have any issues with after sales service, since the dealerships rely on me for helping them out with some of the tools they work with :)

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  altomic on 27/02/2018 - 01:05

  +9

  I don't understand the poll. Where is the Camry option ???!!!

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  FoxJump on 27/02/2018 - 06:06

  +1

  Get a Pajero.
  More capable. Same price-ish. Bigger.

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    aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 06:38

    A mate of mine had the paper sport. Great car.

    But it's too big for our liking. It's just the two of us and a little dog with no plans for a baby. And we live in the city.

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      Euphemistic on 27/02/2018 - 07:01

      +2

      Get a sports car then. The city doesn’t need more suv’s

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        aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 07:04

        Just sold my 2004 Evo 8 Mr. We just need a little bit spacing for our camping equipment and stuff when we go on road trips and I do some long driving for work. If not, I would have jumped on the focus rs.

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        whooah1979 on 27/02/2018 - 07:17

        +1

        SUV outsold passenger vehicles in 2017. it’s only natural that this trend continues.

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        Euphemistic on 27/02/2018 - 09:38

        +1

        @aspirepranesh: Well, you didn't mention long drives or camping before.

        Do you want off road ability? Disco has that in spades, a 2wd pug is a bit of a waste, might as well get a big hatchback.

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        aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 09:42

        @Euphemistic: Sorry mate.. posted it via the phone last night before going to bed pondering about it.

        Managed to update the post this morning.

        I second your word on the Pug's off road capability with it being a FWD and that's why we looked at the Disc Sport. But it being diesel and since I dont do a lot of kms, I am now concerned about the DPF which I completely overlooked.

        I am almost thinking about going back to the Xtrail which I can get the 4x4 petrol variant with the top of the range for $41,000 through one of the dealerships I know

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      FoxJump on 27/02/2018 - 09:08

      Then how about a Subaru?
      I also have an XV.

      Pretty capable, and will fit you two and the little dog.
      Also way cheaper than the LR, and probably more reliable than the Peugeot.

      The boot is small. But you can also get the outback or forester and then you get your boot.

      With diesels, careful with your driving style. If you do short trips only you may kill your dpf.

      To be honest, before I got the xv I had hoped to get the Evoque. But by then the disco sport came out and I had a look too. Other than the bigger boot (than xv) and bigger price tag I didn't see the value in it. I was curious about their third row seat in the disco sport but was disappointed.

      The xv has taken me around the outback and even survived (as in I could keep driving it) being flooded 60cm (though the insurance took it away anyway).

      The xv has been on Snow, mud (where walking was super slippery), sand (stockton Beach, blacksmith beach) and the outback (Oodnadatta Rd, etc,).

      If your break down on your disco sport or Peugeot in a remote region you'll have zero chance of spare parts being available.

      Subarus are great cars.
      Lr .. again I was keen on a disco4 but I chickened out due to the cost and any possible reliability aspects. Pajero it is for me.

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        aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 09:44

        Thanks for reminding me of the DPF issue! I completely overlooked that… we took that into account when we were looking at a diesel Xtrail.

        The XV was in consideration, but it was a little bit small for the liking, but it looks great inside and out.

        Maybe we will go and ahve a look at it again.

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        FoxJump on 27/02/2018 - 09:49

        +1

        @aspirepranesh:
        I can answer any xv questions. I have a my18 one and had a my14 one (which flooded)

        I also use a roof pod when traveling to get more room :-)

        I picked the xv in 2014 as I wanted something off-roady but city friendly and that could actually take me off the beaten track. And it did. And I like adventure time so much that it's time for something still city friendly ish and Adventure ready like the Pajero. Not as big as a patrol and not as capable but still shopping centre friendly.

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        FoxJump on 27/02/2018 - 10:10

        @aspirepranesh:

        Also, consider a novated lease.
        You save GST upfront
        They can get ridiculous discounts.
        57k for a new exceed Pajero vs 64k rrp on road.

        If you do a 1 year lease. You will pay overthemoon during that 1 year but then you'll owe heaps less. 1 year leases maximise your tax deduction benefit.

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        Oz8argain on 27/02/2018 - 11:00

        @FoxJump: We have the my13 XV, it's so loud on the freeway and the engine is loud in the neighbour hood due to cvt :( not great for long distances on the highway if you want to talk to people..

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        FoxJump on 27/02/2018 - 14:18

        @Oz8argain:
        Oh. Well I had not noticed the noise. I find my Prius C more noisy in the freeway than the my18 xv. The my18 is quiter than my14 but I didn't remember thinking the my14 was noisy.
        *Shrug.

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  whooah1979 on 27/02/2018 - 06:22

  +4

  Peugeot 3008 gt line/ land rover discovery sport td150

  these vehicle are in different classes. one is an everyman vehicle that can't be resold while the other is a cut-down luxury that lost its shape.

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    aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 06:36

    Agreed. Two different classes and that's why I mentioned the 4x4 and fwd difference upfront. Fits our budget, but we both listed vehicles by our preference and then narrowed it down to what we really like in terms of how they drove, features and looks.

    The wife is adamant on not getting a mom car.

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  [Deactivated] on 27/02/2018 - 06:36

  +1

  Huh
  2 completely different cars
  And 50k for a 1.6L car? No way mate

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    aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 06:41

    It's in the same range as the cx5, which is the best selling SUV in its category. And the recent reviews have put the Peugeot above the cx5 in comparison in Australia. With medium sized suvs, I'm more concerned abt torque.

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      [Deactivated] on 27/02/2018 - 06:54

      Best selling. Not the best though
      Go look at the Vw Tiguan which wins in the segment.

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  Eeples on 27/02/2018 - 06:39

  Are you comparing the cars or you and your wife’s personal preferences?

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    aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 06:43

    Yeah. That's the hard part. Bcoz we understand they are not in the same category

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  Presence on 27/02/2018 - 06:55

  +2

  $50k for a fwd 1.6L with terrible resale? Buy anything Japanese over this! You could get almost any of the Japanese soft roaders.

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    aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 07:26

    Ive had a corolla and a JDM Evo 8 MR, so I can vouch for the japanese. This time, we need something with ride comfort and features… and these 2 are a class apart within our budget.

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      whooah1979 on 27/02/2018 - 07:31

      +4

      Why not go with a Lexus if you like jap made. It’s the most sensible opinion.

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        TheOneWhoKnocks on 27/02/2018 - 23:31

        Looks better as well. But the again, looks are subjective.

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  newynut on 27/02/2018 - 09:35

  Vw Tiguan all the way. Even has a 2500 kg tow capacity.

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    whooah1979 on 27/02/2018 - 10:13

    +1

    A 3008 and a Tiguan is about the same. The disco is a class about above in terms of luxury and off-road capabilities.

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  Oz8argain on 27/02/2018 - 11:02

  +3

  1 unreliable frech car and another unrealiable + very ugly land rover, there should be a neither option, unless you have so much money to maintain these cars.. but then why would you want the Discovery Sport? It's for people who wants a land rover but can't afford a real one.

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    pegaxs on 27/02/2018 - 11:37

    +2

    The "Discovery Sport" is their "entry level" vehicle. It is essentially a re-badged "Freelander". The problem was, as a Freelander, they just couldn’t sell them. I hated selling them or even trying to sell them. Discovery was selling hand over fist. Some marketing boffin thought, let's put the Discovery name on a Freelander and see if that helps sales. It does, because people think, Oh, that's a Discovery, they are really good. And the "Sport" badge makes them think it's better than an actual Discovery…

    It's kind of like, say, Mercedes Benz putting AMG stickers on their A200's. Basically, so idiots buy them.

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      Oz8argain on 27/02/2018 - 14:47

      I've only heard of one idiot that bought a A200 AMG.
      I guess the land rover marketing team deserves a raise.
      It's just sad to see people give in and buy those hunk of sh1ts. What a waste of money.

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      [Deactivated] on 06/03/2018 - 22:30

      +1

      This is 100% correct, it is a Freelander, and it's not a new model, despite what JLR want you to think. It's new sheet metal on the same old tired Mondeo chassis (yep, the Freelander/Evoque/Disco Sport) are all Mondeos underneath (so is the old Volvo XC60).

      Also despite what JLR marketing want you to believe, all of those cars are completely rubbish off road. They are just FWD bias softroaders. They have no low range, no diff locks and poor ground clearance and no articulation. They lack torque and power, and the only offroad they are capable of tackling, is a dirt track or the JLR experience centre BS course, which makes people who know nothing about cars think their cars are actually capable of going offroad.

      That being said, the Disco Sport is still a million times better than the Peugeot.

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        Euphemistic on 07/03/2018 - 15:51

        So what if it is built on a Mondeo platform? Plenty of different cars are built on the same platform.

        You could also argue that a 9 speed auto transmission would reduce the need for a low range box, after all creeping along in an auto works quite well and with 9 gears, the first would be nice and low. It also has the ‘terrain response system’ that soft roaders don’t have to make it more capable off the bitumen. Sure, it won’t have the wheel articulation of a land cruiser, but it’s not meant to. It’ll be much more capable off road than pretty much any other SUV though (and I’m not including 4wds like Prado, MUX etc in that) it’s a compromise, but much closer to a ‘real 4wd’ than high riding 2wd SUVs.

        Edit: for what it’s worth a lot of ‘real’ 4wds don’t have diff locks either.

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        [Deactivated] on 07/03/2018 - 18:32

        @Euphemistic:

        So what? It’s a car platform, not an 4wd platform. It’s also ancient.

        You could try to argue that the 9 speed gearbox would reduce the need for a low range, but you’d be wrong. For a start that gearbox is rubbish, and second, the ratios of the lower gears aren’t even close to a low range gearbox’s ratios, it’s not even in the same ball park. VW tried to pull off this off with the Amarok, and it didn’t work well there either (but admittedly the Amarok is better off-road than a Disco Sport).

        Lol at the terrain response, that might certainly work on a Disco, RR Sport or Vogue, but in a Disco Sport, it’s little more than lip service. It’s just a dial to fiddle around with the traction control. It doesn’t alter the dynamic capabilities of the car at all. On a RR Sport for example, it uses the low range, suspension, and traction settings to best match the terrain. On a Disco Sport that is not possible.

        Land Rover marketing clearly has worked well on you, but like all other SUVs the Disco Sport is useless off road.

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        Euphemistic on 07/03/2018 - 20:02

        @Burnertoasty: fair enough, but Have you actually tried one or seen it in action or is it all internet heresay?

        In the vast majority of situations you don’t need low range in an auto.

        Is the disco sport an awd or not? You make it sound like a 2wd.

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        [Deactivated] on 07/03/2018 - 20:07

        @Euphemistic: It might as well be 2wd for all it's offroad ability. Its a FWD bias AWD, so basically its a FWD car 99% of the time. This isn't internet hearsay, this is simple fact, It's not an off roader. JLR just wants you to think it is. If you want to actually go offroad, you need low range. As you said, you can probably get away without a rear diff with decent traction control, but having a rear diff is still preferential. You do need a centre diff though.

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        Euphemistic on 08/03/2018 - 06:10

        @Burnertoasty: there are significant differences in people’s opinions of off road. If you are talking about rocky, steep rutted terrain, then you do need low range. Near everything else can be done with an auto with decent traction control even with a fwd bias awd, but the key is decent traction control. I haven’t needed a rear diff lock in my 4wd yet but it does have a transfer case not a Centre diff, it a bit old school.

        Heck, half the time you don’t need awd either - and yes, I do drive off road and where it does require low range (in my manual) If you are just exploring gravel roads a 2wd sedan will do most of that. Extra ground clearance comes in handy for some of the erosion mounds they put in then though and then if it get a bit steeper or slippery is when you need awd.

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        whooah1979 on 08/03/2018 - 06:21

        @Burnertoasty:

        There is off-roading with sand, mud and snow up to the wheel caps and then there is off-roading with the same stuff up to the wheel nuts. not everyone needs a prado to go off-roading. an awd is more than capable of handling the former.

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  pegaxs on 27/02/2018 - 11:32

  +5

  Jesus H Christ, why is there no "Neither" or "Other" poll option? French or British cars. I'm and ex-Land Rover mechanic, and all I can think is "why?". There is a reason why French and British heritage cars have a bad reputation and no resale… Sure, you might get "free servicing" on the LR, but Euro car makers have a reputation of shafting their buyers once money has changed hands…

  BUT, I can't comment and not offer an alternative, so I will try.

  Not too big, SUV type vehicle I would consider over a Euro money pit… (I have quoted "top of the line" for all vehicles I list)

  Toyota C-HR/Koba.: Turbo 1.2, AWD, CVT @ about $38k on road.
  Hyundai Kona: Turbo 1.6, 4WD, Auto @ around $34k on road.
  Kia Sportage - GT Line: 2.4, Auto @ near $48k on road. (Only diesel comes in AWD)
  Honda HR-V: 1.8 Vti, CVT/Auto FWD @ almost $38k on road.

  Most others have made suggestions that I'm not going to re-hash, ie: Mazda CX, Lexus, VW Tiguan, Subaru VX, etc…

  Friends don’t let friends buy Peugeot ;)

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    aspirepranesh on 27/02/2018 - 11:45

    hahaha… Appreciate any feedback from people who have been hands on with the vehicle. I have been working in the Auto industry for the last 2 years albeit in a CRM role dealing with different dealerships and I get to know cars through work and also my personal interest.

    CHR/KONA are a bit small for our liking, but the Kona is a dream to drive! Stinger would be the only one I would be bothered in a KIA :)

    What are your thoughts on the xtrail 4x4 Ti variant?

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      pegaxs on 27/02/2018 - 13:02

      It’s for two adults and a dog and the occasional inlaws trip. It’s a really narrow market if a Pajero/Kluger/Sorento etc is too big, but a Sportage/Kona is too small.

      If I needed a med sized SUV, I would be all over the Kona. Hyundai warranty, reliability and after sales support is all fantastic. Very hard to go past at that price point and sits between what your wife wants and what you want. And sorry to say this, but that 3008 is butt ugly, the Kona is smouldering sexy.

      As for the Xtrail. I would buy that over a Euro derived model any day. Premium cars comes with premium prices and very little in the way of after sales support.

      Maybe if the C-HR is too small, and the Kluger is too big, have a look at the RAV4?

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  sydsm on 27/02/2018 - 13:51

  3 Range Rovers in the family (not land rover but the supposidly better quality car) - above normal level of issues with them (electrical and build quality mainly) - if you can afford the car and happy to dispose 1-2yrs after warranty then do it, but expensive cars without much grunt tbh.

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    [Deactivated] on 06/03/2018 - 22:22

    Range Rovers have plenty of grunt, unless you are talking about some piece of crap like an Evoque (which is not a Range Rover, no matter what the marketing department wants you to think).

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  Oz8argain on 27/02/2018 - 14:53

  +1

  Servicing costs over 5 years add up to $3500.
  5 yr/unlimited km warranty.

  That's perfect, your car will be permanently in the dealership servicing centre to fix those issues! You don't have to pay a cent! You'll take the train and pay for the 100% depreciation

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    andylch on 27/02/2018 - 18:51

    I think it is only $2997 for 3008 GT Line over 5 years (60 mths).

    http://www.peugeot.com.au/aftersales-services/maintenance/se…

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      Oz8argain on 28/02/2018 - 09:02

      ~$300/6months ouch

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  ilovem3 on 06/03/2018 - 22:19

  +3

  We own a 2011 Peugeot 3008. Bought it used in 2014 with ~16000 km on the odo, at about an estimated 50% of its initial RRP. It now has ~75000 kms on it and oh what a joyful 60k kays it has been. We have the midspec model with pano moonroof and auto everything, only doesnt have xenon and leather seats. The 2 litre diesel is both economical (7.6 l/100km) and powerful at the same time. Press the sport mode button and shifts are lightning quick and acceleration crazy for such a large vehicle. It has a trick damper across the rear torsion beam bar to prevent body roll during cornering. A relative who owns a Mazda CX5 drove our car for a week found it a stark contrast to his car which he said was too soft and rolls all over. A word of warning though, the suspension is what I would class as "firm", and you will feel bumps when you roll over potholes/manholes. I personally find the tradeoff acceptable for the corning confidence I get, so do go for a test drive to see if it suits your tastes. Sound insulation is above average compared with other cars and with the comfy seats it is like driving in an armchair and pleasurable over long distances.

  Dont listen to people who say french cars are unreliable without actually owning one. We have owned 3 so far (the other two have been Renault Meganes) and they have been flawless so far. Yes there have been bad batches in the '90s and '00s but recent cars are fine if regularly serviced. On the topic of servicing, the logbook recommends oil change every 20,000 km with an intermediate check at the 10,000 in between. However I managed to source the recommended oil from the importer here in WA and get it direct from their warehouse at <$40 per 5 litre bottle. I do not bring it back to the dealer for service but have found an outside french car mechanic who does it for about $120 when I bring my own oil so I get it changed every 10,000 just for peace of mind.

  Just my quick 10 minute review, let me know if you have more questions/need more info from a current (previous gen) owner.