What would be a smarter buy and why please between ?
2004 BMW X5 SUV 3.0i variant Auto 4WD 3.0L 5 speed with 221728km for $7999
OR
2007 Holden Captiva LX 4x4 SUV 3.2L V6 5speed Auto with 165562km for $7999
Thank you for your time
Mod 30/7 630pm: Fixed poll (you may need to re-vote)
Mod 31/7 355pm: Added 4 more poll options from OP's additional forum post now merged
Do you go offroad? Why does it need to be an SUV?
No off road just want a bigger car than.my VZ for a family car
Is the VZ a wagon? SUV's may look bigger because of their height. But a lot of wagons have more room.
No Commodore sedan
Do you go offroad? Why does it need to be an SUV?
suv aren't for offroad/4wding. their appeal is that they offer higher seating positions, better visibility for the drivers and passengers. higher ground clearance helps avoid scraping the bumpers on the gutter. loading cargo in an out is also easier if the boot is waist high.
And loading kids in and out is a lot easier too, especially if you are tall
Pretty sure no-one in Essendon/Ivanhoe offroads lol.
If you must get a SUV, then as many others have said go for a Toyota. Most other vehicles in your price range will not be as reliable.
SUV for that amount of money for a family? Ford Territory hands down for space, serviceability and drivability.
my friend was telling me a story back when he was an apprentice working on a 1999 bmw and he some how fried the ecu. His boss had to spend 1k on a used bmw ecu.
dont buy a used bmw
8000 should get you a diesel Hyundai terracan. Very underrated car thanks to Toyota/Nissan fanatics. 7 seater, capable offroader, turbo diesel…
Steer away from Hyundai's they are a cheaper car for a reason. After working in car auctions for a few years you know why, they are made way cheaper and will not protect you in an accident. They crumple easily with less impact.
"They crumple easily with less impact"
Is this back up by science or by your opinion?
Is this back up by science or by your opinion?
jap vs korean made. which one of these are safer?
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/hyundai/santa-fe-…
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/hyundai/tucson-4-…
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/kia/sorento-4-doo…
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/kia/sportage-4-do…
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/toyota/highlander…
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/toyota/rav4-4-doo…
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/nissan/pathfinder…
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/nissan/xterra-4-d…
Why did we have to pick data from 2005 ?
Why did we have to pick data from 2005 ?
op is looking at 2004 and 2007 models. 2005 is the first year where we can compare all the models from the list.
you're more than welcome to find a different year between 2004 to 2007 that we can compare.
@whooah1979: Ah. I see where you're coming from.
However I was referring to Aussie Smurfette comment saying "Korean car crumple"(present tense) so I'll much prefer recent data than a decade ago. If he said "Korean car crumpled" then I understand the selection of 2005 model.
I look up all the model you suggest in ancap.com.au and they all have 5 stars rating.
@whooah1979: surviving a crash is one thing. Avoiding one by having a light and agile modern vehicle is also an important safety aspect. Make sure at the end you can still afford grippy tyres should safety matter to you.
Well lets not get opinions get in the way of facts at least for newer model Hyundai's:
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2017-vehicle-dependabi…
They sit above BMW and just behind Mercedes. Or in other words the 6th most reliable car manufacturer out of the 32 reviewed at 133 defects out of every 100 cars for 2014 model cars which is 23 defects better than the industry average.
What it does back up though is Toyota would be your best and most reliable bet.
What about Ford Territory TX SY 7 seater around 2006 to 2010 models
Yes iv seen a few of those with good km still
I'll have a look at them now, thank you
Don't even think of Captiva: I just got rid of mine last month which was 2007- Maxx v6 in black. Sold it for 6k.
Issues: Its really bad on fuel, oxygen sensors are a pain, engine transmission is just unpredictable, Check engine light comes on every now and then due to multiple possibilities (Gear Box, alternator, oxygen sensors etc)
I'm so glad I asked about the captiva I was ment to test drive one today but I'm definitely not going to now, thank you
Beamer = prestige! Do you really need a penis extender?
Captiva is a Daewoo in disguise, if ya can't afford a Jap give the other Koreans a look at.
Any opinions?
What about a kluger ?
nice wagons, only auto, 6 cyl, very powerful in the station only class but for 8k you need a magnifying glass to find a good one
At 200,000ks it is an expensive service due to timing belts etc need to be replaced, if this isn't done you are up for a few thousand $$ on top of your purchase price. We bought a used Toyota HiLux has been an awesome car but within 6 months of purchasing had to replace the injectors, so not a cheap exercise either.
If you purchase a diesel they go forever, remembering that an articulated vehicle's (semi) is deemed to be broken in at 1,000,000ks
Except for the replacement of injectors, which seems to be prevalent in Toyota diesels if I'm not mistaken.
That was true of older unstressed diesels (ie lower power & unregulated emissions). But the new generation diesels with high pressure common rail injectors, turbos and exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valves are prone to quite a number of expensive problems, namely gumming up the intake with carbon due to the EGR, cooked turbos and injector failures. In my opinion, if OP doesn't intend to tow or do a lot of high speed, long distance, low RPM cruising then stay away from diesels (particularly if its second hand and the previous owner hasn't done the same). A second-hand petrol Honda CRV would be my pick, not the most exciting car but well built where it counts.
Thank you yeah I had a look at the crv and am.leaning towards that or a Ford Territory so far
Definitely go Japanese. I have a 2011. Excellent vehicle.
Chuck that one isn't he same bucket as the BMW. Great car when new, plenty of safety, features and refinement but not cheap to service or repair with the European heritage.
Yeah I agree. But at least it's significantly lower kms.
I searched for SUVs in WA under 100kkms at $5-10k.
The Territory is the smarter pick but has aftermarket wheels (an alarm bell to me) and it seems OP wants something that feels a bit special. Not a good criteria in the >$10k bracket :)
Volvo's are pretty rugged and reliable. They are one of the few exceptions to the rule for avoiding euro cars (same with VW)
What is after market wheels ?
What alarm bells ?
The problem with VW is they have had a handful of significant issues that they have not handled very well at all.
They do a lot of standardisation, result being when there is a problem it can affect millions of vehicles. They can't sweep things under the rug like Ford or GM can. All in all, a relatively small number of issues has tarnished a good brand, but only because they did a crap job of handling them.
Yes they are pretty good on the whole.
$7999 is just an introductory price for either of these cars.
The ongoing maintenance/repairs will make that price look like a cheap deposit.
You might as well get something newer as the overall cost difference after a few years will be negligible. I can't advise what car exactly but the two cars you are choosing between are setting you up for pain not pleasure!
Ok thank you
neither, both are absolute shit, be a good boy and get either a kluger, rav4 or a cx5, crv are good too. do not get craptiva or shitty german quality, ive owned one and never again. mine was a 2007 audi q7 top of the range, you have no idea how much shit went wrong with it. my friend also owned a diesel x5, also more of a shitty car than the audi.
Agree. Only reliable ones are Japanese or Korean brands for bang for buck. I think European cars are overrated for their reliability and price
Yes I'm leaning towards the crv or the Ford Territory so far
Max price - $8,000 - $10,000
Prefered format - SUV
Current car - Commodore VZ
Requirements - Family car,bigger boot space
Knowledge on cars - zero
What car and why please ?
If put some suggestions in the polling area
Kluger
Prado
Rav 4
Ford Territory
Your second thread on this in 2 days must be a new OzB record.
3rd
Haha sorry about second one I wasn't sure what it ment when it said poll cause iv never done this before
I wasn't very clear on my first post an felt like I was wasting people's time going back an forth
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/results?sortby=~Odometer&offset=0&setype=sort&q=%28And.%28C.State.Western%20Australia..Region.Perth.%29.BodyStyle.SUV..Service.Carsales..Price.range%287500..10000%29.%29&area=Stock&vertical=car&WT.z_srchsrcx=makemodel
Get an Toyota AE86.
Why's that ?
are you talking about a divorce settlement for him?
Lived in Europe for 30 years.
Surounded by BMW. All I can say is they are overprices, not that reliable and parts are EXPENSIVE !!!
Thank you
Can I suggest Mazda CX 5 ?
You just did!
For sure not Craptiva as they breakdown too often and are in for repairs a lot with recalls and what not.
Neither of them are 80k so they must be crap or not a good investment.
Bigger 7 seater car? Honda odyssey
I would not even consider both.
BMW - especially old BMW's will start to show its true colors as it ages, expensive to repair and unreliable. You will suffer financially, I know I have.
Holden - one word 'Craptiva'. Unreliable and will start to fall apart. Would not touch it.
You are better off with the top model Nissan X-Trail's from early 2000's or late 2010's. Trust me, I've driven and owned almost all mainstream brands from Europe (BMW, Land Rover) and Japan (Toyota, Mazda, Honda, Lexus), Japanese engineering and reliability will shit over European cars, there is a reason why most Japanese brands are rated highly on the reliability index. People that say 'well my BMW or Audi has not missed a beat' but I am not convinced.
If you have a young family avoid old European cars, there is a reason why first gen BMW X5's and Audi Q7's are cheap.
That's really good info and advice, thank you
csn you give us some insight into your ownership costs of the BMW as you are so biased against euro cars. Don't think about the Land Rover, they are typically known as unreliable, especially older ones.
And can you tell us what other of 'all the mainstream brands' you have driven. You have only mentioned two, and Land Rover is probably not considered 'european' by a lot of people when it comes to images of cars, it is more British (I know, it's part of Europe) when people think of European luxury they tend to think, Audi, merc, Volvo, not Jaguar or Land Rover.
You have only mentioned two, and Land Rover is probably not considered 'european' by a lot of people when it comes to images of cars, it is more British
lol. it doesn't get any more european than british. have a look at what brexit is doing to the eu.
the rrs and the defender is the european benchmark for suv and 4wd.
Yes, I agree,but if you ask people to name European cars they'll probably leave Land Rover off the list while they think about Audi, merc, VoLvo etc.
I remember paying 2.8 k for a seal replacement in the engine bay, bloody thing hits hard. And this was on BMW\s bread and butter 3 series (2009 320D).
Look I am a brother trying to help another brother out, there is no doubt that people with BMW's or Audi's will not of had a problem but this really does mention their frequency of use (KM's). If you pit a BMW against Toyota, Japanese will shit over European cars for cheaper repairs and parts.
I know that SUVs are trendy, but most families don't need one, ongoing costs are much higher and they're not as efficiently packaged as most people think. Get a wagon instead. Given the price range and extent of room required, I recommend a Holden Sportwagon, Hyundai i30 or Subaru Liberty.
Please take a look at:
https://www.carsales.com.au/car/holden/commodore/ve-series/w…
https://www.carsales.com.au/car/hyundai/i30/western-australi…
https://www.carsales.com.au/car/subaru/liberty/western-austr…
These threads have been done to death;
"What SUV is the best for family"
There are plenty of Car Advice sites which list out comparisons of seating space, power, luxury, etc. Find the one that best suits you then head over to a dealer to test drive it.
BMW if doing maintenance or sourcing of parts yourself are cheap. BMW dealers charger 1000% markup of prices here. 2004 X5 3.0L would have the M54 6cyl engine. It is a extremely reliable engine used in 96-05 5 series, 7 series, 3 series and Z series - heaps of parts and know how on this engine.
I myself have a 2003 BMW Z4 with 260,000kms on the clock with the same engine. Have not had an issue in the 40,000ks I've owned it. Runs smoother than a new holden engine for sure :).
Parts are cheap - change of spark plugs $60, new coil packs $25. Transmission filter, fluid and gasket for $150. Timing chain so no issues with changing timing belts. The engines are good for over 400,000kms. Generally its the cooling system that is an issue on these era of cars - complete refresh is about $500 for new radiator, expansion tank and pipes.
BMW Z4
player. ;)
Get a Mazda CX-5 mate!
Station wagons are better buy for that price range as they are cheaper second hand
Low KMs is the priority. So for SUV I would suggest https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/results?sortby=TopDeal&limit=12&q=%28And.Service.Carsales..BodyStyle.SUV..Odometer.range%280..60000%29._.Price.range%28..10100%29.%29
Do you need 7 seaters or just 5?
I'm going to buck the trend here and say Ks aren't the most important factor - Anything over 120,000kms - 200+ks is going to depend on servicing and upkeep. I've driven a 130,000km car and a 220,000km car of same age and type and the 220,000km car was far better to drive and in much better condition. Anything over 130,000kms is probably going to need new suspension (shocks / bushes) etc, sometimes you are better off going for 200+km vehicles where it has all been done vs one that someone is flogging off at 140,000km because it needs a whole lot of work to be done on it.
how has no one suggested the nissan xtrail?
I bought a 2006 for $6K and it is fantastic. A little thirsty but winderfully sized and japanese reliability.
Try and get a 2009 with low kms for your budget.
@loopylove - may I know what is that after market weels for territory, I have ford territory, just curios to know what problems I may face later.
None. Aftermarket wheels are often out on cars by those that like to drive like a hoon. They are wheels designed to look like a race car wheels or just look flashy. Hoon drivers drive cars harder than regular drivers and therefore wear them out quicker.
Do not go captiva - I have work supplied 2012 model, injectors have gone 3 times and at a cost of $5000 each time to fix.
Does it have to be SUV? Our work has a fleet of Holden VE Sportswagons and keep them until 200k, never had any issues with regular servicing and can fit as much as the captiva. Can pick one up for $8000 in perth with less than 150k on the clock on carsales
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Holden-Commodore-…
Skoda Octavia or Superb Wagon form
Some around in 2010 models for your price range.
Check out Carsales.
Boot is huge compared to Commodores etc.
This is the correct answer. CarAdvice did a good review of just how big an Octavia Wagon's boot is:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/videos/wagon-v-suv-best-40000-pi…
Superb is bigger again obviously.
Skoda Octavia or Superb Wagon form
Some around in 2010 models for your price range.
this make/model is no good for op.
http://tinyurl.com/ybjsn8as
Got it now…
I guess a drive is out of the question ;)
All i would recommend that is that you watch a few 'Auto Expert' youTube videos regarding finding the correct car. (Please be aware of explicit language & POV which may offend)
And as with everything in life - take it with a pinch of bias salt, a dash of common sense and a sprinkle of make your own decision.
Bought a 2011 Honda CR-V for $15k in December 2015. Goes great and had 75k on it.
Never had an issue with Honda. Surprised they weren't in your list.
Even a 2006 CR-V sport is excellent.
Very reliable.
My 2c is if you just want a bigger boot make sure to look up the specs or take a tape measure to the dealership. I have kids and often notice other parents at school/shopping centres playing tetris with their SUV boot while I chuck a whole load of crap in the back of our VZ commodore wagon with ease. I actually googled some popular SUVs and was shocked at how little space they had compared to some wagons, I thought space was the whole point?
I too was looking for a SUV around your price range a few years back (before replacing our older commodore wagon with the VZ wagon), a Ford Territory on gas was the first candidate - it has a lot of space, and can frequently be found on gas which saves (albeit not much at all when gas is 70c/l and petrol is only $1.00) on the massive fuel bill you'll have owning an SUV.
Toyota Kluger is a great car. My cousin has had two and I would strongly consider it for my next family car, but it is thirsty. Big V6 made for US conditions (i.e. huge gas consumption).
Id recomment second hand subaru Liberty/Outback wagons or Toyota Kluger/Rav4 second hand in your price point. Reason is because parts are cheaper, these Jap cars are reliable and service prices are good too. Also be aware of used car dealerships, some of them get the used cars real cheap in poor condition to make a profit (just my experience, so I doubt it applies everywhere).
Summary for OP.
Many who are suggesting vehicles based on their personal experiences are predominantly naming Kluger. Otherwise, the general direction is for a Japanese car.
Those who have taken a step back to look at your needs have identified that an SUV and a prestige badge is contradictory to your priority of having larger space and working under a (very) tight budget. Station wagons would suit your budget and priorities to a tee.
Other noteworthy advice given were to change pram and/or keep your current car. From the sound of things, you can really do with the $8k being liquid.
Should have put up the option of… Should I shred all my money or just burn it… Because that's basically what buying either of those vehicles would be.
Note sure if a joke post, or serious. :)
Why have you limited your search to just SUV's? For most people a wagon like the Ford Mondeo diesel would be a far better choice. Better handling, better fuel economy, more space and cheaper to buy and run. You can get decent example for under 10k.
2 things a mechanic once told me…don't buy a european car that is out of warranty and don't buy a Holden who's name ends in an A (Viva, Captiva, Nova, Astra etc.) I didn't follow his advice on the first and had a costly exercise. I have never tried the second. A Tarago, even with over 200,000 kms would probably suit you.