Ambulance Taking Advantage When There's No Emergency

Last week was the first week back to work after Christmas/new year break, the road I travel to work everyday wasn't busy. At a traffic light where I needed to turn left, I stopped as usual to make sure no other cars were coming before making the turn. As I looked to my right, I saw an ambulance driving closer and before it could pass the intersection, the traffic light turned yellow and then red. The ambulance did not have the siren on from far away, so clearly it was not in an emergency. But when it reached the intersection, it suddenly turned on the siren and went straight across. And shortly after it passed the intersection, its siren was turned off. At that point, I was able to turn left so I was pretty much driving behind that ambulance. As I said the road was not busy; and at each traffic light there were only a few in the line waiting for the red light. I watched the ambulance doing the same in the following 2-3 traffic lights - turning on the siren to avoid waiting for red lights and turning off the siren afterwards.

I can't see through the window of an ambulance to know if someone is inside that needs immediate transport to the nearest hospital. I can't tell if the the above was out of a real emergency either. I'd rather think it was.

Another story on this was from a few months ago near a local shopping center.I saw an ambulance with siren on coming from the back. Everyone including me gave way to it and it was all fine. When I tried to find a parking in the shopping center, I saw the same ambulance stopped in the road blocking one direction. The emergency lights on the vehicle were on and no one was in the driver or passenger seat. My immediate thought was someone needed help in the shopping centre. It was in the afternoon, so was getting busy and one way was blocked, people have to line up and work out how to pass through. A moment later, I parked my car and walked my way into the post office. I saw an officer dressing in paramedic/ambulance uniform in the post office. He was not trying to save someone's life or applying first aid. He was putting something in a parcel box and then started writing on the box! I also saw him sending the parcel and paid for cost at the counter and saw him leaving the post office. So he stopped the ambulance on the road to save himself time to find a parking. If I didn't discover this by myself I probably would never believe ambulance driver would do things like that.

Comments

  • +4

    I can't see through the window of an ambulance to know if someone is inside that needs immediate transport to the nearest hospital.

    Without knowing what the situation is, it's difficult to make any form of comment.

    I saw the same ambulance stopped in the road blocking one direction. The emergency lights on the vehicle were on and no one was in the driver or passenger seat.

    Normally paramedics travel in pairs when responding to callouts. Did you see the other one?
    Is it possible that you may have seen an off duty paramedic?

    • Ye, possibly this paramedic was off duty, but is it still legit to park the ambulance in the middle of the road for personal matters?
      Or, maybe there was a situation and was under control by the other paramedic, so this paramedic could swing by and do some postal business.

      • +2

        What I meant by my question was rather that the two paramedics responding to a call out in the ambulance you saw parked in the street left the vehicle to go and address the matter, and that the person in uniform you saw in the Australia post was unrelated.

        But your second sentence is also plausible. Again, without knowing for sure — it's difficult to make a clean judgement.

  • I know most of the time, emergency vehicles have lights on but don't have sirens on until they approach an intersection. But turning all on to skip a light then all off does seem odd.

    • +3

      I think you will find they turn on the sirens at the intersection as it is a 'danger point' to hopefully alert their presence to more people. They do not need to turn the lights on to have the intersection give them a green light. That is a separate switch inside they can flick on and off.

      Source: I program the lights.

      • +1

        As they say you learn something new everyday. I never know ambos could switch a light to green for their passage. How long have they been able to do this? All states?

        • +2

          Well not switch a light, but what happens is it sends a request to the control system that says I want to go through this intersection straight/left/right. The control system will then (when safe) change the lights to suit the ambos request and hold it. This helps clear the traffic out and give them a path through, and also hopefully reduce tbones, unless you have red light runners.

          From the time they turn it on the system is tracking the ambo and can put the request on say 20/30s early to clear out it's path.

        • @knobbs:

          Cool thanks for info.

        • @knobbs: In which state or states does this happen? For which emergency services? Fire, police or ambulance?

        • +2

          @sween64: This is QLD, a service called EVP (Emergency Vehicle Priority). So from the name you can guess it anyone who has the hardware installed. Other states are starting to pick it up as they see the benefit in it. Unfortunately due to political shenanigans we currently can not enter the NSW space.

  • I saw an ambo talking on the mobile while driving. Are they allowed to do this?

    • -1

      No one is. Ambulance drivers are no exception and should have sufficient hands free options on board, or their non-driving partner will use the phone.

      • +1

        According to the road rules they can if it's an emergency eg calling the hospital with patient information.

    • +1

      I saw a cop doing this in a cop car once in traffic. I walked up to the car, banged on the window and screamed at him to get off the f@#king phone! He got out and threatened to arrest me for damaging police property and J walking on the road!

      We both then cracked up laughing in the middle of the street!!!

  • Could have been stolen by escaped looneys from the psychotic mentally insane criminal ward.
    The long sleeve shirts they wore where they around the right way without extrordenly long cufflink straps?

  • +22

    Ambulances do not have to turn on the lights even when there's an emergency.

    They only turn on the lights and sirens when there is the need to clear traffic. They do try and be considerate of their surroundings. For example at night when there's light traffic and in a residential neighborhood when everyone's sleeping. In an emergency, they may leave their lights on without the siren or not have either on.
    Sometimes they even turn off their lights and sirens in an emergency when there's congestion and they know there's no way to get through. Turning the lights and sirens off in such a situation minimises the possibility of other drivers panicking when there's nowhere to go to give way.

    In relation to the paramedic at the post office, they would be like the police parking close by, even in places where they shouldn't park, to get their lunch. They need to be able to get back to their vehicles quickly if an urgent call comes through the radio.

    Everyone will be complaining that the paramedics arrived late in a life or death situation if they were doing something and had to waste precious time running back to their "legally parked" vehicle.

    In an emergency, every minute and every second counts.

    Is there really nothing else to whinge about? No-one seems to create threads about the time they saw paramedics saving lives. That person they're saving could be you one day.

    We should give them the respect they deserve.

    • +3

      Well said, i wish i could give you 100 +s

    • +1

      Fantastic response.

      Sometimes they even turn off their lights and sirens in an emergency when there's congestion and they know there's no way to get through. Turning the lights and sirens off in such a situation minimises the possibility of other drivers panicking when there's nowhere to go to give way.

      Agree, I have seen this multiple times. If they can't go anywhere, they often will turn off at least their siren, and then turn it on again when lights go green or whatever. I've also often seen them turn off lights and sirens as they enter the street they're heading to so that they neighbours don't all come out for a sticky-beak!

      In relation to the paramedic at the post office, they would be like the police parking close by, even in places where they shouldn't park, to get their lunch. They need to be able to get back to their vehicles quickly if an urgent call comes through the radio.

      This is a very good point. Incidents the emergency services respond to can take hours and hours, and if they haven't had lunch, it can be a long time before they get any! My father, who is a volunteer fire fighter, used to regularly get called out to incidents just as he was sitting down to dinner, and wouldn't get home until 9pm+. At this point he wouldn't have eaten since midday.

  • When transporting sensitive patients, ambulances often display their flashing lights, but not their sirens. The post doesn't indicate if its lights were flashing.

  • -1

    How dare they take advantage. They don’t do anything good for our society, all they do is clog up the roads and make it more difficult for me to get around. They should ban all emergency services, they are a waste of resources.

  • +1

    As someone who has been in an ambulance as part of an emergency, I can tell you they only put the sirens on when needed throughout the journey. Having the sirens blasting is distressing for some of their passengers.

  • For the first situation, were the beacons on? That is, the flashing red/blue lights?

  • +2

    as a retired paramedic,I will try to explain what you saw,mind you I'm only guessing seeing as I wasn't there…..if a patient is in a fragile state,we will try to minimise noise & only turn on sirens if we need to clear a path or cross an intersection.They are completely separate switch to flashing lights.We try to minimise noise with time of day eg late night & early morning,only turning on sirens as above.
    Yes we can use a mobile if our radios are not working for some reason & we need to communicate with a hospital (this may have changed ) & is this any different to using a radio to communicate with a hospital ? Same amount of distraction ? Normally the person in back with patient will do communications with hospital but not always feasible.

  • +1

    Qualified ambo here

    As stated above ambulances do not have lights and sirens all the time in an emergency. If you think its uncomfortable to listen to for a minute, imagine driving with the siren on for the whole trip.

    Also, running red lights isn't as fun as it sounds, and if an ambulance gets into an accident because of it, the driver will be in trouble because we still have to make sure it is safe to do so.

    If anyone's wondering about fines: we do still get them if there are red-light/speeding cameras. We only get them waived if there was an emergency at the time, regardless of lights/sirens. Emergency times are all recorded, so there's no fudging this one.

  • How do you know the ambo officer in the post office was from the Ambulance parked in the road, its possible he was off duty and their was an emergency in the shopping centre attended by other ambo offficers. Dont assuming anything.

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