Ripped off > $4000 from Flyer Company - What Can I Do? Can't Track Them down

Krazyy on 30/08/2017 - 13:04
Last edited 25/09/2018 - 01:00 by 1 other user

Please please please, can someone help?

I am disgusted at how "bizpromo.com.au" has dealt with us. We wanted to letterbox 60,000 homes. We are a registered non-profit organisation with the ACNC. They are very polite and quick to take our money, but then do not deliver and then it's all downhill from there. No calls are answered, no return emails, etc.

After posting a review on productreview.com.au a few months back, Ja__ (censored for privacy reasons) immediately called me up and explained they were having a system change over and somehow our order slipped through the cracks (odd?). He assured me that he will review everything and find out exactly why the order was not complete… a week went by and multiple follow-ups with him (on his direct mobile number and via email) and then he finally agreed that it was a major mess-up and sounded very genuine and promised me a full refund. They said they did not have the money right now so it would need to be done in 8x fortnightly repayments.

He asked me to take down the review as it looked bad on their business, etc.. I (UNFORTUNATELY) did what he asked.
Since then, not a single refund has come through, his phone is now switched off and when I email him it says he is on "sick leave until further notice"… ?

I have tried looking up their ABN, etc.. but it is registered as a "hybrid trust" and i've had a real hard time trying to get information on the company so I can give the details to NCAT so they can place an order on them… i've spoken to ABR they said it is an ATO issue because it is a hybrid trust, the ATO said they can't disclose it as it's not their jurisdiction.

I am totally out of ideas and really want to see this money ($4000+) again.

Any suggestions please?

Mod: (25/9) The OP and Bizpromo have now taken their dispute to legal channels. Thus, comments are now closed.

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  • [Deactivated] on 30/08/2017 - 13:09
    +2

    What was your method of payment?

    • Krazyy on 30/08/2017 - 13:10
      +4

      Good thought. It was bank transfer. I now realised I should have refused to pay with anything other than visa/mastercard, etc. (so I have the ability to conduct a chargeback).

      • [Deactivated] on 30/08/2017 - 13:11
        +2

        Exactly…

  • KaTst3R on 30/08/2017 - 13:23
    +1

    Have you tried the police? At least speak to them and see what is their response and if they are able to help with a potential fraud.

  • NotJustChickenDinner on 30/08/2017 - 13:27
    +2

    maybe wright a new review, a recent one had a refund just recently ..

    After paying for printing and distribution of my flyers back in April I was promised delivery by end of April 2017. This has never happened. After months of chasing and leaving multiple messages and emails, I was promised a refund. This has finally happened on 22/08/2017. My business suffered because of this experience

    Hello Maros,
    We had an issue with some Flyers going missing with this order, which is very rare, but we had a change of personnel as you are aware and the Person you were dealing with is no longer with our Company. We reprinted the Flyers at our cost and started distributing them, which you agreed to. You said you were still not happy, so we issued a full refund for you within a week and it has been paid to your account. No one Person can make a decision on these matters, as there are numerous Contractors involved and any investigation must be very thorough as we have legal Contracts with these people that do the Distribution and we hold Walkers to a high level of compliance with our systems. They must prove they have done the work before invoices are paid. We have had considerable costs associated with this order and have taken the loss as part of good customer relations. We wish you the best in the future.

    Bizpromo.com.au
    Customer Service

    • tomsco on 30/08/2017 - 15:35
      +2

      Haha, love their responses. They say that the flyers go missing which is very rare, but quite a few of the review responses, they acknowledge it's gone missing.

      What a joke of a company (reprint at our expense - why even say that?)

  • ausdday on 30/08/2017 - 13:34
    +1

    Can't you file a complaint to ACCC? If they have the ABN, and you can show your bank transfer, I think ACCC would look into it.

    • whooah1979 on 30/08/2017 - 13:55

      The accc isn't going to lift a finger for $4000. Try looking other possible victims. They may do something if there is more money involved.

    • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 15/07/2018 - 20:43

      Correct,

      If what is said is true, that would be the obvious course of action.

      1-year later, they got $2,500 immediately, with balance to be judged after investigation.

      Some walkers have claims, this is covered in

      https://bizpromo.com.au/terms---conditions.html

      We provide services across the entire continent.

      Do you think a couple of people on this website is a fair representation?

      Plus, conditions and terms, protecting both customer and contractor are ignored.

      Thank you.

      Bizpromo.com.au
      Customer service

      P.s.

      Anyone could log on to this dodgy website and pretend to be us.

      If your genuine, ring main phone or email and quote this post.

      You will be Answered like anyone else.

  • [Deactivated] on 30/08/2017 - 13:44
    +4

    i've spoken to ABR they said it is an ATO issue because it is a hybrid trust, the ATO said they can't disclose it as it's not their jurisdiction.

    You can run a "company name search". It will cost around $30. It should give you the name of all the directors and addresses.

    Looks like the company is based in QLD an you're in NSW. Might be expensive/difficult to pursue them in another state.

    I hear the bikies in Queensland are very efficient.

    • Krazyy on 30/08/2017 - 14:57

      I have tried to run the company search (as per my comment I just posted 30 seconds ago, but to no avail).

  • mskeggs on 30/08/2017 - 13:51
    +38

    Never had to track down a trustee before.
    Their Whois record on the bizpromo domain mentions another trust called 134 PUBLISHING TRUST.
    They have an ASIC record:
    (removed personal detail)
    https://connectonline.asic.gov.au/RegistrySearch/faces/landi…

    Here is more about Brendan:
    (removed personal profile)

    They also operate under the names Bizflyerexpress.com.au and flyersexpress.com.au
    They have the phone number (removed personal detail), which I presume you have called.

    Brendan also had an ABN as a sole trader: ABN 25 382 231 011
    The bad news is he has been prosecuted by ASIC in 2011:
    http://download.asic.gov.au/media/1302367/11-281AD-attachmen…
    The offence was section "530A – failure to provide books and records to the liquidator" which doesn't sound promising.

    And he has a number of disputes similar to yours:
    https://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/flyersexpress.com.…

  • [Deactivated] on 30/08/2017 - 14:03
    +11

    Pray to god??

    • Scrooge McDuck on 30/08/2017 - 22:46
      +1

      God is on sick leave until further notice.

  • enzioFirenze on 30/08/2017 - 14:40
    +1

    may be god's sending a sign about starting a new church?

  • onetwothreefour on 30/08/2017 - 14:46
    +7

    'god works in mysterious ways'

  • Krazyy on 30/08/2017 - 14:58
    +3

    What is interesting (okay, not surprising) is that they can't answer the phone or emails etc.. but yet they are "actively" replying to reviews on productreview.. in fact, one was just replied to as recent as 1 hour ago.

    • Ryanek on 30/08/2017 - 16:29
      +2

      Most likely cheap offshore reps who maintain awareness on social platforms.

    • burningrage on 30/08/2017 - 17:37

      Clearly a scam. Need to report it for immediate takedown….

  • JetLi on 30/08/2017 - 15:26

    Sounds like you need some divine intervention?

  • try2bhelpful on 30/08/2017 - 18:37
    +2

    Not sure if flyers are going to allow you to reach the masses anyway. Not sure if the equivalent of the small claims tribunal is open to you. However, it sounds like this guy is dodgy as heck. I would go back to putting a review up on Productreview and then write of the money.

  • spackbace on 30/08/2017 - 19:21

    https://www.productreview.com.au/p/biz-promo.html

    Go nuts guys :)

    • JimmyF on 30/08/2017 - 21:40

      and do what? We don't have any issue with them. You post your own review and go from there.

  • Kail on 30/08/2017 - 19:23

    I would put negative reviews on every social media and review site they have, warning everyone about the scam and how they are refusing to provide either the service or the refund. Refuse to even discuss your reviews until you have your money back. If they do end up giving you a refund, leave the reviews up anyway to stop others from being scammed also. I don't understand why you can't take them to NCAT. Why are they refusing to take the case? They wanted a name and you gave them one.

    I would also report them to ACCC. Given their many victims as shown in the scamadvisor link someone posted above, I'd hope they could be shut down since they seem to be operating a scam rather than a legitimate business.

    Good luck getting your money back. You may have to take this as an expensive lesson in using safer methods of payment in the future.

  • JimmyF on 30/08/2017 - 19:35
    +2

    We were starting out a new church

    WHY!? Don't we have enough already?

    and really want to see this money ($4000+) again.

    God works in mysterious ways, clearly, god believes bizpromo needs the money more than you!

    God bless and carry on my child!

  • dylanando on 30/08/2017 - 20:46
    +1

    Ask him nicely on twitter: https://twitter.com/Omnicentrist
    Guy seems like a fruit loop!

    • Krazyy on 31/08/2017 - 13:32

      How did you relate that twitter profile to the guy?

      • dylanando on 31/08/2017 - 13:37
        +2

        he commented on a review of his old business from his fb, hes fb links to this twitter.

  • ibuy on 31/08/2017 - 08:16

    Have you tried asking A Current Affair or The Project to do a segment? That would really cause severe damage to these people. The exposure would be worse than any thing you could do on social media unless you have a hige number of followers and influencers.

    • Krazyy on 31/08/2017 - 13:33

      I wonder if they would be interested in doing it since normally they deal with larger sums of $$

      • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 15/07/2018 - 21:01

        Hello Joshua,

        Not because of the amount of money, you made all this stuff up.

        Perhaps people listen to unsubstantiated reviews, government, they want evidence.

        Come on Josh, lets give these people some evidence. We have it.

        Paula too. Dodgy website reviews are easy. You did not say this on product review.com.au ?

        They have rules,not ozbargain.com.au

        Bizpromo.com.au

        Customer Service

        People, read our reply to Josh?

  • [Deactivated] on 31/08/2017 - 09:06
    +1

    Try the Courier Mail ,
    They may have a crime reporter interested in a Oz wide scam based in Brisbane,
    especially if you have contacts for other victims ,and have leads for them to follow

    Alternatively debt collectors
    Can't see ozbargain squad having much effect milling around the street on their mopeds
    They will work for hungry jacks vouchers though

  • HeWhoKnows on 31/08/2017 - 10:39

    With such services its always payment on delivery and you would normally do so checks to ensure your piece was actually delivered

  • pgcs on 02/09/2017 - 09:05

    Payments done by bank transfer can also be reclaimed.

    I recall a report of an Art Crim buying paintings, paying by transfer, then getting his bank to return it.
    It may also be worth having a chat with someone higher than 'teller' in the bank.

  • FSTB on 04/09/2017 - 12:53
    -2

    Joshuah, I've been in contact with our saviour and this is the Lord's way of punishing you for your sins.

    If you want God to forgive you, I'd suggest you try this

    https://youtu.be/of1Sa3oyTBs

    FSTB on 04/09/2017 - 12:53 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
  • Paula M on 10/11/2017 - 11:53
    +2

    Hi everyone I am new to this forum and seen Josh's comments. I sent you a private message and contact on the other preview site.

    I too have been ripped off by Brendan. But I count myself as one of the lucky ones cos it wasn't in the thousands. Very rarely can anyone rip me off I usually do my research. Unfortunately I didn't on this occasion. Brendan I know you are reading this and indirectly you forced me into getting my own walkers and business couldn't be any better. Anger got me motivated and got me great results for both my business and my husbands business. However I would like to see this scumbag Brendan bought to task and happy to join any class action with others who have been scammed by him. Thank you all for sharing knowledge is power.

    • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 16:19

      Another case of Defamation.

      Would you care to rephrase this "Ripped Off"

      Goodness, you called the Police.

      They looked at it and interviewed Brendan.

      They said not Ripped Off.

      He is taking personal action against you.

      But, you know that and still leave this here to be seen.

      So, Legal Action is coming your way.

      Spreading Lies online is Defamation and Targeted Harassment.

      • Hybroid on 21/09/2018 - 16:57
        +1

        Not sure openly threatening 'Legal Action' on an forum online on a post from a year ago is helping your case. You might be better off learning from how other companies manage PR and social media effectively to win users over. You do you though.

  • Paula M on 30/11/2017 - 15:31

    Josh if you reading this get back in touch I have some info for you.You have my number in private message on other bizpromo preview review site.

  • Wibbley0405 on 19/03/2018 - 01:12

    I had the same experience with this same company (or similar name same owner) about 3 years ago. I booked and paid for the flyer print and distribution and nothing happened. When I realised that I had been scammed, I did further research and felt sick when I saw the name Brendan Mod: Removed Surname. I have known this person in the past and he has been running companies that have come under question for at least the last 30 years.
    At first he denied that there was any issue and the flyers had been delivered however I knew a number of people living within the drop area and nobody had recieved them. I did a bit of internet snooping to get his personal mobile number. After a number of direct phone calls, he eventually refunded the entire amount.

  • DebbieA on 12/07/2018 - 22:10

    Hi Paula M l am also interested in a class action against BizPromo. I was engaged by Walk4work as a "Teamleader" and completed many hours of work along with three other walkers and we never recieved any financial payment. We would all be interested in joining with you. I cannot understand how this person is still permitted to conduct business. He is scamming walkers and business owners alike. It seems that he will refund money to some businesses if he is cornered with very negative reviews. But what about all of the walkers? Teenagers, disabled people, single parents. How does he live with himself? He is a very misguided person and must have a horrible life. He needs to be put out of business and shut down.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 15/07/2018 - 16:46
    -3

    In reply to joshuah (Mod: Edited),

    re: claim he was

    "ripped off by a flyer company for $4,000"

    Bizpromo.com.au

    Joshua, you have made claims that you have no particular business details that your communications went unanswered and you do not know the physical address of the business.

    You updated this review in February of 2018 and you restated in fact that you have had no contact and no ability to "track us down" at that point too? Lies, Joshua.

    You know full well that you did have contact, the matter was being investigated and two and a half thousand dollars was sent to your organisation without question pending investigation for the balance.

    It is now nearly a year you still have not indicated that you read our terms and conditions of sale and you have not completed the application for a refund which is very clear and states our policy between contractors and clients.

    You have lied to this website including the proprietors, you have used exaggerated claims to do nothing more than cause malicious damage. You were advised the business is seeking defamation action against yourself personally and from our webmaster whom you have maliciously slandered in this review as well. Read who the trading entities are, bizpromo.com.au is a registered business name and entity, domain registration is with the webmaster. You know this, but have chosen to play a game with the users of this ozbargain website

    It is astounding people decided to research this without even going to the website with all of the business particulars and to read the terms and conditions which clearly state policy re: customer Terms and Conditions and Contractor obligations.

    If you have the ABN and the ACN how could you not be able to serve documents? Why doesn't someone reading this ring fair trading, small claims or a lawyer and ask if this is true?

    Why has there been no contact from Fair Trading or ACCC?

    If what you say is true, we would imagine you lodged a complaint. 1 year nothing, but your reviews.

    You also placed a review on productreview.com.au but did not make these exaggerated claims as they would not allow you to do so without producing invoiced evidence.

    We are registered with productreview.com.au and they have known our business for 4 years and they know our business particulars to send their billing to our registered address.

    It seems only OzBargain allows people to write whatever they want without any evidence whatsoever.

    People might want to look back because reviews had been excellent for so long until yourself and Paula thought that by causing damage they can avoid terms and conditions. You and Paula started this online click-bait trolling campaign

    You appear to be the only person invoiced claiming not to have the full business particulars and the address as per the invoice and once again why did you not say this on the other productreview.com.au website?

    You have indicated that you cannot make any commercial complaint because you have no details on the business, which is patently false and one year later no action has been received by yourself nor has a request for refund form been submitted as per the terms and conditions you agreed upon when you place the order.

    You have incited the users of this website with what you had stated without any fact whatsoever, you have another client "Paula Morrell" that simply cancelled an Order and to avoid a late cancellation fee is now stalking the business online and has been told clearly that no claims will be settled outside of small claims due to the nature of these malicious attacks via review. Also, the refund request form has not been received? It is clearly displayed on the Terms and Conditions page bizpromo.com.au

    In addition, now you have a contractor adding to this review which is interesting considering that you 2 customers, yourself and Paula are trying to say that jobs do not get completed, but someone who is a contractor expects payment for work? If we do not process the orders and actually complete the work how can what you say to be true if contractors claim pay?

    Our Customers have final say in when funds are released to the contractors. Bizpromo.com.au is a freelance website for people looking for work contracts with our customers. All websites of this nature require the customer to authorise release funds for work completed. With the contractor that has just added to this review, the client has absolutely asked that no funds be released at this point.

    https://bizpromo.com.au/terms---conditions.html

    In addition, we made a request to speak to the head of your organisation regarding this review and regarding the matter that you are overstating, you refused to provide the address for your organisation, the organisation contact for a head person, nor a phone number for this to be resolved outside of malicious reviews Posted by yourself.

    So, Joshua, we have our legal action still being prepared against yourself and Paula, no settlement will be discussed outside of small claims or another commercial resolution setting. So, send the paperwork, you know the address. We think you will owe money not be claiming it, we have counterclaims to lodge.

    Every time a view is indicated on this and your other review, or a client mentions your reviews the level of damages sought increases.

    There is nothing more to say than realise all that you have published has been screenshot long ago, your original post was toned down in February, but you lied again, can't find us again? Track them down? This will be produced at any small claims hearing or defamation proceeding.

    The replies you incited from the site users to post are a part of this. They have been screenshot as well.

    If people think there are no guidelines for reviews, or repercussions we suggest they search, online review defamation, Slayter and Gordon Solicitors. They specialise in this.

    At least correct the lies and tell the truth.

    Why does this ozbargain.com.au not allow for direct responses from businesses?

    Productreview.com.au lets you reply and actually vets the reviews for improper usage.

    This seems to be a click-bait site.

    bizpromo.com.au
    customer service

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 20/09/2018 - 23:18
    -4

    Call this Guy Joshua, he started the negative threads. Why no legal action? Because he is a liar who hangs out on Ozebargain.com.au doing deals.

    [Personal details removed. see Guidelines this rule applies regardless of whether this information is public or not.]

    He is a web designer that pretends to be part of a Church.

    His day in Court is coming.

    Stay away from this Web Designer. He is a Liar.

    Ask to speak to the head of the Church while your at it. Right Josh.

    Brendan Mod: Removed Surname is suing you personally.

    Ripped off $4000 by a Flyer Company

    Funny, Brendan Mod: Removed Surname had no contact with you at any point and did not own the business. Ripped Off $4000 By A Flyer Company???

    Brendan Mod: Removed Surname is Web Consultant - You know what that is, right. He did not even know who you were, he did not ever speak with you until you started this harassment and hid your true identity, until now…

    You had contact all the time and the emails and bank transfers prove it, why do you still say help me find them? Your such a Liar.

    We have all your particulars. And your Business name. Some reviews are coming your way on your conduct along with the legal documents.

    Targeted Harassment - Defamation.

    You SEO'd this review, your not the only web person Josh…

    Oh and before the Mods try and take this down, this is Public information.

    [Personal details removed: see Guidelines]

    • tomsco on 21/09/2018 - 09:56
      +1

      Wow. You sound really needy.

      By the way, it's "you're".

      All you're doing is making yourself/your company look petty and guaranteeing others will not do business with you.

      Pull your head in.

      EDIT: Wow, just looked at your responses on Product Review. Maybe you need to look into a PR rep or consider liquidating.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 13:26
    -2

    This Post is just to advise Josh that we now have his full details and Documents are forthcoming.

    He can't hide anymore.

    Interesting how so many People with no direct connection, Business background or Legal Knowledge chuck their 2 cents in.

    If you want to make stuff up online and place things out of context you are subject to penalties.

    Anybody we identify will be part of proceedings.

    https://www.slatergordon.com.au/blog/do-defamation-laws-appl…

    This firm has been retained and have started preparing documents.

    • tomsco on 21/09/2018 - 13:40
      +3

      As I said before, by posting here, you're just making it worse for your company.

      At this point, regardless of if Josh lied or not, you're damaging your company image just as much as they did.

      A good rep would apologise, maybe throw in a fact or two to discredit the complainant and would follow up to say what they've done to resolve the initial complaint. Those are the businesses that get more business.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 14:11
    -2

    Josh started the negative threads with his comments on Product Review as well.

    2 years of trading and there were none.

    The Narrative was created, and then anyone with the slightest problem saw his post and a another persons and assumed the worst.

    Business processes to resolve complaints are not possible when you have blatant lies being believed.

    If disputes are genuine, Small Claims are their to resolve issues.

    What People do is use reviews to apply pressure to achieve a result outside of Commercial Law.

    Why anyone would believe what they read on a for profit website, that needs negative reviews to justify charging businesses to respond is a mystery.

    These websites are not Free and not Government supported. Every business is entitled to represent their side of a claim in a legal environment.

    People also do not have context. This is an Australia wide service, the scale is much bigger than most can comprehend. Breakdown 20 reviews over each state over years and you have 2-3 disagreements for each.

    Look at the gaps in reviews, 6 months and not one at times. Hundreds of Jobs were completed in that time frame.

    Josh started the product review negative threads by saying he could not find us.

    We are here talking to you, so that is clearly false.

    Do Jobs occasionally not work out, well Yes, just like any Company. Instead of being allowed to use internal verification processes to Audit the jobs, a few People have gone straight online, seen Josh's comments and say, "Do This Or Else". They also say they will take the review down if we comply. It a form of extortion.

    If Claims are genuine, a solution is always reached. If we believe that the Claim is not accurate, then Small Claims is there to be an adjudicator.

    Why has Josh insisted that he has no contact? This is Click Bait and malicious.

    He will be held accountable, which is the right of anyone, or entity in this country.

    He had contact the entire time and was presenting himself as a representative of a Church. He does not mention he also received $2500 with the balance withheld when we became aware of this malicious attack.

    The lies are so blatant that this is a clear cut attempt to damage personal and Business reputations.

    We requested Josh's particulars for Document Service and he did not respond. We also asked for the contact details for the Church so we could discuss what actually did, or did not happen with this Job he claims was not completed. Once again no response. We then said, well lets go to Small Claims and let them settle it, once again no response.

    Up until Josh started saying that he could not contact the business, there were no series of negative reviews.

    Now we know he is a web designer not a Church member we know why. Now he has to face legal proceeding, as it took us until now to locate him.

    Also, why does he have no Social Media presence. Very strange.

    We are not here to answer this stuff, just this is the only way to contact Josh, real business People don't use reviews to resolve matters and don't believe everything they read online, it is simply that we have located him now and on principle he will be taken to Court.

    The lies are clear for anyone to see if they choose.

    • tomsco on 21/09/2018 - 14:54
      +2

      The lies are clear for anyone to see if they choose.

      May be, but once again, all your tirade is doing is turning away potential customers.

  • rompastompa on 21/09/2018 - 15:25
    +3

    This thread would have been buried if it wasn't for Bizpromo's constant bumps.

    You might as well add me to your sue-fest, as I'm not going to use your business. Nothing to do with the original post, but due to your horrible PR.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 16:01

    You can't leave fake comments like this unanswered. How do you PR blatant Lies?

    Google searches the threads so these things don't ever get buried, only to your users.

    Answering and calling out the lies is a must.

    If defending Yourself and taking appropriate legal steps is bad PR, then so be it.

    At the end of the day, all of this is the foundation for quantifying damages in a legal setting, not on a private website.

    Every post is evidence. Every comment that Josh incited from Users is actionable for a claim against him. That's what online defamation is.

    Better People read this in context of responses, than believe what has been stated without rebuttal.

    • tomsco on 21/09/2018 - 16:43
      +3

      How do you PR blatant Lies?

      By telling people what you did to solve the issue in a pleasant way, not by coming into a public forum and threatening people and therefore sullying your companies name.

      If defending Yourself and taking appropriate legal steps is bad PR, then so be it.

      No. Posting irrationally to the public is bad PR. I'm sure if you have sought legal counsel, they would've told you to keep quiet and once a judgement was made, then the judge could order the removal of damaging posts.

      Every post is evidence. Every comment that Josh incited from Users is actionable for a claim against him. That's what online defamation is.

      What about the posts from yourself. These will cause just as much damage against the name of your company. You can't blame Josh for that. You're not really mitigating your damages.

      • Hybroid on 21/09/2018 - 17:01
        +2

        So true. Shocking how they don't understand simple concepts.

        Regardless of whether any claims are true or not, this will deter prospective customers not so much because of alleged claims but the really really poor handling of the issue by the company rep.

        People post garbage reviews on everything online, look at literally ANYTHING on Amazon but doesn't mean everyone believes every bad review and no other company goes apeshit like this. Not a good look.

        • rompastompa on 21/09/2018 - 17:17
          +1

          doesn't mean everyone believes every bad review

          However, you're more likely to believe OP due to the bad, obsessive way that bizpromo had replied to those accusations..

          The PR is that bad, I'm thinking that a disgruntled client (OP) might be bizpromo. Surely a business would not handle themselves this badly!

          Must be a slow day in the office!

        • rompastompa on 21/09/2018 - 19:01

          Additionally, it wouldn't be hard to discredit this anyway.

          The usernames of the people who have issues are similiar, 3x of the accounts made just to comment, two only signed in once to comment. That alone rings alarm bells to anyone looking for validity.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 21:47

    Lol. Yes, Josh we know you run all these accounts that support your argument.

    Keep going. More evidence.

    Your on here everyday and earn money from it. Your history is Public.

    Save it for People that don't understand the web.if you were who you say would not be on so often.

    This is truly funny.

    Just wait for the legals.

    Your Doxed.

    • Hybroid on 21/09/2018 - 21:55
      +2

      This is a joke, right? It's gotta be.

      • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 21:58
        -1

        Funny, truly. Hard to be professional with this. Enjoyable. Anyway, let him tell it to a court. Who are you? An anonymous person on a dodgy website.

        Our Customers would never be in a place like this, and if they were we would not want them.

        Josh, we know its you.

        • Hybroid on 21/09/2018 - 22:02
          +2

          Our Customers would never be in a place like this, and if they were we would not want them.

          Good to know. Then what are you worried about? Last I checked, this is one of the highest traffic websites in Australia. Hardly 'dodgy' but to each their own.

          I'm not Josh and have no dealings with you. I'm not for or against you in respect of your business practises. But your online presence is simply atrocious. You need to have a rethink on how potential future customers will view your responses here.

          Your best bet is just to back off and let it die. If you have taken legal proceedings about the individual then leave the courts to sort it out. But of course you haven't because first thing lawyer would say is don't speak to anyone about anything.

          It's not rocket science.

        • mskeggs on 21/09/2018 - 22:07
          +2

          You aren't doing yourself much in the credibility stakes by posting paranoid accusations that everybody must be "Josh".

          Maybe you could explain your business dealings with Josh, why you apparently offered him thousands in refunds that he didn't take up, and what would be motivating him to do all the relentless posting you are accusing him of?

          If your position is Josh was a disgruntled customer who is over reacting to a minor disagreement, why not explain why you acted reasonably, instead of threatening the police and lawyers? You look like you are panicking!

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 21:52
    -2

    We will be asking this site for the IP addresses

    • tomsco on 21/09/2018 - 22:04
      +2

      Yeh, good luck getting that without a court order.

      Meanwhile this page will remain highly rated in Google and potential customers will see how unprofessionally you conduct yourself.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:07
    -1

    High traffic website? Why is it so poorly designed and so poorly are the policies enforced?

    If People are looking for deals fair enough, but look at what you people are saying. Hardly set up for this.

    Dodgy, We stand by. Anyway, in Court will request IP addresses, and your will be included.

    Not rocket science right?

    They can't refuse a Court order.

    • mskeggs on 21/09/2018 - 22:10
      +2

      Sport, ozbargain is one of the biggest e-commerce sites in Australia. You might want to take a breath before you call the lawyers:
      https://www.cloudways.com/blog/top-20-ecommerce-sites-in-aus…

      By all means ask your lawyer to pursue me too! I would be upset to miss out.

      • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:12

        Ok, what is your real name and address. Big statement for an anonymous person.

        • mskeggs on 21/09/2018 - 22:17
          +1

          I post under my real name, how about you, Bizpromo?

    • tomsco on 21/09/2018 - 22:14
      +1

      Ok, but your persistence with threats here suggests you haven’t even sought legal advice.

      Won’t respond again. As has been mentioned, there quite possibly is more to the story than what Josh has said, and quite possibly Josh is lying.

      But if you don’t want to take our advice and wish to continue to tarnish your businesses reputation, than that’s up to you.

      Why is it so poorly designed

      I hate to finish on this point, but there’s a saying that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

      • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:15
        -1

        Yes, that is the typical statement of a Troll.

        Want to test that theory?

        Whats your name and address?

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:10

    You are probably Josh.

    Come on.

    You People believe any post.

    Government sponsored websites are the only ones that matter.

    I don't see any listing on their Scam website.

    If People believe whats on here they are not Business People.

    But, Keyboard warriors.

    • mskeggs on 21/09/2018 - 22:14
      +4

      You got me.
      I started posting the first of 8000+ comments here in 2012 in a complicated sting to build credibility on a website so I could unfairly besmirch your good name.
      And I would have got away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids!

      I guess I'll have to return to those government websites where the business people are.

      • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:23

        By the way. Love the Scooby Doo reference.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:16

    So, what your name?

    Easy to do that when no one knows who you are.

    Keyboard Warriors

    • mskeggs on 21/09/2018 - 22:52
      +1

      This post was created by "Joshuah".
      You posted his personal details confirming his name.
      You also posted saying you were a company representative, and that the individual with the first name Brendan is just a consultant.
      It seems to me like Bizpromo might want to reveal your name, if you aren't Brendan.

      You wouldn't want somebody to accuse you of being a keyboard warrior?

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:18

    Government websites need proof.

    Guess what? We were checked out by them.

    Not on there.

    Because these types of unsubstantiated comments are not evidence.

    Why has Josh not gone legal?

    Your speaking with us.

    So why does he say no contact and does not jump into this.

    Come on. THINK.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:34

    keep looking.

    And you are speaking with a Company representative.

    If you searched a bit deeper you would realise that the person you refer to is a web consultant for the business and has no ownership. And is one of the best marketers in the Country.

    You did not dig deep enough.

    Biz Media Pty Ltd is the Trustee. He is not a Director or a shareholder. A retained consultant.

    You would not have to search hard to find this as Josh had all these details on his invoice.

    He lied.

    Maybe you should search again?

    • mskeggs on 21/09/2018 - 22:47
      +1

      Apologies. Who are the principals we should be considering?
      I don't have the advantage of any invoices or paperwork, just what is posted here.
      Why are they engaging consultants with a history of Fair Trading and ASIC complaints?

      • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 22:56

        Look, we understand People have been mislead. This is with lawyers. It will be sorted in Court. I notice another person just jumped on with a legal opinion?

        Really, do that many lawyers inhabit this website?

        Many false things have been said due to what Josh said,

        As for what someone has had to answer for legally, if they paid the price we should leave them alone.

        Lets just say that marketing People are not always on time with paperwork and from what I understand he got in trouble for helping a Friend try and get back stolen money, and asic thought he was running the company as a bankrupt. Look up the charge, that's what it is.

        No one was ever ripped off as they like to say here.

        Technical charges. Not anyone lost money.

    • mskeggs on 21/09/2018 - 22:56
      +3

      Biz Media Pty Ltd is the Trustee.

      And they are being wound up for insolvency. Oops.

      https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/n…

      Who would be the directors of ACN 611 603 153? Dare me to pay the $9 for the ASIC search?

      • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 23:13

        It was decided by the Unit Holders of the trust to wind up the company that was Trustee and not trade anymore. No creditors, no company debts.

        • mskeggs on 21/09/2018 - 23:24
          +1

          No. That isn't how insolvency works.
          Administrators are not appointed to declare a company insolvent if you decide just to stop trading.

          Insolvency means somebody is owed money and the directors of Biz Media Pty Ltd are unable to pay it.

          If you are just a company rep, you might want to make sure your pay and super is all paid up, it looks like the cupboard is bare!

        • tomsco on 21/09/2018 - 23:41
          +1

          @mskeggs:

          Add to that court ordered. I’m rusty on my insolvency, but that doesn’t sound voluntary.

      • rompastompa on 21/09/2018 - 23:54

        [email protected]

        Lol, I don't think that TLD is correct.. ;)

  • Fier2 on 21/09/2018 - 22:46
    +2

    Oh my,.. was looking for something good to read… but this thread is definetly gold! I never heard of a business digging their own grave and look like this one has the worst legal team ever. Josh would be entitled to a lot of money given that the rep of the company take the step to published his name and address which by law is regarded as harrassment…

  • B2 on 21/09/2018 - 22:59

    Wow BizPromo you seem to know nothing about business or promo(tion)

    You must live a sad sad sad life. I feel sorry for you.

  • AssociatedBizpromo @ bizpromo.com.au on 21/09/2018 - 23:53

    Well either way it was a Unit Holder whatever their internal disputes. Make what you will of that. How they went about it is not my concern. I am here to explain what Josh did, and that it is explained online. Off Topic for me. Bare in mind, It is not just Biz Promo owners that are going after Josh. Brendan Has a much bigger case. He had nothing to do with the business ownership and he was defamed in a big way. He has the strongest claim, and you must see that now. And it is still online. So the Company no longer takes orders, not really the point.

  • B2 on 22/09/2018 - 11:42

    ENGRISH

  • Geryatric on 22/09/2018 - 20:59

    A Current Affair

  • [Deactivated] on 23/09/2018 - 15:50

    Hilarious!

    • tomsco on 23/09/2018 - 17:16

      Yep, Bizpromo rep just alienated them of over 200k potential customers by unnecessarily bumping this thread.

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