With the NSW government testing the ability to store your digital car licence on your phone, what are your thoughts? Do you like it or do you hate it?
Digital Licences (NSW) - Thoughts?
18 on 15/11/2017 - 10:51
Last edited 15/11/2017 - 12:12 by 1 other user
Last edited 15/11/2017 - 12:12 by 1 other user
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- 53Great Idea
- 10Horrible Idea
- 2I don't care
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If I'm home late after a few beers Kari4.8 is sweet as, sign me up:)
Even better, the cops should be able to scan your face and check your details via facial recognition.
I've had a photo of my licence on my phone for years just in case I've forgotten my wallet. Never had to use it though.
They will. It's being built.
yeah and put chip on my hand so i can just waive to open train station gates.
Yeah, and a yellow star on the governments unfavoured citizens!
In Vic, you don't need to carry VIC Car license, As long as you have any other Current ID proof.
In Vic, Probationary drivers and those aged under 26 must always have their licence with them when driving.
Already been there in other countries
The big problem that needs to be overcome is how this will work without any battery power. If you still need to have a hardcopy licence in case you run out of battery then it defeats the whole purpose.
The vast majority would have a charger in their car. There's also USB charging facilities popping up everywhere!
They should but from the number of my friends who constantly need to borrow a charger or powerbank it seems that many people can't keep their phones charged.
A Xiaomi powerbank in every police car. Tightarse will get them a good deal.
I mean I would imagine at least initially it would be an optional thing. So if you are good enough to be organised and keep a charged phone on you. Then you may avoid the burden of carrying a physical licence.
Been behind this for ages and love the idea. To be able to jump in the car and just have my phone which I can use for my licence and pay for things and not even have to carry any cards or wallet.
oh nice android and iOS but no windows phone app
It's a terrible idea. First the government make it an offence to use/touch a mobile phone while driving, and now they want motorists to use it while not being parked. Could they please make up their minds.
Of course you'd be parked when in a situation where you'd have to produce your licence, although not necessarily in a designated parking area.
Of course you'd be parked when in a situation where you'd have to produce your licence
Being parked is not the same as simply being stationary. Depending on where you are and the type of road, you could be doing one or the other when you get pulled over.
Having said that, I'm sure no court will uphold a mobile phone fine for trying to produce your licence.
If you are talking to a police officer in NSW, you will be parked. The difference is whether you are in a place where you can allow the vehicle to stay, eg. not at traffic lights.
park, in Part 12 and for a driver, includes stop and allow the driver’s vehicle to stay (whether or not the driver leaves the vehicle).
https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/regulation/2014/75…
Of course you'd be parked when in a situation where you'd have to produce your licence
the road rules definition of "park" in nsw includes stop and allow the driver's vehicle to stay (whether or not the driver leaves the vehicle).
a driver stopping a vehicle for a rbt/mdt on the side of a road where there are parking restrictions is not parked. they're allowed to stop contrary to the parking restrictions because of directions given to them by an authorised person.
I disagree. Their vehicle can stay there during the interaction so they have met the definition. They can even leave the vehicle if instructed by the police. As you say, the parking restrictions do not apply. What part of the definition of park are they in contravention of?
I disagree.
A vehicle "stays" at a red light or at a stop sign too - but if you use a mobile phone at either of those places, you'll get a ticket.
The relevant phrase is not "stay", it is "allow the driver's vehicle to stay". That implies that the driver has chosen to keep their vehicle there. That is the difference between "stationary" and "parking". If I'm stopped at a traffic light, it is because road rules traffic and conditions have dictated that I must do so. I didn't choose to keep my vehicle there. The same applies in a clearway if the traffic has stopped.
If you were stopped for mobile phone use at a traffic light, you could try to talk your fine up to obstruction of traffic and probably a few other infringements. That would certainly be novel but I'm not sure if it would be successful.
If you have another definition of parking, I'd be interested in seeing the relevant legislation.
… because road rules traffic and conditions have dictated that I must do so. I didn't choose to keep my vehicle there.
The rules also dictate that I must stop when directed by police. I don't think anyone chooses to keep their vehicle there when they're pulled over and waiting for a traffic ticket! :p~
The legislation doesn't seem to have a clear definition of what "park" is but the brochure from the RTA/RMS interprets/references the term in relation to mobile phones:
"Drivers can only use a hand-held mobile phone if their vehicle is parked in an authorised parking spot".
(Page 7: http://myrta.com/ebus/docs/rescat/pdf/5/2200/45094066ttopten…)
Other references I have seen refer to the vehicle being "legally parked", which is consistent with the brochure above.
That seems like a commonsense directive - you should never park illegally, you can only use use a mobile phone while parked, so it makes sense that you can only use a mobile phone while parked legally. That wording seems to reinforce the fact that if you pull over to talk on your phone, you still have to be mindful of parking somewhere legal. I don't think it causes any confusion to say that you can use your phone to show a cop a licence while being parked in an unauthorised parking spot, because most people understand that the rules of legal parking don't apply when being directed by a cop.
Also, the use of the phrase "parked in an authorised parking spot" implies you can also be parked in an unauthorised parking spot, ie. parking is something you can do either legally or illegally, hence the phrase "legally parked". None of that sheds any light on the definition of parking though, so the one in the Road Rules will have to do.
Great idea. If you're pulled over the police should have the capability to check your licence and bring up photo of you on their mobile computing device. As long as you provide your name, address and date of birth to them then they shouldn't have a problem finding you on the computer and they should be able to see your previous convictions and your photo.
A physical licence will still be needed for overseas travel.
Good point. There isn't really any reason for us to carry a licence at all when driving.
nooo my phone battery!!!!
Imagine how easy it would be to cut and paste a new DOB onto the image to "prove" your age at the local liquor store. All the under 18's would be laughing!
You can even add your picture on a copy of someone else's licence if you wanted a "fake ID" and use it anywhere where they don't have access to the back end system to verify the details - that would be pretty much anyone! (other than the cops and the relevant authorities).
you need a specific app with a government account to log into it with, i doubt its going to be a png, it'll likely have various verifiable things, the most obvious being a qr code or barcode that can be scanned, maybe you could screenshot someones and edit the photo and open that instead of the app, but its a smart system scanning it will bring up the licence info including the real picture.
i guess it all depends how much money they pour into this, plus its still illegal to do even if its easier
but its a smart system scanning it will bring up the licence info including the real picture.
I really doubt that anyone, other than the relevant authorities, would be given access to the database that will allow the person's picture or details to pop up when the code is scanned.
plus its still illegal to do even if its easier
Illegal or not, I don't think that's ever stopped anyone from committing identity fraud! hahaI think they will give access to everyone and anyone.
They've done this for years.
I think they will give access to everyone and anyone.
They've done this for years.Like who?
I can't think of anyone/company, other than government agencies (or their representatives), that has access to the licencing databases.
excellent idea, i basically only have my wallet on me so i have my licence for a large chuck of the time already, making that digital would be excellent
From the NSW training for a Responsible Service of Alcohol (RSA) card, it's explicitly stated that a photo of a valid ID is not acceptable proof of age. Meanwhile, once you get the RSA card, it is acceptable to show a licensing inspector your RSA card via the Service NSW app on your phone, as it is displayed with an overlaid code which the inspector can apparently use to verify that you're legit.
Personally I don't like the idea of handing my unlocked phone to a cop. Also when you travel it's expected you'll be able to present a drivers license, not a phone.
Mandatory digital licence is a great idea. It should also be linked to the phone's GPS so driver/car speed can be centrally monitored 24-hours a day and speeding fines distributed as necessary (or better still, automatically debited from our bank accounts). Our good men and women in blue could then spend their precious time on catching baddies. Come to think of it, I reckon GPS software could be written to also know when cars don't stop at stop signs, run red lights, tailgate, cross double lines and a myriad of other traffic offences. Bring it on. Let's not wait for 2084.
It should also be linked to the phone's GPS so driver/car speed can be centrally monitored 24-hours
leave the phone at home?
Fine with me!
Provided they give me a smart phone, that is.
i like digital. everything should be digital.
including digital food, and girl friends too