UK Ethnicity Enquiry Report ~ How to Stop Australia Getting into Same Water

SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 12:55
Last edited 11/10/2017 - 13:07 by 1 other user

Recently I have seen many advertisement from well-known recruitment company in Sydney to hire more consultant from UK & Ireland….they openly ask people to contact them on LinkedIn and seek.

I am not sure how do they get visa and why Australia allows them to have job as there are many unemployed who can do recruitment consultant job in Australia…These are not the skill under short supply in Australia.

Another thing I noted that they only looking for consultant from UK & Ireland….WHY?? ?

Once those guys/girls comes here they then only/mostly recruitment people from UK & Ireland!!!

If we really needs to protect Australia and its future then we need to make sure that recruitment of overseas candidate is on skilled based not just because they are from UK/Ireland so they can come in.

Then I read this latest article today….I am sure majority would agree that we don't want to see Australia turning like this….

Why Peter Button not stopping this illegal recruitment scandal run by recruitment companies instead of introducing dodgy citizenship test!! ? Why Mr. Button not stopping government agency to hire people from Overseas and push for more local candidates in local jobs. (Talking about CEO, Director, Chairman position)

What are you thoughts !

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Comments

  • Zenyatta on 11/10/2017 - 13:10

    I don't see the connection between hiring people from the UK/Ireland and the article that you posted which was to do with disadvantage suffered by racial minorities.

    I'm sure you can appreciate that, just like hiring candidates from Australia, you can get people of a range of ethnic backgrounds when hiring from the UK/Ireland.

    • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 13:30
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      @Zenyatta: Yes there are people of range of ethnic backgrounds in UK & Ireland but when majority of recruitment consultant who comes from UK & Ireland are on similar ethnicity (White to be precise). Those people then only/mostly hire those with UK or Irish background which is the problem and also reflected in the report that there is racial discrimination on rise in UK and when they come to this country they also do the same by hiring people from their ethnicity rather than hiring people with right skill and experience.

      Second point is that recruitment consultant is not the job that need exceptional skill or not something that is missing or on shortage in Australia…! By allowing hire for low skill job from overseas we are not doing any favour to locals or economy.

  • spackbace on 11/10/2017 - 13:15
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    I am not sure how do they get visa and why Australia allows them to have job as there are many unemployed who can do recruitment consultant job in Australia…These are not the skill under short supply in Australia.

    If you have the skills, you'll get the job and they won't need to recruit from outside. It's such a bullshit excuse to say 'oh no they're not hiring perfectly good Australians'. If Aussies wanted the job and were capable, they wouldn't need to advertise for outside workers.

    It's the UK and Ireland, what is there to be worried about? We're a multicultural nation, and I can tell that English is your second language OP, so you obviously emigrated here at some point, so what's the problem?

    • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 13:23

      @Spackbace: If you believe that multicultural means UK & Ireland then you don't know meaning of multi-culture.

      There is no problem for someone to hire candidate from UK & Ireland, however there is problem when they only hire those who comes from UK & Ireland. There is problem when those people then further only Look for people from UK & Ireland.

      • spackbace on 11/10/2017 - 13:34
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         If you believe that multicultural means UK & Ireland then you don't know meaning of multi-culture.

        That's not what I said. Re-read and comprehend my comment.

        Anyway, why the issue? Are they taking a job from you?

        • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 13:39

          As I said in my response there is no problem for someone to hire candidate from UK & Ireland, however there is problem when they only hire those who comes from UK & Ireland. There is problem when those people then further only Look for people from UK & Ireland.

          If people from UK & Ireland hire only/prefer those form UK & Ireland and then others do the same then we will see workplace full of silos of particular community and nationality so that is not multicultural means.

          Second point is that recruitment consultant is not the job that need exceptional skill or not something that is missing or on shortage in Australia…! By allowing to hire for low skill job from overseas we are not doing any favour to locals or economy and creating society that is not cohesive and comprehend multi-culture.

        • HighAndDry on 11/10/2017 - 21:40

          @SydBoy: Nothing stopping you from starting up your own business or recruitment agency and recruiting from whereever the hell you like.

        • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 21:42

          @0blivion: calm down don't take it personally.

      • Ryanek on 11/10/2017 - 14:17

        UK and Ireland are different cultures so I don't get your point. Are you implying that mult-cultural just refers to looks?

      • whooah1979 on 11/10/2017 - 20:05

        There is problem when those people then further only Look for people from UK & Ireland.

        Middle eastern and asians hire employees in the same way. Do you have a problem with that?

        • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 20:07

          yes….read my responses in the thread before making comment…..

        • whooah1979 on 11/10/2017 - 20:12

          @SydBoy:

          There is problem when those people then further only Look for people from UK & Ireland.

          I did. I read it as a migrant protectionist trying to protect local jobs that the locals don't want because of low wages and unfavourable working conditions .

        • Godric on 11/10/2017 - 22:29

          @SydBoy: Reading previous comments is not of the users forte..

  • dcep on 11/10/2017 - 13:49

    are they getting lower pay ?

    i know this is generalisation but we ozzie seems laid back, slackers, browse ozb on work, yet demand high pays.

    • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 14:13
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      Lol It is generalisation indeed but how do you know that those who are commenting or browsing are working? Laid back and slackers are not the probably right words as you have not seen how big slackers poms are! I probably worked in all these countries over the years….! They are big time big mouth wordsmith!!

      • dcep on 11/10/2017 - 15:34

        "They are big time big mouth wordsmith!!"

        That's required as a recruiter.

      • VeeDawg on 11/10/2017 - 21:15
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        You argue for multicultural equality yet you find it necessary to make negative sweeping generalisations about individuals of a particular cultural background.
        If similar comments were made about people of colour, everyone would've been up in arms yelling racism. Yet when blatant prejudice is directed at Caucasians the silence is deafening.

        • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 21:26
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          You read half comment and start making it offensive for yourself…..read my all responses…what i said "There is no problem for someone to hire candidate from UK & Ireland, however there is problem when they only hire those who comes from UK & Ireland. There is problem when those people then further only Look for people from UK & Ireland."

          then i further explained "
          If people from UK & Ireland hire only/prefer those form UK & Ireland and then other community do the same then we will see workplace full of silos of particular community and nationality so that is not multicultural means."

        • whooah1979 on 11/10/2017 - 21:34
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          @SydBoy:

          however there is problem when they only hire those who comes from UK & Ireland. There is problem when those people then further only Look for people from UK & Ireland.

          why is this a problem? it would be easier for british and irish migrants to come here and assimilate than migrants from other parts of the world. that is a benefit australia.

        • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 21:36
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          @whooah1979: Read and comprehend entire comment…i also said "If people from UK & Ireland hire only/prefer those form UK & Ireland and then other community do the same then we will see workplace full of silos of particular community and nationality so that is not multicultural means."

        • whooah1979 on 11/10/2017 - 22:22

          @SydBoy:

          we will see workplace full of silos of particular community and nationality so that is not multicultural means.

          this is bad because?

          migrants of different nationalities prefer to socialise, transact, marry other migrants from the same community. that's just how it is. no government can change that unless they want a repeat of the 1950s.

        • samcro on 12/10/2017 - 12:50

          @SydBoy: No, you said "what big slackers poms are…"

    • KaTst3R on 11/10/2017 - 14:21

      Once there was some road work that was being done opposite my apartment by 4 blue collared workers. One guy was in the excavator, the other 3 were laughing and chatting at the side of the road. I dont wanna make any assumptions here but it doesn't paint a positive picture.

    • [Deactivated] on 11/10/2017 - 14:30
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      im gunna tell mi union bout dis…

  • danb on 11/10/2017 - 13:53
    +1

    Recruiters come and go so fast, plenty of opportunity if thats what you want to do. The company i work for often have incentives of a few grand if we bring a recruiter onboard and they last the probation period. Its a UK company so even in aus they have alot of different characters from overseas, but thats often in house movements that they promote. Alot of the guys from the UK have the personality for recruitment, they are outgoing and have the drive to make money, plus use the fact that they get to travel to aus for a holiday while working. Not saying others dont have this personality but they all have a very similar personality from what ive seen.

    • carwashhair on 11/10/2017 - 14:42
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      Alot of the guys from the UK have the personality for recruitment, they are outgoing and have the drive to make money, plus use the fact that they get to travel to aus for a holiday while working

      Great point - I have always thought this. It's personality, gift of gab, humour, cheek - recruitment and HR feels like it's all about the subtleties of reading people so you can pitch and position a job to appeal to someone.

      To the OP, I sort of understand what you're driving at - sadly, it's just a form of nepotism that is rampant in every society. As much as the media and government sells us a meritocracy, it all boils down to who you know, not what you know.

      It's interesting talking to my dad, boss and others in their 60's and 70's - they tell me that pubs in NSW towns often used to be informally segregated between Catholic and Protestant. Likewise industries - the Catholics were (are) still big in Union-controlled retail, and they used to employ their like in State Rail. This stuff was likely happening up until the 1980s, believe it or not.

  • Baghern on 11/10/2017 - 15:17

    Because they're good talkers… Their culture means even their dumbas'es are more eloquent than us convicts.

    Being a good conversationalist creates perception of knowledge and skill where there is little.

    Yes I've noticed what you're saying going back 20 years.

    To those who disagree it is a racial (yeah i know there are ethnics who are good talkers from Engliand too), its a generalisation, issue that is not seen or considered.

    Just chalk it up to another 'white privileged area and move on.

    Then again if you're Asian you're given the benefit of the doubt at being good at numbers…

    • [Deactivated] on 12/10/2017 - 12:17

      We are not convicts, Baghern, the convicts were actually all British…

  • PJC on 11/10/2017 - 15:51

    Who is Peter Button? Google doesn't seem to know.

    • SydBoy on 11/10/2017 - 16:00

      Mr. Peter B(D)utton….!! Now Google again !

  • Iangh on 11/10/2017 - 15:54
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    Somebody has a bee in their bonnet.

    UK is same as Australia, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-06/a-third-of-young-peopl…. Unfortunately, it's the typical case of a majority discriminating against the minority. Shouldn't happen, but does everywhere, e.g., USA black lives matter, Rohingyas, etc., and change is slow, too slow.

    I'm a Brit and there have been times when I have not been put forward by a UK consultant. I'm a sample of one so not a rigorous argument against OP's contention. I wonder if a ???-Australian is more favourable with ???-Australians. ??? = race, colour, creed, football team…

    Interesting conflation of the news article with Brits' behaviour, no doubt to give credibility to an objectionable assertion. The assertion by itself has racial connotations, in my humble opinion.

  • kallico on 12/10/2017 - 09:24

    I suggest you google the ethnic makeup of the uk! You are making assumptions before actual fact,

  • Iangh on 12/10/2017 - 12:38

    OP, is this thread about white people from the UK and Ireland?

  • esq on 13/10/2017 - 13:37

    I'm not sure if you're trying to racebait or this is a legit chip on your shoulder you'd like to discuss.

    Based upon your diction you are obviously a migrant and that's cool, we or our ancestors all were at some point in the last 2 centuries.

    Surely you may have figured out by now that govt policy and procedure is imperfect and inefficient. Business on the other hand always finds a way to capitalise on market opportunities and maximise profit.

    In regards to your question and discussion point… Im sorry I genuinely am not understanding what you mean by illegal recruitment scandal.

  • Yorkshire-Man on 17/10/2017 - 22:03

    This is a sector I know well.

    Recruitment is Sales, low base & high commissions. We’ve been advertising for recruiters for years, IT recruiters specially. We’ve advertised everywhere for experienced people, paid recruiters to hire us recruiters, tried Facebook / google / Snapchat… you name it & had no luck. Instead we are training young Aussies but realistically it takes a year (3 grads currently in training) so reluctantly we just went to the UK to hire experienced people.

    So, it’s likrky more necessitated rather than desired…. but we would never advertise to hire any nationality. We take anyone with the right experience!

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