Nest Protect $118.30 @ JB Hi-Fi

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LTiredman on 25/01/2018 - 19:42 jbhifi.com.au (1185 clicks)
Last edited 25/01/2018 - 22:12 by 2 other users

First time posting a deal. I've been eyeing a Nest Protect for a while now but not willing to spend so much on one. JB Hifi selling them for $118.30 today! Another 5% off if you can find one at Officeworks.

Wired one here

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers-tablets/smart-home/nest/…

Comes with six Energizer Ultimate Lithium included as well.

Anyway there are a lot of comments about whether it is compliant. I am not an expert on this but mine says this on the unit.

Australian Standard
AS3786:2014
Lic. SMK40713
SAI Global

Voice messages do not comply with AS3786:2014, Section 4.21
When interconnected, visual indicators do not comply with the requirements of AS3786:2014

Hope this helps.

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[Deactivated] on 25/01/2018 - 19:47

-1

I bought 4 Xiaomi smoke detectors for the same price. They have the same functionality + can integrate into the house alarm system.
- Tiredman on 25/01/2018 - 19:55
  
  -1
  
  I was very interested in the Xiaomi as well but insurance companies doesn't like it. Plus I think $118.30 is a pretty hard to pass up price.
  - [Deactivated] on 25/01/2018 - 19:56
    
    -1
    
    What? Insurance companies don't ask you what smoke detectors you have installed.
    
    The Xiaomi smoke detector is manufactured by Honeywell anyway, it is a very respected brand.
    - Tiredman on 25/01/2018 - 19:58
      
      +1
      
      I don't know. Something to do with Australian standards. Didn't really pay attention.
    - [Deactivated] on 25/01/2018 - 19:59
      
      -7
      
      @nsfx84: You don't know, because you are making it up. At no point has my home insurance company ever said 'excuse me sir, what brand of smoke detectors do you have installed'.
    - asa79 on 25/01/2018 - 20:00
      
      +5
      
      It’s not Australian certified so might affect claims. Insurance companies will find any reason not to pay. And your dealing with families lives so it’s better to pay that little extra to make sure it works 24/7
    - Tiredman on 25/01/2018 - 20:00
      
      +2
      
      @Burnertoasty:
      
      I don't know because it was a long time ago since i spoke to them. So i'm not 100% sure now. Jeez what's up with you? Got up on the wrong side of bed? I wasn't disagreeing with you at all.
    - [Deactivated] on 25/01/2018 - 20:06
      
      @nsfx84: No, I'm just pissed off, my house burnt down and my smoke detectors didn't warn me.
    - Magpye on 25/01/2018 - 20:10
      
      +3
      
      @Burnertoasty: Name checks out
    - AussieGargain on 25/01/2018 - 20:16
      
      @asa79: is Nest Australian certified for insurance purpose?
    - Smigit on 25/01/2018 - 20:27
      
      @AussieGargain: something worth looking at also is the local states laws. For example WAs seems stricter than NSW at a glance and looks to mandate hard wired fire alarms in new or reneovated properties or ones being rented to people or properties going for sale. NSW seems to say use whatever you can.
      
      Should be a quick google and short read to determine what sorts appropriate for a specific location and living arrangement.
      
      I don’t think JB could sell anything considers outright illegal, but I don’t think the battery model will be right in all situations.
    - johnyBgood on 25/01/2018 - 20:30
      
      +1
      
      You don't even have to replace your existing smoke detector to use the xiaomi one, just stick it on your ceiling to get smart notification, not sure why it will affect your insurance?
    - Magus on 25/01/2018 - 20:40
      
      @Smigit:Woolworths does, so why not JB?
      QLD has laws that will require mains powered ones replaced with mains powered, and if they are battey ones, you can replace with battery as long as the battery is a 10 yr battery.
      
      There is also requirements that they talk to each other so one goes off, all go aff.
      
      The law is slowly changing, so some of these requirements come in at different times for residential, new and rental.
    - deltakilo on 25/01/2018 - 20:51
      
      According to 1 of the JB reviews, the wired version isn't double insulated which means not AUS compliant?
      The reviewer said sparky refused to install because of it.
    - WalterBiH on 25/01/2018 - 21:05
      
      @deltakilo:
      
      See this:
      
      " while the smoke alarm is double-insulated to reduce the risk of shock, the supplied power cable is not. This means to meet Australian safety standards the Nest should be installed with a junction box in the ceiling (not included in the box) which covers the supplied power cable – including where it connects to the mains power and to the Nest."
    - asa79 on 25/01/2018 - 22:45
      
      @WalterBiH: that would be the hardwired version
    - justtoreply on 26/01/2018 - 02:01
      
      @jominix:
      
      Smart notification? I'd hate to have my phone on silent while my house was burning down
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 02:18
      
      @justtoreply: Better then no notifications
    - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 04:00
      
      -1
      
      @asa79:
      
      It’s not Australian certified so might affect claims. Insurance companies will find any reason not to pay. And your dealing with families lives so it’s better to pay that little extra to make sure it works 24/7
      
      So your logic is to buy an inferior model just because it meets the outdated Australian Standards when your insurance company doesn't care because smoke detectors are to give the occupants time to get out not to save a structure. Good luck with that, I hope you never need to find out that the Australian Standards are woefully behind the rest of the world in many respects.
    - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 04:02
      
      @AussieGargain:
      
      @asa79: is Nest Australian certified for insurance purpose?
      
      There is no certification for insurance purposes. Your insurance company doesn't give a damn about smoke alarms.
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 10:27
      
      @Maverick-au: Please dont confuse people. https://www.worksafe.qld.gov.au/forms-and-resources/newslett…
      
      This is the new rule in QLD not sure about other states, but sure they will follow soon.
      
      New and substantially renovated homes are now required to have interconnected Australian Standard (AS) 3786-2014 photoelectric smoke alarms in all bedrooms, in hallways where bedrooms are connected, and on each and every level of the residence. This applies to homes where building applications were lodged after 1 January 2017.
      
      Requirements for other homes will be phased in over 10 years. Interconnected AS 3786-2014 photoelectric smoke alarms will be required from:
      
      1 January 2022 in all homes leased and sold
      1 January 2027 in all other homes.
      To comply with the new laws homeowners can install either hardwired 240V smoke alarms or non-removable 10-year battery smoke alarms. However, any existing hardwired 240V smoke alarm must be replaced with a hardwired 240V photoelectric smoke alarm. The installation of hardwired 240V smoke alarms must be performed by a licenced electrician. In existing homes, it is possible to have a combination of smoke alarms, which can be 240V or battery operated and interconnectivity which can be both wired and wireless.
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 10:29
      
      @Maverick-au: As you can see in the above you need smoke alarms that apply with "Australian Standard (AS) 3786-2014" if you living in QLD, straight away if your house is new or renovated, or by 2027 for all houses
      
      Luckily we can use either battery or hardwired, and these should meet the interconnected part
    - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 11:04
      
      -3
      
      @asa79:
      
      @Maverick-au: As you can see in the above you need smoke alarms that apply with "Australian Standard (AS) 3786-2014" if you living in QLD, straight away if your house is new or renovated, or by 2027 for all houses
      
      ONCE AGAIN, There is no certification for insurance purposes. Your insurance company doesn't give a damn about smoke alarms.
      
      And why do you keep saying this only applies to houses? You keep copying and pasting material that you know nothing about like you are an expert on the subject.
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 11:08
      
      +1
      
      @Maverick-au: Its call "LAW" if the law states you have to have it and you dont, then its illegal and insurance dont have to cover you
    - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 11:09
      
      -4
      
      @asa79:
      
      Please dont confuse people. https://www.worksafe.qld.gov.au/forms-and-resources/newslett…
      
      This is the new rule in QLD not sure about other states, but sure they will follow soon.
      
      It's not a rule, it's law. Learn the difference.
      
      Once again I will say it, your insurance company doesn't give a damn, what the stupid QLD Government does to increase housing prices and rental pricing is nothing to do with your insurance company. Your insurance company is not the government.
      
      New and substantially renovated homes are now required to have interconnected Australian Standard (AS) 3786-2014 photoelectric smoke alarms in all bedrooms, in hallways where bedrooms are connected, and on each and every level of the residence.
      
      This law came about because a few families decided to disable their smoke detectors and store numerous gas bottles under their house and left their family members to die in the fire. Will this law do anything apart from decrease housing affordability? Nope because the same people will still have zero regard for their lives and that of their family.
    - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 11:10
      
      -4
      
      @asa79:
      
      @Maverick-au: Its call "LAW" if the law states you have to have it and you dont, then its illegal and insurance dont have to cover you
      
      Clearly you have never ever read a PDS. Go and read one. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 11:14
      
      @Maverick-au: Legislation is law - https://www.qfes.qld.gov.au/community-safety/smokealarms/doc…
      
      If you have a specific question or require further clarification, please email [email protected]
    - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 11:40
      
      -3
      
      @asa79:
      
      @Maverick-au: Legislation is law - https://www.qfes.qld.gov.au/community-safety/smokealarms/doc…
      
      You're the one that keeps calling this a rule, I keep calling it a law. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
      
      If you have a specific question or require further clarification, please email [email protected]
      
      I'll pass on your offer because I can read.
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 11:44
      
      +2
      
      @Maverick-au: Looks like you cant read, otherwise you wouldnt still be trolling. An idiot will still keep arguing when facts are presented that the facts are wrong
voldemort on 25/01/2018 - 19:49

Do I need to buy one for each room?
- Tiredman on 25/01/2018 - 19:52
  
  Eventually i think law will require all rooms to have one. Really it's up to you.
- garage sale on 25/01/2018 - 19:53
  
  +9
  
  depends which room the in- laws are sleeping in …. less if you skip their room.
- asa79 on 25/01/2018 - 20:00
  
  +2
  
  In Qld you need one in each room and all linked
  - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 11:34
    
    In Qld you need one in each room and all linked
    
    No you don't. Stop spreading lies.
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 11:41
      
      +1
      
      For best protection you do. If you dont care about your family and their safety then you can save some money, thats your choice
    - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 11:45
      
      @asa79:
      
      For best protection you do. If you dont care about your family and their safety then you can save some money, thats your choice
      
      You just make this rubbish up as you go along, you just said that they must be fitted to every room in Queensland. Why would you fit smoke detectors in your toilets and bathrooms for example?
      
      Do you have smoke detectors in every room?
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 11:52
      
      @Maverick-au: Why would you put them in your bathroom, some smokers might need one in toilet never know
      
      We were recommended one in laundry since the missus uses the dryer, but others might not need, it down to need
    - Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 12:08
      
      -1
      
      @asa79:
      
      We were recommended one in laundry since the missus uses the dryer, but others might not need, it down to need
      
      The new laws are utter rubbish and do nothing for safety. A mix of ionisation, photoelectric and heat detectors are needed for proper coverage.
      
      I have had smoke detectors in all bedrooms, common areas, laundry, workshop, enclosed spaces like under the stairs, in garages and equipment rooms for over fifteen years. That's a choice that I made not the government.
      
      These new laws dumb it down once again by claiming ionisation detectors are unsafe which they are not and forcing people to do something which should be voluntary. Do you think all the people who disconnected smoke alarms in the past are going to stop now? These are the ones who had the fatal fires so once again everyone is penalised for the actions of a few.
      
      The cost to retrofit average houses will potentially be in the thousands which will be added to the sale price and the same with rentals with rents being increased.
    - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 17:11
      
      @Maverick-au: If you dont like them write to local member as I didnt make them and really personally i dont see any issues with them, seems like only you do
    - thedriver on 27/01/2018 - 22:54
      
      @Maverick-au:
      
      New alarms need to be either hard-wired or have a 10 year non removable battery so they CAN'T be disabled.
      
      Asa79 called it a rule, but if you took the time you'd actually realise it is Law. If it has been legislated by government, which it has been in most states (and definitely in QLD), it is Law.
      
      The cost to retrofit with 10 year NON REMOVEABLE batteries is not expensive.
      It won't make much difference to either rents or sale prices. Amortised over the life of a rental, it's minimal. And in the scheme of a $400k - $1m house / apartment is nothing.
    - Maverick-au on 27/01/2018 - 23:23
      
      @thedriver:
      
      New alarms need to be either hard-wired or have a 10 year non removable battery so they CAN'T be disabled.
      
      Are you really so naive? I'll assume so. Open the latch on the Clipsal photoelectric smoke alarm and it hinges on one side and the AC connection is broken, now remove the battery. Look the smoke alarm is disabled in 20 seconds.
      
      And of course disabling the sealed battery will be so difficult as well.
      
      Asa79 called it a rule, but if you took the time you'd actually realise it is Law. If it has been legislated by government, which it has been in most states (and definitely in QLD), it is Law.
      
      Read what I have said over and over "it's a law". Sheesh.
      
      The cost to retrofit with 10 year NON REMOVEABLE batteries is not expensive.
      
      How do you work this out?
      
      It won't make much difference to either rents or sale prices. Amortised over the life of a rental, it's minimal. And in the scheme of a $400k - $1m house / apartment is nothing.
      
      Like all the other costs like pool fence inspections and so forth. All these magical costs like having to spend $1-2000 on smoke detectors before you sell of course won't add to the sale price….. yep the seller will magically absorb these costs as will builders, developers and landlords. Oh wait in the real world the buyer or tenant will pay for these.
asa79 on 25/01/2018 - 20:01

Is it better to wait for nest 2?
- Tiredman on 25/01/2018 - 20:06
  
  +1
  
  I'm pretty sure this is Nest 2
  
  https://nest.com/uk/support/article/How-can-I-tell-which-Nes…
  - johnyBgood on 25/01/2018 - 20:31
    
    +3
    
    Better to wait for nest X,it will be heaps better..
  - asa79 on 25/01/2018 - 21:14
    
    It says nest 2 is round
    - bamzero on 26/01/2018 - 04:27
      
      These are 2nd gen. Only the baseplate is round.
Smigit on 25/01/2018 - 20:07

+1

Looks like wired is the same price

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers-tablets/smart-home/nest/…
- Tiredman on 25/01/2018 - 20:07
  
  +1
  
  Thanks. I will add it in!
GCSteve on 25/01/2018 - 20:33

+1

The Officeworks page for this item says

"It is certified to Australian standard AS 3786:2014."

https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/nest-prote…

$188 at OfficeWorks. They haven't dropped the price to match JB yet.
- asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 11:45
  
  Has anyone priced matched officeworks yet?
  - mr-black on 26/01/2018 - 12:47
    
    Just did it at Officeworks for $112.38 each.
    
    Needed 0, bought 2.
    
    Thanks OzBargain…
    - GCSteve on 26/01/2018 - 12:53
      
      You did better than me. My Officeworks rounded $112.385 up to $112.39 and your Officeworks rounded down to $112.38 :)
  - GCSteve on 26/01/2018 - 12:49
    
    Yes
    Showed my JBHiFi receipt and got it for $112.39 from Officeworks.
    Hope to have 6 by the end of the day.
    Lots of driving as most stores only have one in stock.
AliG on 25/01/2018 - 20:51

Thanks op
AlanI on 25/01/2018 - 21:19

I've got five of the wired version in my house (imported from UK before they were sold in Australia).

I'm very happy with them, and this is an excellent price.
- asa79 on 25/01/2018 - 23:33
  
  gen 1 or gen 2
  - AlanI on 26/01/2018 - 00:25
    
    Gen 2.
Mooncakes on 25/01/2018 - 21:24

So I bought 2 and apparently they're "non compliant" because it's not double insulated and an electrician wouldn't install them, according to 1 review. Is this true?
- Iceworkz on 25/01/2018 - 21:35
  
  It is true and I showed one to an electrician friend, but easy to make compliant in his opinion.
- AlanI on 25/01/2018 - 21:45
  
  Yeah, it's technically true, but my electrician was able to fix that by shrinkwraping the wire or something to made it compliant when he did the install.
  
  That said, I've read stories online of other electricians just flat out refusing to install them, so YMMV.
  
  The battery model doesn't have this problem, so if you're worried you can just use that.
  - Mooncakes on 25/01/2018 - 22:02
    
    haha alright hopefully it goes alright :) cheers
- asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 10:22
  
  Did you buy hardwired or battery, as this wont affect battery version
TheBlackMini on 26/01/2018 - 10:25

Been meaning to replace the old smoke detectors which died!
Bought 4 of them, thanks OP!
asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 10:32

+1
For QLDers these Smoke Alarms meet the Australian Standard (AS) 3786-2014 required for your house as below. Honeywell from Gearbest means you wont be covered.

https://www.worksafe.qld.gov.au/forms-and-resources/newslett…

This is the new rule in QLD not sure about other states, but sure they will follow soon.

New and substantially renovated homes are now required to have interconnected Australian Standard (AS) 3786-2014 photoelectric smoke alarms in all bedrooms, in hallways where bedrooms are connected, and on each and every level of the residence. This applies to homes where building applications were lodged after 1 January 2017.

Requirements for other homes will be phased in over 10 years. Interconnected AS 3786-2014 photoelectric smoke alarms will be required from:

1 January 2022 in all homes leased and sold

1 January 2027 in all other homes.

To comply with the new laws homeowners can install either hardwired 240V smoke alarms or non-removable 10-year battery smoke alarms. However, any existing hardwired 240V smoke alarm must be replaced with a hardwired 240V photoelectric smoke alarm. The installation of hardwired 240V smoke alarms must be performed by a licenced electrician. In existing homes, it is possible to have a combination of smoke alarms, which can be 240V or battery operated and interconnectivity which can be both wired and wireless.
- Maverick-au on 26/01/2018 - 11:14
  
  -2
  
  For QLDers these Smoke Alarms meet the Australian Standard (AS) 3786-2014 required for your house as below. Honeywell from Gearbest means you wont be covered.
  
  Why not, the new laws don't take effect for nine years.
  
  This is the new rule in QLD not sure about other states, but sure they will follow soon.
  
  It's a law not a rule.
  
  Australian Standards are out of date.
  - asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 11:21
    
    It started last year 1st of Jan 2017 for new and renovated houses, and 2022 for any rentals or sales and then 2027 for all houses
asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 10:39

+1
For existing dwellings
https://www.qfes.qld.gov.au/community-safety/smokealarms/Pag…

From 1 January 2017

Existing smoke alarms manufactured more than 10 years ago must be replaced with photoelectric smoke alarms which comply with Australian Standards (AS) 3786-2014. (Note: the date should be stamped on the back)

Smoke alarms that do not operate when tested must be replaced immediately.

Existing hardwired smoke alarms that need replacement, must be replaced with a hardwired photoelectric smoke alarm.

It is also recommended that:

smoke alarms be either hardwired or powered by a non-removable 10-year battery; and ionisation smoke alarms be replaced with a photoelectric type as soon as possible.

For the best protection smoke alarms should be installed on each storey:

in every bedroom

in hallways which connect bedrooms and the rest of the dwelling

if there is no hallway, between the bedrooms and other parts of the storey; and

if there are no bedrooms on a storey, at least one smoke alarm should be installed in the most likely path of travel to exit the dwelling.

All smoke alarms should be interconnected.

To get everyone out safely during a house fire, it is essential to also have a well-practised fire escape plan.

For other type of Properties please check https://www.qfes.qld.gov.au/community-safety/smokealarms/Pag…
asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 16:22

+1

Thanks op got 4 from JB on GE.
asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 19:42

https://nest.com/support/article/Which-rooms-in-my-home-need…
asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 19:56

Its shame they only work with Philips Hue lights and not Yeelight
GCSteve on 26/01/2018 - 20:05

Handy to know if there is no wifi where these will be installed.

Are my Nest Protects still interconnected if my Wi-Fi goes down?
https://nest.com/support/article/Are-my-Nest-Protects-still-…
"While Wi-Fi and a Nest account are required to interconnect multiple Nest Protects, if your Wi-Fi connection is lost at any time, all your Nest Protects will remain interconnected. And once they are interconnected, they do not rely on Wi-Fi for this feature. However, if your Wi-Fi goes down, you will not receive mobile notifications."
- asa79 on 26/01/2018 - 21:50
  
  Similar to sonos speakers
asa79 on 02/02/2018 - 23:37

Integrating Nest Protects into Home Assistant http://www.vmwareinfo.com/2017/06/psa-check-out-your-smoke-d…
Embercide on 15/02/2018 - 07:40

I wish I saw this earlier! Hurry up and go on sale again!

This was posted 6 years 10 months 29 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

Nest Protect $118.30 @ JB Hi-Fi

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