As far as I know any big car (non-sedan) can park in loading zone for 15 mins, no? And even if you are talking about the technicality of "loading", how could the ranger know if the driver wasn't delivering parcels? How could they book you just by seeing you parked an SUV in a loading zone? Penalty is $183!!! Definitely going to ask for review!
Got Booked Parking SUV in a Loading Zone!
justwii on 02/01/2018 - 19:02
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Lol …stop whinging and pay the fine!
Must have gone to ozwhine…..byee!
and i believe only ambulances and blue dual cab utes made before 2007 are allowed to park on pedestrian crossings.
… the more you know…
Maybe OP was delivering hot air?
More like boxes of bullshit. Had a few left over and OP thought we might like them here…
'As far as I know any big car (non-sedan) can park in loading zone for 15 mins, no?'
NO!
Nek minnit, tourist bus parks in loading zone
You realise who is paying for their time right?
Yeah, the people who live in that councils area. Read: not me. Are you suggesting that the council would increase rates etc if lots of people contest their fines, especially considering that the people getting fined would likely not live in that councils respective area? I don't think this would be realistic.
I've never understood the total zeal to pony up hundreds of dollars at the council's request with little/no challenge. Every minute that money is in my bank account it is offsetting my home loan. How is appealing a parking fine any different from appealing a speeding fine and asking for it to be waived based on good driving history?
The council makes no allowance to waive fines no matter how rarely you have been fined. So they should have to work harder over a longer period of time to recover their fine amount.
Are you suggesting that the council would increase rates etc if lots of people contest their fines, especially considering that the people getting fined would likely not live in that councils respective area? I don't think this would be realistic.
Not exactly. The cost of a government employee's time to review these trivial contests is ultimately borne by the public taxpayer either directly (eg. ratepayers in the area) or indirectly (eg. higher taxes elsewhere, higher usage charges for public goods, or reduced benefits/public goods/etc.) given the funding model of councils/states/federal. It's easy to conclude that a few minutes of one person's time does not amount to much in terms of cost, but if everyone did it, then it would become material.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one should 'pony up' whenever someone asks for money, but if you know you are in the wrong and have no chance of any appeal (besides on grounds of compassion if you're lucky?) then why waste everyone's time/effort/cost for a non-value adding activity.
On a side note, maybe an interesting 'incentive' structure to weed out those frivolous claims could be had whereby those who pay the fine immediately without contesting get an early payment discount, or to add penalties or administration costs to those who contest but are unsuccessful? I suspect the latter would be grossly unpopular but I don't see why a discount scheme wouldn't work similar to strata plans which give discounts for on-time payment.
Of all the dumb piece of advice I've seen on OZB, this is perhaps the stupidest.
Another gem for the ozbargain 'I got fined! Help!' collection
It’s like clickbait for me - I just have to read it even though I don’t wanna … LOL 😝
Honestly what did you unload?
err… himself? :/
he's unloading now
if the OP was actually loading and unloading for a business there i would have all the sympathy in the world but since he's just actually parking…
get rekt
$183 cash
Can you please stop being a massive cuck?
You do this all the time and you get a ticket once then cry like a bitch on a forum about bargainsI can just see you rehearsing this story in your head, no one is going to buy it
Grow up and stop being the human equivalent of trash
"As far as I know"………..
I've heard some great excuses in my time - but this one really is up there with "God told me to do it"!!
What an idiot.
https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/driver-training-a…
In NSW a station wagon is defined as having a ‘sedan equivalent’, ie BMW 3 series sedan vs BMW 3 series wagon.
A BMW X-class doesn’t have a sedan equivalent therefore isn’t defined as a ‘station wagon’ in NSW.What vehicle do you have OP?
Copied from the NSW Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2017 dictionary:
Station wagon means a motor vehicle:
(a) in which any part of the body form that is adjacent to and forward of the front seat or seats, and the greater part of the mechanical equipment, are the same or substantially the same as in a car of the same make, and
(b) in which the body is carried without significant reduction in height from the front seat or seats to, or substantially towards, the rear of the vehicle, and
(c) that has an entrance at the rear suitable for the loading and unloading of goods, and
(d) that is manufactured with a rear seat or seats which can be folded or removed readily to provide additional floor space for the carriage of goods, and
(e) that, when the seat or seats immediately to the rear of the front seat or seats are in position for the accommodation of persons, has a substantial space for the carriage of goods in proportion to the overall size of the interior of the vehicle.But it appears that the definition of section wagon also includes 4wd and suv vehicles (somehow) as a quick rego check shows our 4wd based on a twin cab ute is registered as a station wagon, also checked a Patrol and Prado are station wagons. A Captiva, Kruger and a Forester are panel van with windows and seats - it’s not as simple as you’d think.
I believe to be defined as a station wagon (variant) the vehicle must have a sedan equivalent.
At least that was understood to be the old definition before 4WD and SUVs were born.
Patrol and Prado have varaints including a station wagon.
The vehicle classification may depend on how the manufacturer applied for a compliance approval. In some cases certain classifcations may lead to a lower tax on the vehicle. May explain why Captiva, Kruger and Forester are classified as panel vans with windows.
OP may have a case if he was indeed loading/unloading goods. He admitted otherwise and was just hogging the 15 minutes of limelight.
I've seen numerous times at the local shopping centre where all sizes of vehicles 'park' in loading zones. That practice must stop.
I hope OP gets what he deserves.
A free set of steak knives with his fine!
I have previously owned a LandCruiser 4wd that was owned by my company and registered for goods carrying purposes. I had no problems using loading zones for 5 years. You may have an arguable case if you can clearly prove it was intended for goods carrying like the above. Otherwise I suggest you pay up, the same as all around the world.
I had no problems using loading zones for 5 years.
WTF! I thought it was 30 mins, tops…
:P
Surely this is a troll post?
Hahahaha Oh wait, you are serious. Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHA
I must have had a parking ranger who didn't care or my putting on my hazard lights and raising my bonnet really did fool him.
Probably just didn't care, but I thought they really cared about sticking it to people.
the ranger is looking to see whether you have a commercial licence sticker letting you park in loading zones.
i'm glad they booked you, you deserve to be fined as much.
i was a delivery driver years ago and nothing would piss me off more than attempting to do a delivery and finding a general member of the public using the loading zones.
i would park my truck and go grab the parking inspector and make them aware of such vehicles parked illegally.
Please do fight it as I would be interested to see how much they increase the fine with costs added to the fine :-)
;-) Should have gone to SpecSavers stupid !!
Keep parking there every day, that'll show them! And when you get tickets, come on here and whine like a Valiant diff.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Guys, I just got refused service at KFC drive thru whilst driving in my toddler's toy car. It's called a "drive" thru and I was "driving". There is nothing saying it has to be a real car!!! Who can I complain to?!
See if you can have your case heard in the Food Court.
Nek minute 'No pedal cars' printed on A4 paper taped to order box.
OP: 'But my toy car's 12 volt'.
You do the crime you pay the fine, and maybe even time if you keep dragging on with it!
Pisses me off when I'm driving around trying to look for an open loading zone to unload goods and I see cars parked there. Finally, these people are getting booked.
Next time park in the handicap spot and show them this post of yours as proof of your mental handicap
I wish we had ozB academy awards.
Look, I am not defending the OP, but most replies here seem to be surrounding the fact that OP did not in fact unload stuffs so it was morally wrong to park at loading zone, which I totally agree. I am just interested here, is it legally wrong?
I think OP has made it clear in his OP that he has done something wrong but he is trying to see if there is anyway to get out of it (despicable I know), but putting all things aside, just looking from a legal point of view, does he have a case? If his vehicle is indeed classed as WAGON would he be able to argue that he was unloading stuffs (we all know he didn't), and hence was parking for 15 minutes?
does he have a case?
No
He was not loading/unloading. Case closed.
I feel the eligibility criteria is quite clear for vehicles other than public buses and trucks.
1. Are you loading/unloading?
If yes, go to 2
If no, you cannot use the loading zone.2. Are you loading/unloading person(s)?
If yes, you can use the loading zone for the period of time which the person(s) are getting into or out of, or on or off, the vehicle.
If no, go to 33. Are you driving a delivery vehicle?
If yes, you can use the loading zone for up to 30 minutes whilst loading/unloading.
If no, go to 44. Are you driving a station wagon or a motor bike with three wheels, constructed principally for the conveyance of goods?
If yes, you can use the loading zone for up to 15 minutes whilst loading/unloading.
If no, you cannot use the loading zone.The above decision tree does not factor in ticketed loading zones which merely involve an extra step of getting a ticket.
So based on the above, the Op fails at the first decision point (i.e. not eligible). That being said, disregarding 1 & 2 (ie. let's assume he was loading/unloading goods), the key question is whether or not the Op's vehicle meets the definition of station wagon as per the law. As we all know, (assuming NSW) the Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007 defines 'station wagon' as follows:
station wagon means a motor vehicle:
(a) in which such part of the body form as is adjacent to and forward of the front seat or seats, and the greater part of the mechanical equipment, are the same or substantially the same as in a car of the same make, and
(b) in which the body is carried without significant reduction in height from the front seat or seats to, or substantially towards, the rear of the vehicle, and
(c) that has an entrance at the rear suitable for the loading and unloading of goods, and
(d) that is manufactured with a rear seat or seats which can be folded or removed readily to provide additional floor space for the carriage of goods, and
(e) that, when the seat or seats immediately to the rear of the front seat or seats are in position for the accommodation of persons, has a substantial space for the carriage of goods in proportion to the overall size of the interior of the vehicle.So, without knowing exactly which SUV the Op has, it's difficult to form a tentative conclusion whether their vehicle meets this definition… but I would be surprised if they did.
But coming back to the assumption above, this all hinges on disregarding the loading/unloading goods piece. Since he was not loading/unloading goods, there is no case.
That being said, depending on where this happened, some councils have acknowledged there is an inconsistency and refunded infringements, but I would not bet on it. Refer to: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/south-west/parki…
So if OP's SUV is classed as a Wagon, does that mean he can get away with it by arguing that he was loading/unloading goods? How does the council define loading/unloading goods?
Again, don't get me wrong, OP's a douche bag because we know and he said himself that he wasn't loading/unloading goods, but what if he was to argue that he was? How does council define that?
So if OP's SUV is classed as a Wagon, does that mean he can get away with it by arguing that he was loading/unloading goods? How does the council define loading/unloading goods?
Potentially, yes.
To be clear though, the words in the legislation as for how long a station wagon or three wheeled bike can stop in a loading zone are:
the period during which goods are being dropped off or picked up from the vehicle or 15 minutes (whichever is the lesser)
There is no further definition and would be up to individuals/courts/etc to interpret if there was any ambiguity.
On a side note, I do NOT condone making false statements to avoid the fine. For all we know, there may be CCTV footage or other evidence which could contradict a false statement.
Are you a bush lawyer?
Excellent post! Which was why it was useful to post on ozbargain, full of pro. tips.
I don't need to know the definition of station wagon as it is written on the rego of the SUV it is of type WAG, so RMS or whoever manufactured the car had already defined it is a station wagon.
As I seriously doubted when starting this post, the ranger would have no clue if it was un/loading goods or not, more likely it was just booked simply because the ranger saw an SUV parking there.
More like saw an sub that did not appear to be loading/unloading.
hey i drive a big douche bag bmw x5 style car, i rule the road! i can drive and park however the hell i want, because douche bag level 9000!!!
It’s over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D
Another entitled individual who really shouldn't be let loose on our roads in charge of 2 tonnes of steel.
An SUV is still a passenger vehicle, your vehicle must be registered as a commercial vehicle to use the loading zone for more than the 2 minute passenger loading allowance
WRONG
OP fell into the SUV marketing trap
'SUV, It will take you to places you could never go before'
Unfortunately those places don't include loading zones…
I can see the next SUV TV Ad
Two 20 something girls return to their fake jacked up hatchback FWD SUV parked in a loading zone after a big shopping spree, they see a parking inspector writing out a ticket to a Van, they have a worried look as the parking inspector stops writing out ticked midway and glares their way, girls have worried looks then the parking inspector smiles and gives them a big thumbs up and waves them off then in the final scene the girls are seen laughing and smiling as they drive away and in their rear view mirror you see the poor van owner pleading with the parking inspector for a break but the inspector refuses and gives van owner a parking ticket…
'SUV, Go Anywhere, Anytime…'
SUV… Were you loading & unloading the kids in your Soccer Mom car?
how did you passed your learner test???
I'm very pleased to hear the OP got fined.
Nothing worse than selfish people who park wherever they want just because it was "only for a minute"I have an F350 dually. If an SUV entitles OP to the loading zone, surely I can park in 'emergency vehicles only'? I mean the bigger the vehicle, the greater the entitlement?
HAhaha! Awesome! I own a K100 Kenworth. Where the hell am I entitled to park?
“Yeah, I know I’ve parked on an airport runway, officer… but look how big my vehicle is! Can park that sucker anywhere…”
Only if you're unloading. With a 40 HQ that's only what? 1000 loose cartons? Won't be long inspector…
We are only 3rd day on the year and we already got candidate for the most stupid thread question
As far as you know dear OP you are TOTALLY WRONG!
Your Review has been DECLINED!
Instead please review the definition of vehicles that can park in loading zones.
THE ENDHey!! I have a Ford Falcon XR6 that looks a little bit like a police car. Does that mean I can drive fast like the police can, too? What a goose!
Only if you have the windows down and make the siren noise yourself
Hell, I would pay to watch that!
“Weeee woooooor weeeee woooooor weeeeee woooor…”
Buy a van next time you may have better luck. Make sure it's white.
You are allowed to stop at a loading zone for up to 2 minutes if you are dropping off or picking up a passanger.
But warning: if your passanger takes some time to get her bags in order and put the seatbelt on, you may get fined by a ranger who has been watching from a distance and taking photos to prove that you were there for 3 minutes.
True story.
I pity you if you were booked because of that. Really, where is that 2 minutes limitation coming from? The ranger him/herself?
Hey those calling me stupid or a douchebag retract your words. Look at how many others in this post who were also as confused as me!
Some said SUVs are not station wagons, same said SUVs are excluded, same said SUVs are allowed to park as long as you are un/loading, some even said the cars need to be registered for commercial use, now tell me again these are not confusing?
To top it off, how about trying to define "goods"? You assume they must be big and heavy? Who is assuming now?
You have have yet to say what you were doing at the loading zone! Want went in or came out of your car besides you?
Come on Spack, don’t let facts get in the way of a good story… :D
So were you loading/unloading or not? You haven’t said.
guys, i have an early model 2002 bmw x5, it a piece of crap and cost me about $2 but ppl must think think im rich because its a bmw right?! anyway, im going overseas shortly and was wondering, since, technically its an suv, can i just park it on the runway? i mean, its not a regular car, its a BIG suv, its basically the same as an a380
ps: i always wear my hat backwards, even on a sunny day
pps: even better thought, i could park on the runway, on a disabled spot! dam us "big car (non sedan)" drivers have it good
You got the best jokes jango.
Another 4WD driving Coot.
I drive 8 hours a day, all around Sydney Metro, and absolutely refuse to let any four-wheel drivers is in front of me.
I find them to be arrogant,uncooperative, belligerent, ineffective & not paying attention & mindless and purerly inconsiderate.
And I have 3 years of experience and you don't.Absolutely refusing also makes you arrogant, uncooperative, belligerent etc.
My mate drives a Station Wagon for work, company sticker/magnet on the side door, but also has a commercial permit for the dash. So unless you displayed your commercial permit, I'd say you're shit outta luck.
OP = entitled millennial or arrogant douchebag?
A little from column A and a little from column B…
My money is on OP driving a BMW X series….
Q. If Volvo drivers wear hats, what do BMW X drivers wear?
A. An attitude of Entitlement.
I thought we left stupid people behind us in 2017
This thread is hilarious. I know there are a lot of smart people on OzB, but troll detection does not seem to be a common skill. This guy is trolling you, plain and simple.
A big thanks to you all who gave good suggestions and professional advices! Just got my review result and they are cancelling the fine!
I don't know if, like I said, it was because of the regulation was not clear at all or even contradicting, or if they are doing it based on my good past record as there is no specific reason given on the letter.
Anyway, am really happy about the result and I will avoid touching this grey area for sure in the future.
Thanks for getting back and advising of the good outcome!
If you use an SUV for sole trader business purposes and are delivering goods are you still fined when using private loading zones and loading bays (even with permission of the venue)?
The vehilce has to meet the 5 criteria to be considered as a station wagon, unless a 3 wheeled bike. Regradless of registration status etc.
I even now of a security company who purcahsed 100 RAV 4's and thought they could continue to use Loading zones based on what the salesman told them. They previously had camry station wagons. They had to sell the whole fleet.
It depneds on the Coucil, the RMS are registering a majority of SUV's as station wagons instead of panel van forward and it depends on the council if they want to push it. City of Sydney, follow the letter of the law and it must meet the 5 criteria. It's revenue NSW who are making the decision based to let you off based on on RMS classification not based on the legal requirments.
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No, you moron. A loading zone is for delivery drivers, removalists, couriers, etc. An SUV is just a big car for private use. Worse, you assumed rather than checking for any legal ambiguity.