In general Diesel cars have more torque.. Cheaper to Run.. High Resale Value…
Cons : Bad for Environment; More maintenance Cost;
What else would you say are the pros and cons of Diesel Cars?
Pros and Cons of Diesel Cars?
mkar18 on 05/01/2018 - 14:09
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Very sensitive to water in common rails.
But there are plenty of precautions available
They can sometimes be considered louder (not in a good way) and some would say they’re not as fast or responsive to drive.
I used to drive a 2014 diesel mondeo though and felt it was a pretty good engine.
Modern common rail diesels are just as fast & responsive as petrol cars.
responsive to drive.
Yep comes down to turbo lag, where every diesel is different in that way
I had a 2011 diesel Mondeo. Loved the drive.
Ah yes, cheaper to run, but bad for the environment.
Now what is that "bad" impact
Try reading is to get a good idea of all the points on both sides.
http://theconversation.com/fact-check-are-diesel-cars-really…
In summary for those too lazy to click the link, in the drive to meet Kyoto protocols and the impact on the environment, unwittingly we have impacted the health of people especially in inner urban areas.
If that bothers you go petrol, and then electric (when its more viable)
unwittingly we have impacted the health of people especially in inner urban areas.
Don't forget about the car's user. And of course every busy road is like a river of harmful combustion byproducts and brake dust so every other road user.
Also it wasn't unwitting: various manufacturers purposely set out to output more exhaust than is allowed by gaming the frankly ridiculous testing that allows cars to be legal.
get just about 1000k's per tank on my 2013 mondeo
cheaper to run but you pay more for it upfront. So only makes sense if you are going to put some solid kms
they stink and make black smoke for others - and no, I am not talking about 30 year old beaters.
get greasy hands at the pump (I have a tractor that requires diesel), I always have baby wipes in car anyway so they are used post fill up.get greasy hands at the pump (I have a tractor that requires diesel), I always have baby wipes in car anyway so they are used post fill up.
I have a pair of gardening gloves that i keep in the car for when I fill up. I don't care what other people think/say. They keep the diesel from coming into contact with my hands.
Also not all diesel cars blow black smoke. Neither my previous car or my current car blow black smoke. But yes a lot of them do.
Servicing is always more expensive compared to their petrol counterparts (at least at the dealership)
I'm on my third diesel, accent, i30 manual and i30 auto.
Wouldn't have anything else, it's 45km each way to work, and I'm only spending $25 a week on fuel.
The manual was a lot more responsive than the auto, I just got lazy, they are actually fun to drive, having more torque than an equivalent petrol.One benefit of it (and yes I'm horrid) is when I'm being tailgated like the other night through roadworks I drop it back a gear and floor it to treat the tailgating car to some lovely diesel fumes.
I did have diesel algae, after that I only buy my diesel through places that I know will have a high turnover of it, and use diesel power when I remember.
I wonder if diesel cars will have a higher resale value in the future. You are seeing European cities banning diesel cars/trucks. Our VW wagon (diesel) resale value plummeted once the VW scandal became public - great engine though.
Banning them is now easy for the Australian government as we have no local car industry anymore - someone elses problem.
I wonder if diesel cars will have a higher resale value in the future
I don't think so. Modern turbo diesels are a lot more complicated than your common petrol engine. Their turbos and fuel pumps are very very expensive to repair.
Older diesels were incredibly simple in comparison and thats where diesels earned their reputation for reliability. I think thats going to change.
Cons: diesel hands after filling, fear of filling with petrol and huge repair bill, fear of DPF clogging and requiring expensive replacement. Guilt from driving a polluting machine.
Pros: being able to drive "fast" without having to rev the flap out of it like a petrol engine. Effortlessly cruising up hills without having to floor it. Fuel price much more stable than petrol.
You had me up until you said…
Guilt from driving a polluting machine.
Pro: Burns less litres of fuel.
Cons: Fumes/emissions are more noxious/hazardous to human health. Also costs more when new or even 2nd hand.Lol @ bad for the environment. Sorry, can't agree with that one. Maybe back in 1970, yeah, but modern diesel engines are very clean. Things like direct injection, common rail, piezo injectors, computer control, regen and adblue have made a significant difference to how much pollution diesels make. Diesels also use about 1/2 the fuel the same car with a petrol engine would use, thus emitting much less of the enviromental impacting bad stuff, like CO2. (Side note, some of the by-products of diesels are hazardous to humans more so than the environment…)
As a diesel mechanic, I have to agree with servicing. While not really more expensive, I would say, more critical. Diesels just don't cope with being left for km's on end of not being serviced. The oil turns into what is best described as tar, and no engine can pump that. This will lead to premature engine failure.
Pros:
More torque. (Better for towing)
Less RPM. This = fuel saving and increases engine life
Fill up at high-flow pumps
Fuel price is pretty stable any day of the week.Cons:
More expensive to buy
Don’t like late/missed services
Diesel is icky stuff if spilled (it's actually just really light oil.)
Expensive if something fails.(Side note, some of the by-products of diesels are hazardous to humans more so than the environment…)
Well humans are also part of the environment. I know the real trendy think humans are expendable, because of the dreadful things we have done to other parts of the environment.
Another side note is that adblu improves things, but this requires users to add this, and many economise on this additive, or arent even aware of its need, especially as the car gets older.
Pro: less stops at the servo. I get Syd-Mel or Syd-Bne without a fuel stop.
May I just share that a box of exam gloves in the boot solves the problem of diesel hands while filling up.
yes but adds another 10-20c to each of your fuel bills….
unless of course you're a good ozbargainer and reuse ;-)
That’s the same as paying an extra $0.0025/lt on a 40lt fill up. Even less if cost is spread over larger quantity fill ups.
At $1.429/lt on the same 40lt fill up, it would be $57.16 + 10c for a glove. That would represent a 0.17% cost increase to buying your fuel.
If you fuel up on average twice a month, that’s 24 gloves over the span of a year, costing $2.40 annually.
A typical packet of nitrile gloves contains 100 gloves, or, enough for approximately 4 years of refueling.
Paying 1c more per litre for fuel (ie: not finding the best deal) has a more detrimental affect on your budget than using nitrile gloves.
Ah yes I forgot the true ozbargainer only uses 1 hand to fill up. I hope my jesting didn't take up too much computing power, otherwise we'd have to include the power cost in your annual use figures.. 😀
Hahaha, all good. I was going to break it right down to a “vs hand washing” time factor and compare it to using antibacterial sanitiser… but thought it was too much work. :D
Gotta milk those last dollars and cents out…
Awesome educational and entertaining vid. Cheers.
Yes I drive a diesel and yes I drive a lot on highways at speed.That was great.
i think its pretty obvious really
if you need a 4x4 ute or van or towing then yeah go for it, its like 90% diesel
if you're doing massive km then yes, look into a diesel i30 or what have you HOWEVER you may find that direct injection with optional turbo may have closed that gap without going to diesel
otherwise for avg. people doing avg. km, whats the point unless you find the diesel driving experience positive
There's another big plus of Diesel. In many states you can save on registration with a 4 cyl Diesel versus a V6 petrol. Especially for SUVs, utes, and 4x4s.
In Queensland a big diesel Toyota Hilux or Land Cruiser costs exactly the same to register as a puny Yaris.
But a V6 Camry will cost an extra $250 per year in registration/CTP.
I have always owned diesel cars but seriously considering if I would purchase another now that DPF's (diesel partical filters) are mandatory. There have been lots of problems in Europe etc where they have been in operation for a while. I don't like the fact that they can cost in excess of $3000 to replace and that they put the vehicle in limp home mode if they clog or develop a fault. Not a great idea if you do remote travel. Its seems all manufacturers are having issues with them and even if in warranty they will try and blame the owner for not completing scheduled burns etc.
Based on the performance of my ute at the moment, there more than the DPF to put a diesel into limp mode! Mine doesn’t have one and still trying to work out what is going on.
Cons, they're super sensitive to ingress. I.e. only a few ml's of water and a tiny bit of dust can destroy your very expensive fuel rail system (4x4's definitely, not sure about other cars).