Accidentally Got The Wrong Video Card

LBaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 18:18
Last edited 06/12/2017 - 18:18

Hi people.

I thought for Christmas this year I might give my son a bit of a low budget ghetto gaming PC. I have no interest in games and know very little about hardware requirements. He isn't really into full on PC gaming but does do a lot of other stuff like photoshop and video editing. Now my plan was to use a refurb i7 27xxx series I've got lying around with 32 gig of ram in it and just add a low profile video card and semi budget monitor Viewsonic 27'' VA2719-2K. I already have a spare SSD.

After researching and so on I somehow clicked onto the wrong tab (had a hundred or so open at the time) and got this
GTX 1050 Ti that is not low profile. - its turned up today. It was a bit cheaper at $225 + 5% off ebay code.

What I'm after are suggestions about what to do now. Do I try and sell the card and get another low profile instead?

Since I already have the card should I consider getting the makings of a new PC instead, motherboard and CPU?

Or even try to find a refurb that will fit the full height card in the next 20% ebay deal?

Any ideas? I'm kind of broke and don't earn much so I can't stretch too far but he is the sort of kid who would understand if he had to wait a month or two for me to get all the parts together and he could use the i7 I have in the mean time.

Thank you.

Computing

Comments

  • [Deactivated] on 06/12/2017 - 18:21
    +13

    Get a new case and possible a psu

    • BaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 18:25
      +2

      Hadn't even occured to me! Do full size cards fit in mini ITX cases?

      • scrimshaw on 06/12/2017 - 18:28
        +1

        There are cases in the market that fit full size GPU's and ordinary size ATX power supplies. http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Lines/mini-itx/

      • [Deactivated] on 06/12/2017 - 18:30

        Not sure about that, however I have seen a gtx 1050ti fit in a hp elite without changing the PSU.

        • BaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 18:37

          It's a Lenovo ThinkCentre M81 5032 - RT2 Intel Core i7-2600 - I cant seem to find it on the Lenovo site so I'll have to check when I get home.

      • AustriaBargain on 07/12/2017 - 01:41
        +2

        I had the BitFenix Prodigy case, it takes a mini ITX mobo. It also fits full sized GPUs if you take the extra drive cage out.

        • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 20:35

          They look quite nice, definitely in the running.

        • AustriaBargain on 08/12/2017 - 00:23
          +1

          Yeah I like it. I'd def buy the green one (which they didn't offer when I got my red one).

        • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 12:01

          @AustriaBargain: He loves green too.

      • Ruckus on 07/12/2017 - 09:43
        +2

        Just built a new PC with a mini ITX motherboard in a Thermaltake V1 with a full size card (1060)

        Fits perfectly without modifications.

        • sghetti on 08/03/2019 - 13:07

          +1 this. Just did a build with a Core V1 with a RTX 2060 in it. Full size card and the cable management is great. Case is going for around $65 or so in many stores.

          https://pcpartpicker.com/b/mGzYcf

      • Slippery Fish on 07/12/2017 - 17:49

        Lol I'd go down to local opshop or metal recyclers and pick up a case for $2-5, buy primer masking tape and his favorite colour spray and some clear. Design your own paint job then we will put it together sorta deal.

        • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 12:03

          Would you believe my local opshop now charges more than things cost to buy brand new. I'll have a look though, old PC's would be a hard sell. I see PC cases by the side of the road all the time.

      • urzu on 08/12/2017 - 00:39
        +1

        I did that precisely. Fractal Design Core 500 ITX case with ATX PSU and 1080Ti. Was a tight fit, but it worked!

      • AMLagonda on 08/12/2017 - 17:58

        yes

  • scrimshaw on 06/12/2017 - 18:25
    +2

    A cheap atx case would set you back $50. For example. Deepcool Tesseract — that is the cheapest thing you will find in a MSY, probably. You could also lurk Gumtree or OCAU forums for spare parts.

    You'd have to re-case the computer in the new case and you may also need a new PSU.

    If your refurbished computer is not using a standard ATX power supply, it won't have the correct screw alignment and you won't be able to mount it.

    • BaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 18:40
      +1

      I think there is probably a good chance of this being the case. I might just keep the Lenovo refurb at my house for him and think about getting a second hand motherboard and cpu for him to stick the card in.

      Thanks for the suggestion.

    • BaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 18:30
      +26

      Yes accident. Had tabs opened with different cards, deciding between 1030 and 1050, decide 1050 Ti add to cart. An honest mistake. I am not trying to return it or do anything shifty, I am seeking solutions.

      I have medication that makes me a bit confused in the mornings and messed up, I am admitting it was my fault.

      • [Deactivated] on 06/12/2017 - 20:31
        +4

        Gary Busey has done far worse :)

      • mmd on 08/12/2017 - 10:36

        Did u pay with PayPal?
        PayPal pays for return shipping.

    • BensonP on 06/12/2017 - 18:44
      +9

      Dude, shit happens. Give OP a break!

      People put the wrong fuel in their cars sometimes, when they know what it's supposed to run on.

      • Zachary on 06/12/2017 - 18:58
        -2

        …yeah like Diesel in a petrol car……or petrol in a diesel car….of course you would notice right away since the car won't start, I think that's what happens if you put in wrong fuel type - I've not done it myself so no idea what would happen…..

        • pennypincher98 on 06/12/2017 - 21:25
          +2

          Nah the car blows up, you go to hell and everyone dies.

        • Zachary on 07/12/2017 - 20:41
          -2

          @pennypincher98: …right…

        • Serenixia on 08/12/2017 - 09:56
          +1

          From my female friend experience when she accidentally filled Diesel into an unleaded Car without realising. Ended up driving for a few km then the car just died. Had to get it towed. I think she ended up getting a new car hahaha

        • StarvingOat on 08/12/2017 - 14:26

          @pennypincher98: Dont you die and then go to hell? Or you die in hell? Strange……it would suck if you were to die in hell. Where would you go then? Potatoland?

        • pennypincher98 on 08/12/2017 - 15:43

          @RandomDeviation: Haha the hellish thing about hell is that you don't die. Everyone else dies except you and the potato monster down in hell :P

  • Richardc on 06/12/2017 - 18:54
    +2

    maybe paypal can cover the return shipping? just state not fit
    1050ti lp for $209 at umart https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?i…
    mwave https://www.mwave.com.au/product/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-t…

    • BaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 20:14

      That is the card I think I had meant to buy.

    • Maverick-au on 06/12/2017 - 20:31

      maybe paypal can cover the return shipping? just state not fit

      So you want him to lodge a false complaint with PayPal because of his mistake. The OP fortunately seems decent so will hopefully ignore your advice and do the right thing and sort it out with the retailer by paying any changeover costs instead of screwing them.

  • Ryballs on 06/12/2017 - 19:44
    +6

    I'd first contact the seller and ask if you can please exchange it for a low profile version. Say you are happy to pay the difference (if any). I've found most ebay sellers are quite understanding as long as you don't try to bs them.

    • BaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 20:12
      +3

      I haven't yet, the card I was going to get was from them (Futu) so I might give it a shot.

      • smpantsonfire on 07/12/2017 - 23:22

        And I bet it happens all the time. Give it a shot

      • Ryballs on 08/12/2017 - 12:47

        So how'd it go?

        • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 18:07
          -1

          I've decided to keep the card so didn't even try.

      • StarvingOat on 08/12/2017 - 14:29
        +1

        Futu is rly nice, I bought a MSI 1080 gaming x last year in november for like 899$. I have bought a lot of pc stuff from them and they once or twice they helped me out quite a bit. Plus for some reason their name on paypal is Academic IT haha

  • [Deactivated] on 06/12/2017 - 20:09
    +4

    Maybe try a PCI express angle adapter?

    • BaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 20:12

      I didn't know such things existed!

      • Kangal on 06/12/2017 - 21:21
        +2

        I don't think it'll work if the "ghetto pc" is a SFF (small form-factor) like the Dell Optiplex's.
        If it is a MT (mid-tower), it will work but might require some persuasion or hacksaw job.

        Dean, if you have the card in-hand and have the tax papers… maybe walk in to your local MSY/Umart in Sydney.
        See if the fine fellows might be kind enough to do a trade with you. Your regular card for one of their Low Profile cards, as long as the value is equal or lesser in their favour. Maybe bring in your system, see what they think. If worse comes to worse, they'll give you good advice… so there's nothing to lose.

        You might be able to also sell your card, and buy a Low Profile card by going to gumtree and facebook groups.

        I mean, its not like you bought a card that is worthless. Not like you bought a brand new AMD FX8350, or Core X-7740, or anything dumb like that.

        • Maverick-au on 06/12/2017 - 21:43
          +5

          Dean, if you have the card in-hand and have the tax papers… maybe walk in to your local MSY/Umart in Sydney.
          See if the fine fellows might be kind enough to do a trade with you. Your regular card for one of their Low Profile cards, as long as the value is equal or lesser in their favour.

          Why would any retailer take a card from another retailer in exchange for one of their own? What happens if the card is actually faulty? The retailer is out the cost of the other card. They have no proof of purchase for the card and even if it came from the same supplier (which is often not the case) it may have been sold ages ago or be stock that hasn't been paid for etc. No retailer working on such slim margins is going to entertain this suggestion for even a second.

          The easiest by far is to see if Futu Online will allow the return of the card (if it's still sealed in the box) and swap over for a low profile card and pay postage and admin costs.

          If they don't want to take the card back sell it on ebay/gumtree etc, buy a low profile card and wear the cost difference between the two.

        • BaryGusey on 06/12/2017 - 21:44

          I'm not above a bit of work with a dremel but since I won't be on hand to deal with any fixes I'd rather keep it intact. I'll have a look when I get home but I am fairly sure it's low profile only and bugger all in the power supply. Lenovo don't seem to have the specs on their website anymore.

          Not so easy to get to a shop in office hours for me but I might give this a go. I'm looking into second hand parts so he can have something a bit fancier to go with this card. I'm sure he'd love to build it with a bit of help from his Dad. He can then have the old SFF at my place for when he is there.

          Have started down the road of researching budget mini itx builds now, somehow all my ozbargains end up going in this direction. This is the direction I would most like to go in but not sure I can afford it. At least I've already got the card if I do.

        • Kangal on 06/12/2017 - 22:03
          +2

          @BaryGusey:
          Well, that sucks.

          Also just a heads up, PCIe (x16) connectors can provide upto* 75W of power.
          The GTX 1050Ti Low-Profile cards are rated to use 75W of power.
          Which sounds great, until you realise the Lenovo ThinkCentre M91 SFF has a very weak 200-240W PSU, coupled with the OEM custom motherboard and locked out BIOS… you may find there's not enough power in the PCIe slot. It might be just limited to 45W at which point you won't be able to use a GTX 1050 Ti, GTX 750 Ti, or RX 560.

          However, what should work is the GT 1030 and RX 550. The GTX 1050 and GTX 750 are an in-between "maybe".

          *I say upto, because that's what they're really rated for. But last year, the launch AMD RX480 cards were drawing around 80-85W from reviewers (who had expensive motherboards) and it was causing a lot of issues on cheaper motherboards.

        • Presence on 06/12/2017 - 23:01

          @Kangal:

          I have a M92P sff with a 1050 Ti, i5 3470 DVD drive, SSD, hdd, soundcard and never had an issue with the 240W PSU - even though 300W is recommended.

        • Kangal on 06/12/2017 - 23:06

          @Presence:

          Yeah, I didn't mean he will have an issue.
          The Dell Optiplex's seem the most robust, the Lenovo's come second, and the HP's come dead last.
          That's why I don't recommend the old HP boxes, I've found they can't support a card like the GTX 1050 Ti even though they should, however, a GT 1030 is possible (as long as that OEM bios allows it).

          Overall, the olde prebuilts have one big issue: PSU. Can't be swapped out on the SFF units.
          Second issue is the locked-down BIOS. And third issue is the custom motherboard.

          Still a great value, but you gotta know the limitations before purchase. Don't be a noob like Bryan from TechCity

        • Presence on 07/12/2017 - 07:26

          @Kangal:

          Yes I completely agree. Even though it's only 240w apparently it's got more current on a certain rail. I can't really remember.

  • ozbjunkie on 07/12/2017 - 00:03

    Contact seller, pay return shipping. If no luck, gumtree/ebay, or…

    Depending on age of son, frankenstein the case using tools as others recommend.

  • tio on 07/12/2017 - 02:14

    Any chance for a pix of back of the PC?

    • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 11:30

      Yes, but I don't have it with me at work.

  • solidussnake on 07/12/2017 - 06:58

    Can you not just remove the metal bracket around the card ?

    • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 11:30

      I think it's still too tall with the inputs falling past the case but will have to check.

  • theHMASfriendship on 07/12/2017 - 09:38
    -6

    Sell and get a 1080 ti

    • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 11:27

      1080 is way above my budget but thank you for the suggestion.

  • Tyronomo on 07/12/2017 - 09:54

    is it height thats a problem, or length too?

    You could try modifying the case to make it fit. Grab a dremel and put a hole it in.

    • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 11:28

      Height. Considering this option, will investigate over the weekend.

  • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 11:40
    +5

    Thanks for all the input. After sleeping on it I have come to think that helping my son build a computer and showing him that he can do it is probably worth far more than the cost of any parts so I am now inclined to go down this road. Like me he is high functioning autistic and I just know he will eat this up if I give him the nudge.

    What is the ettiquite here for posting a build thread, should I start a new one or do I just continue on?

    I am considering AMD, it seems like a budget friendly way to go. I have never used anything but intel before, he is getting into maths and engineering, any special requirements to consider for the future?

    I think he will need wifi too, is this best done with an add on card or USB? Do mobo wifi units work well?

    • HighAndDry on 07/12/2017 - 17:44
      +2

      I'm actually in the camp that thinks if you asked nicely and offered to cover shipping and any difference, the seller'd allow you to swap it for the card you wanted.

      If you want to build around this, start a new thread and we'll see what we can do! I use au.pcpartpicker.com to make sure everything is compatible. Wifi via a card is usually preferable than through a USB dongle - I find those die on me on a very reliable timetable.

      • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 20:38

        Thank you. pcpartpicker it is!

        • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2017 - 02:29
          +1

          Logical increments is a great site for general guidance on spending. The $1000 and up parts I'd say will provide a 5yr PC the $800 and less parts a 3-4 year PC. I like the 5 year cycle myself but you can sell at 3 year cycle as that's when all your warranties will end.

          Also if you plan building PC get Antec or seasonic power supply, gigabyte or Asus motherboard.

          Pccasegear are great with warranty as well. You can get better prices for lesser brands from lesser sellers but I think overall the price is worth it.

        • ozbjunkie on 08/12/2017 - 04:53
          +1

          Whirlpool forums also have many recent threads on all price brackets of diy gaming PCs.

          And they'll respond to questions of all levels. (ozbargain is also great, of course).

        • ausmisc on 08/12/2017 - 08:12
          +1

          I'd recommend having a look at some of these builds- you can open the PCPP links and then change it so that it sources the parts from Australian stores instead (Although it's quite a limited store selection so it's worth cross checking with staticice). I used one as a rough guide for a new build I did recently for my mother.

          https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds

        • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 12:16

          @voolish: I think you are right, five years is probably the sensible thing to aim for. I'm leaning towards delaying building now until I have more funds available.

    • greatlamp on 07/12/2017 - 23:39
      +1

      AMD also has the advantage that you will be able to upgrade the CPU in the future

      Intel updates their motherboard chipsets and CPU sockets so quickly that your board will be obsolete in a couple of years

      However you did say money was tight
      I would go with cutting your current case to make room before building an entire new pc.

      An old i7 will still play games ok, just drop the resolution a bit if necessary

      Also check out userbenchmark.com for a rough idea of how much faster a new cpu is to your current one.
      Don't get mislead by the overall speed, make sure to compare single core speed too, not all games can use multiple CPU cores effectively like a benchmark would suggest

    • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 17:48

      My apologies. I don't really know how to forum.

      • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2017 - 10:42
        +4

        I like to think this is more of a community than a strict forum. Ignore this guy with the plastic police badge.

        • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 12:07

          Thank you for this. Last night I had decided to abandon this thread and avoid participating any more because I was making people annoyed. I can see Amayzingone's point though, it makes it hard to find my question.

    • Wallyt99 on 07/12/2017 - 23:15
      +14

      @Amayzinone you are a dick.

      • tight-a55 on 08/12/2017 - 09:30
        +4

        couldn't agree more, its the back stories and other facts that make it an interesting read.

        • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 12:08

          Thank you tight-a55. I feel better after reading a few of the comments today. I don't think Amazingone is a dick though, just trying to be helpful in case of future posts I might make.

    • StarvingOat on 08/12/2017 - 14:35

      Amayzingone is the kinda guy that if you and him were in a spacecraft, you accidently let a fart out, he would jettison you into space along with all your possessions.

  • Kiato on 07/12/2017 - 19:06
    +1

    as i am sure it has already would have been mentioned by now. but take a ruler or tape measure or a piece of string and just see how much room there is actually available for the card. its very rare now days that a case will require a low profile card. find out how much room there is go to the manufacturer website and check its dimensions. the 10 series has a fairly small pcb and the 1050 range are smaller still.

    just saw your post from about 7 hours ago. its probably best to make a new thread if you want people to look over a specific build. But to answer your questions. wifi on a motherboard generally works well and also doubles as Bluetooth receiver in most cases so that is probably the easiest and best solution second would be a pcie card plugged directly into the motherboard.

    • BaryGusey on 07/12/2017 - 20:37

      Thank you. I'll come back to this after a bit of research and having a go at it on PcPartpicker as mentioned above by 0blivion.

  • Wallyt99 on 07/12/2017 - 23:12
    +1

    For a minute I thought video card was the card you took to the video store to get a video. Those were the days.

    • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 12:10

      Well I am a bit older than most seem to be here, I guess video card is 90's terminology and it's been that long since I built a computer.

      • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2017 - 19:55

        Wait what am I supposed to call it?

        • Wallyt99 on 09/12/2017 - 10:00

          I think these days it can be called GPU or graphics card but video card is also fine. I just had an alzheimers moment.

  • FreshPrinceofKP on 07/12/2017 - 23:17
    +1

    I ended up purchasing someones mini itx build and it has this case, Sugo SG13 case, really nice and fits full size GPU.

  • Tech and cars on 08/12/2017 - 01:02
    +2

    Mate, if you're in the brisbane area I've got an old PC case you can have. It's a coolermaster one from years ago.

    Let me know if you would like it :)

    • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 12:12

      Thank you for the offer but I work in Sydney. And live near Wollongong.

  • DangerNoodle on 08/12/2017 - 05:34

    The other option is how much room do you have around the pcie slot? You can get pcie riser cards/cables that will act as an adapter and let you run the video card perpendicular to the slot. Some small form factor cases come with these to allow full size graphics cards. If you look up cases like the Silverstone rvz02 or rvz03 you'll get an idea of what I mean.

  • Godric on 08/12/2017 - 06:57

    Contacting the seller is always the first step

  • misu p on 08/12/2017 - 08:10
    +2

    I think you went another way, just a heads up, if you want to move your Lenovo PC to another full-size case, you will need one of these
    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/parramatta/components/24-pin…

    Lenovo uses a proprietary 14 pin MB connection instead of the normal 24 pin one. This is an adapter for it.

    If you are close to Parramatta tell me and I will give you a good deal on it.

    • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 12:14

      Oh wow, that really opens up a few options. And gives me some time to think about a future upgrade with a bit more money available.

      • misu p on 08/12/2017 - 12:29

        Your i7 is still a good CPU. No reason why you need to change it. The RAM prices are crazy right now.

        • BaryGusey on 08/12/2017 - 18:01

          Yeah - I'd love to try and grab this off you if I can, a great solution if I can mount the motherboard in another case.

          I'll try and send you a PM later.

  • Pootie Tang on 08/12/2017 - 10:43

    I can recommend the Canopus Pure3D. Much better than the diamond.

  • johhny on 08/12/2017 - 12:55
    +1

    Do a Linus Tech Tips and just cut the shroud off. Hopefully it will fit.

  • Viper8 on 08/12/2017 - 12:55
    +1

    Just buy a $50 case and move it all into that. It will also greatly assist with increased airflow = lower temps.

  • AceIsMe on 08/12/2017 - 13:08
    +1

    If on a budget, never buy new hardware. Go to OACU and you can get some real bargains out there. https://forums.overclockers.com.au/forums/for-sale-pc-relate…

    To give you some examples, I bought a one month old $1200 video card for $800. I also picked up a brand new $1100 monitor for $400. It was a DOA unit and I just got it fixed under warranty. If you are patient you can find some really good deals out there.

    • BaryGusey on 09/12/2017 - 11:45

      10 year old account still works! Looks like I'll need to be quick, can see some good (closed) deals.

      • AceIsMe on 09/12/2017 - 13:06
        +1

        If time is on your side, you will find everything you need for the right price.

  • shangoz on 08/12/2017 - 14:31
    +1

    bought a riser then use this card for mining ?

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