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That's a bit harsh. There are plenty of people who benefit from supplements. I personally take B12 and D3. And my doctor agrees that I need to take these. I need B12 due to my almost vegan diet, and vitamin D because I don't get enough sunlight (my work requires me to be awake during hours USA are awake). My doctor has confirmed that a very large portion of the population don't get enough vitamin D.
Sure there are many supplements that won't do anything. But if you are deficient in something particular and you're not able to correct your diet/life style then they can make sense.
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There are plenty of people who benefit from supplements.
Thats self confirmation.
In a study with placebos and the actual "supplement" the end results show nothing of gain. Before people take any medicine or supplement they should KNOW it works for their benefit, rather than ASSUME because they want to believe. When you goto a doctor they and the manuf (Big Pharma) have done real trials and tests and shown said things work enough of the time.
WIth supplements there is ZERO proof of any of this. Its basically an empty promise, or scam, they kinda of promise a lot without being specific. You dont have to beliewve me, look at the packaging, or even better CALL THEM.
Sure there are many supplements that won't do anything
Which is precisely the point, most people are taking supplements that DO nothing.
Mate I just want to buy some Quest Bars alright.
Btw, as a matter of strategy, don't do what you are doing how you are doing it. I agree that a lot of vitamins and minerals aren't worth diddly but you aren't going to reach people with your attitude AND your all vitamins are bullshit stance is just as stupid as someone taking a 'hurrdurrr vitamins yay' stance.
AND your all vitamins are bullshit stance is just as stupid as someone taking a 'hurrdurrr vitamins yay' stance.
So its stupid to suggest that people do some research about what they do about their health ?
Mate I just want to buy some Quest Bars alright.
We all know thats not the primary business of the above shops, and believe it or not, you arent the only person in the world. THe majority use case for health food shops is peddling supplements…
Nice strawman bro. It's crystal clear which aspect I targeted AND I also already agreed with the notion that people should pay attention to research.
The actual answer is 'it depends'.
In many cases, people don't need vitamins as they get sufficiently enough through diet.
In other cases, a large majority of people don't get enough of specific vitamins (vitamin D is a prime example, where especially in less sunny regions, many people go through periods of vitamin D deficiency). Now if someone said they lived in the tropics and were Vitamin D deficient…well….
Fish oil is another one where many studies have shown that diets high in Omega 3's assist in preventing oxidative damage in our cells, brain and so on. It also assists with cognitive function (yes, studies have been done).
There's also other cases for vitamins/supplements.
St John's wort for instance, has clinical studies to show it can assist in combating mild depression.
And so on and so on.
A simple search on PubMed for specific vitamins/herbs will show you studies DO exist. Yep they're not as prevalent as those for actual 'drugs', because they aren't regulated as a pharmaceutical, so there's often not a lot of incentive to study it, if something isn't as valuable (read profitable) as a prescription drug.
So, I honestly have no idea where you're getting your facts from (the 'internet' I guess, or maybe one of those Facebook groups), but there's enough research to show that vitamins/supplements can assist most people from poor diets and lifestyles (to some degree).
Due to the relatively inexpensive cost, they are 'generally' a good value proposition to most people. Caveat is you also need to be careful with some vitamins to ensure you don't over do it.
So again, it depends, and your blanket statement is pretty incorrect.
In many cases, people don't need vitamins as they get sufficiently enough through diet.
Prove that any people dont get sufficient vitamins from their diet.
You are again making statements with no proof, of course if im wrong SHOW me…
In other cases, a large majority of people don't get enough of specific vitamins (vitamin D is a prime example, where especially in less sunny regions,
Except we live in Australia not northern Norway, so your example is complete nonsense.
St John's wort for instance, has clinical studies to show it can assist in combating mild depression.
ok i did a quick check with google scholar and its true i found a study that does say this. But the problem is st johns wart is a natural thing, powdered vitamins is not.
A simple search on PubMed for specific vitamins/herbs will show you studies DO exist.
Except that isnt true about vitamins. Most public belief about vitamins has been debunked, eg vitamin c and the cold many times over.
Theres a big difference between tthe vitamin powders and "herbs" which are plants.
Rather than refer to natural things like herbs, show me an example of vitamins actually helping ANYTHING, and i mean ordinary people not exceptional cases that rarely affect Australians. We must talk about normal sitations not exceptional cases, just like its not fair to say everyb ody wins at lotto when the truth is quite different.
Block-quote Prove that any people dont get sufficient vitamins from their diet.
What do you want me to do? Blood test every person and get back to you?
Have a scan..have a read…only 74902 studies that somehow relate to vitamin deficiency…don't ask me to summarize all the articles, go read for yourself.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=vitamin+deficiencyBlock-quote Except we live in Australia not northern Norway, so your example is complete nonsense.
Really? Maybe you don't live in Melbourne, but Melbourne's pretty shit 8 months of the year (when it comes to sun exposure and vitamin D). Actually, we have on average 180 days a year of cloud..that's 6 months of no proper direct sun light. Remember a little thing called 'Seasonal affective disorder' - yep related to Sun light exposure (Vitamin D, melatonin among other things).
Block-quote ok i did a quick check with google scholar and its true i found a study that does say this. But the problem is st johns wart is a natural thing, powdered vitamins is not.
Umm……just umm. You know we don't eat the plant it comes from, only a processed part of it? (extracted). Synthesized vs 'natural', same same (effect).
Block-quote Except that isnt true about vitamins. Most public belief about vitamins has been debunked, eg vitamin c and the cold many times over.
See above. Certain vitamins, SURE. I don't disagree. They are definitely over marketed. Vitamin C only helps absorb free radicals, it 'may' help 'reduce' a cold, but recent studies actually show Vitamin D is a far better 'free radical neutralizer' than Vitamin C (hence may be more effective in reducing a cold).
Block-quote Theres a big difference between tthe vitamin powders and "herbs" which are plants. Rather than refer to natural things like herbs, show me an example of vitamins actually helping ANYTHING, and i mean ordinary people not exceptional cases that rarely affect Australians. We must talk about normal sitations not exceptional cases, just like its not fair to say everyb ody wins at lotto when the truth is quite different.
Vastly different situations. You're talking about something that is completely measurable. Biological systems aren't, especially when it comes to things that already exist and our body has a tendency to be able to adapt to some deficiency.
Here's an article -> Vitamin D deficiency in the US (which will be very similar to here). https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vitamin-d-deficie…
I think you might need to go study some biology/biochemistry, instead of reading Facebook, because you clearly don't have an understanding of how vitamins etc take part and what a deficiency can mean, nor do you realise that shitty diets, processed foods and all around being unhealthy, are pretty good indicators of someone needing certain (not all) vitamin supplements (or just eat better, but that's a bigger lifestyle change).
Block-quote Prove that any people dont get sufficient vitamins from their diet.
What do you want me to do? Blood test every person and get back to you?
Yeh thats how real doctors hand out medicines. People dont just start taking cancer treatment because they want too.
Have a scan..have a read…only 74902 studies that somehow relate to vitamin deficiency…don't ask me to summarize all the articles, go read for yourself.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=vitamin+deficiencyJust because there are studies doesnt mean those same studies agree lots of people in society should be taking vitamins.
They are definitely over marketed. Vitamin C only helps absorb free radicals, it 'may' help 'reduce' a cold, but recent studies actually show Vitamin D is a far better 'free radical neutralizer' than Vitamin C (hence may be more effective in reducing a cold).
Im sorry your mumbo jumbo doesnt make it true.
Here is one reference with real citations to real studies that show vitamin c is worthless, something quite different from the claims you are making.
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-C
Regarding the incidence of colds, a distinction was observed between two groups of participants: regular supplementation with vitamin C (0.25 to 2 grams/day) did not reduce the incidence of colds in the general population (23 trials);
I think you might need to go study some biology/biochemistry, instead of reading Facebook, because you clearly don't have an understanding of how vitamins etc take part and what a deficiency can mean, nor do
Here we go, ad hom attack, stay classy,.. i wonder how peer reviewed journals use this approach. Shame on you.
The actual answer is 'it depends'.
Bullshit. Facts are always facts, if someone wants to claim something helps a condition, then there must be trials to prove this outcome. This isnt optional.
When airbus or boeing build a new plane or make modifications, they dont get to pretend its safe or that it works, they must prove it thru trials and other procedures. THis is how science works, you dont get to make shit up.
Good one. You got me…..(sarcasm just in case you missed it).
Talking about a physical object that is measurable and is a 'thing' which can be replicated to be identical.
VS a biological system that has variability inherent to it being 'biological'.
The thing is, everyone's pretty different ('inside'). Diet, lifestyle choices, their environment and so on, all mean that what works/applies to one person, doesn't always apply to another.
If you fail to understand that, then you'll never 'get it'.
People aren't planes. We aren't all 'manufactured' and identical. This means not everything will work, when it works on someone else.
The same reason medications don't all work on all people.
Stop reading Facebook and read an actual biochemistry book, or maybe one on medicine.
Are vitamin supplements guaranteed to make your life better? Nope.
Do they work for everyone? Nope. They'll only work if you're deficient (and yes people are…see the link above and go read).
If you understand how biochemistry works, you'll understand why supplements 'can' work.
If you want to stay in your little bubble of it's a conspiracy to get people to buy stuff they don't need…well, to you I guess.
I guess 5 years of biomed/science was all a lie….
VS a biological system that has variability inherent to it being 'biological'.
The scientific method works in all sorts of fields of human endevour including medicine. Pharma manage to prove their drugs work enough of the time.
If you understand how biochemistry works, you'll understand why supplements 'can' work.
Rubbish, if you claim something works, then it should have been proven in a study following the same rules as big pharma manages when they test their drugs.
If something works for a problem, then it should be easy to demonstrate this with studies. So where are they ?
Go on find me a study that demonstrates vitamins really work.
The same reason medications don't all work on all people.
I never claimed they did. The world is a big place, billions of people, show me a study that vitamins have helped any body with a real problem in a measurable way in a clinical study.
Show me an example. If what you are saying is demonstrably true it should take you moments to find any example for any vitamin for any illness or health problem.
Dont bother, this guy wins the douche of the day award. Lots of vitamins work and there are plenty of studies that he can google himself but is doctor has told him they dont so nothing works and has a reason so we need to prove it to him. Clearly this guy needs more than vitamins can help him with. Let me guess your going off the advice of a GP lol. why dont you go speak to someone that is an expert in the field such as a nutritionist to getsome actual advice, not from someone that is certainly no expert in it. This is why GP refer people to specialists, because they are not a specialist in anything genius
There is plenty of research out there to show the benefits of many vitamins so go look it up yourself instead of trying to tell people they need to do research for you. no one is going to help a douche…
Our bodies need vitamins and minerals. Fact. If you don't get enough of the right vitamins and minerals then you can take a supplement to (no surprise here) supplement your intake. The issue here is that a large portion of the public take supplements when their doesn't need any supplementation.
If you don't get enough of the right vitamins and minerals then you can take a supplement to (no surprise here) supplement your intake
Prove that people dont get sufficient supplements. If you read the gov commentary from real doctors they themselves tell you most people are just fine without vitamins.
The issue here is that a large portion of the public take supplements when their doesn't need any supplementation.
Thats right 99% of people dont need vitamins and if they did need any they should be supervised by real doctors not random people with no qualifications of any sort working in a health food shop.
ninetyNineCents on 15/09/2017 - 10:49 Comment score below threshold.