Average Utilities Bills - financial comparison

Hi all,

Just wondering what the average single person household (preferably, happy to hear all - please state how many persons if so) use in terms of water, gas, electricity etc. per bill – preferably on a per unit /day basis to enable easier comparison given we may have different billing periods.

I have been trying to cut down bills given my last water bill was a shock. Circa 2,000 litres a day - albeit I was establishing a new garden. I am keen to cut that down financially but got me thinking about my electricity and gas.

The other reason I ask is as part of my cutting down I was discussing my intentions with my girlfriend and she warned me of not cutting down my expenses too much as supposedly a friends family member who had been audited for the first home owners grant residency requirements and lost it after being accused of not living in there as her bills were 'too low' for the average.

I say accused as apparently her utilities usage was not comparable to the 'average joe' – say circa 70% only , and so a full audit was enacted. She had done nothing wrong – moved in and was there for at least 5 days a week while visiting family on weekends or other times. She had actually moved in. Given they know her personally they knew she was not rorting the system, renting for cash or other of the 'dodgy' things non genuine owners do. I find this fully reasonable for anyone who has moved out to revisit family, their partner etc. and stay the night. It has me bat scared though as synergy claims my average electricity usage of 2.7 units/day is below my suburbs 13, and similar household profiles of 17. Frankly I find alot of households bills higher than what I ever use, or did while growing up at home – and I wonder if people just have alot of wastage?

Given the person above argued but still could not convince them that her low usage was genuine, I find this pretty concerning. I mean how does one prove their frugal use of electricity, or the old 'duck in to the parents' on the way home from work for dinner (which I am sure many have done while finding their feet out of home) is indicative of not living in your own house?

I live by myself and don't use a lot of typical utilities (don't have the chance, read a lot of books, or I use my phone rather than having nbn connected). I can't see how I can 'increase' my bills further as I'm more than satisfied with what I use currently. But this recent story has me worried. Partly because if they don't buy your reasons, tough luck mate.

Supposedly a full audit encompassed phone records (location of calls) – does ones phone bill even show this? Hers supposedly showed her back home on those one or two days a week visiting. My prepaid doesn't? Where you shop (bank statements etc), furniture purchases etc. But again, I've already had all my stuff since i grew up – bed, books, bookshelves etc. The rest are either excess cutlery, kitchenware from family, or 'take it, it's free or dirt cheap' gumtree and facebook posts e.g. my microwave, mini fridge, etc. So I can't even prove I've bought the $2000 furniture set from harvey norman.

It's a 'we rule, no argue' case. The unfortunate person above I heard had to not only pay the grant etc back , but fines are 100% regardless typically. So your looking at $20,000+ on a fine alone, depending when and how much your FHOG was. This is huge - especially if you were doing the right thing from a common sense pov. It's not like your even earning cash renting it out (because you're actually living there!). Surely there are more unethical, and dodgy persons conducting and rorting the system - from centrelink, to the pensions, to the FHOG even.

Has anyone gone through similar audits or works in the area or can comment? I wanted to find the average out as I did not want to live so frugally so as to come on the radar and be fined for more money than I earn in the year. That and I would like to know how my spending/utilities usage averages. Quite the catch 22 situation when one now has to worry about spending too little. The country situation doesn't help - obviously looking for money wherever they can in tough times.

Comments

  • I live alone in a two bedroom apartment.

    I pay on average $50 gas and $50 elec per month, with Red Energy.

    • can I ask what sort of kwh (elec) units that relates to, and gas units (I forgot what the units of count was for gas).

      How about litres of water?

      Mainly ask per day as not sure what the billing period (number of days) relates to. so a per day average is a lot more comparable.

  • 2.5 people and gas $40, electricity $70 per month. AGL. 15% off gas and 22% electricity pay on time blah blah stuff.

    • can I ask what sort of kwh (elec) units that relates to, and gas units (I forgot what the units of count was for gas).

      How about litres of water?

      Mainly ask per day as not sure what the billing period (number of days) relates to. so a per day average is a lot more comparable.

  • water only pay connection, live in a unit which is about $187 per quarter and can't find and old gas bill but found a electricity which is 6.35kWh average daily. isn't nearly all the bill connection only anyway.

    • Thanks. I am about 3kwh average daily, albeit I noticed I was on holidays for a big chunk of the period. So perhaps I am closer to the 6 kwh average.

      My water bill is bi monthly and I paid over $300, jeezus I need to cut my water usage down.

      My gas seems low though? I don't have gas powered heating, but surely would have thought it would be a lot higher.

      Maybe it doesn't take much to heat my water (gas wise).

  • Looks like our average electricity is $60 not $70 per month

    • That's not too bad. DId you cook mainly on electric/gas stove it seems than microwave and appliances?

  • +1

    Detached home with a family of 6 persons.
    We use 600l of water per day, approx 17kWh of electricity, and a hugely variable gas bill depending on the season and the weather.

    If I had your concerns, I would get a power meter (or maybe you already have a smart meter with a web portal?) that shows your energy use as a daily graph. Should be easy enough to show the spike each night when you turn on the light or boil the kettle, and you can then show historical usage patterns.

    BTW - 2.7kWh of power is absurdly low. Many empty holiday houses would use more than that, so I think you would do well to collect some evidence!

    • +1

      Well my water is obviously excessively high. I need to see how post garden establishment I go, but I am way over 600 litres per day.

      How about gas ? I don't use gas heating so my usage is quite low.

      2.7 kwh is per day, not over the whole period. That said maybe my last bill was skewed as I was on holidays for 1/3 the period. And there were some cooler summer days upon return so I hadn't used the reverse cycle much. STill, with LED downlights and without a tv running each night, there isn't really much electricity usage. My friend lives in an apartment and said the same thing - we both being professionals are quite busy, and don't lounge in front of a tv every night, so apart from turning on some efficient LED downlights, there isn't anywhere else that sucks electricity out??

      Why would empty holiday houses use more power than that - fridge would be running but you would have to have a highly inefficient, spoilt fridge I would think.

      How do I check my power box if it is a smart meter? I think you can see usage for a bill period on synergy's website, but I didn't think it collected time of usage data???

    • +1

      Agree. A fridge by itself uses about 1kW per day.

    • Can confirm that 2.7kWh is actually not absurdly low. I'm in a 2 bedroom apartment with one other person, and due to gas cooking, hearing and hot water, we use average 2.8kWh per day.

      • The average house uses 18-20kWh.
        I'm not saying you don't use 85% less, but since the OPs concern was people being suspicious of low power usage, they will likely find such low usage notable.

        • The average for my area was around 12.5 supposedly. I think if you run a tv on and entertainment all time, plus your washing machine it does. For a single person who isn't glued to a tv or entertainment unit, they would use a lot less than 18-20kwh. Mind you the average house - is that a family of 4? 2 kids on tvs, electronics etc? Mum and dad on the tv, whole house on?

    • Just got my recent bill and im close to 3.8 kWh a day. I think this is pretty reasonable considering you have 6 in your household. Sure you'd have share facilities light wise. Assuming this means additional tvs and electronics and washing machines etc, and assuming you've got electric heaters etc you could extrapolate my near 4 kwh to your 17 quite easily?

      Keeping in mind im closer to 400l a day which shows my reliance on handwashing clothes, dishes etc which means less electrical use as no machines.

      Where and what sorta affordable power meger could i get? I assume by smart meters you mean the ones that are in your power box that track daily usage as opposed to plug in to devices directly at the PowerPoint?

      I have a standard power meter box so is my best option to get the powet meter measure? Issue is it only works for one PowerPoint? Did you have a brand or something recommendation??

      • Sure you'd have share facilities light wise

        You'd think, but apparently my kids need to leave the lights on in rooms they have left!

        I've got a little device that clips around the main wire in the meter box and measures all the energy being used by the house.
        The one I have is Efergy brand, and can be had for about $150 if you buy direct from them. Sometimes they come up cheaper on Ebay.
        It has a little battery operated display I have in the kitchen that shows how much power being used at that instant, so you can see how much it jumps if you turn on the oven or lights or other hard wired item that would be otherwise hard to measure. It also has a phone app that shows the same info.

        If you do end up getting one so you have a record of your power use in case of audit, you will be best off with the model that connects to the internet (Engage hub kit), as it will automatically log your usage every day, and allows you to download very detailed reports showing past usage.
        As an example, here is a link showing the power used every minute at my place last September:
        https://engage.efergy.com/reports/dl/3270d19e47060987cb44b83…
        It is CSV you can open in Excel.

        • Thanks. I think the power meter would prove certain times of power usage - to add further weight, but surely it wouldn't be a be all end all in an audit one would hope.

          After all - you are still using power. So 200 kwh used over this month is still going to be 200 kwh on your energy meter vs the normal meter reading - just you won't have a breakdown of when you used it. I guess if they doubt your average usage you could show time. Then again, if they don't believe you've used enough electricity for example what diff does it make showing them the same electricity usage albeit the times you used it? Probably better than none as you could show all the times your in the house.

          The only query I have is that with your method - besides being expensive, it clips into the box itself and only provides readings of the meter which you could, technically, go outside and just read the meter yourself between two intervals? Convenience wise it's great though. I think it would be more accurate somehow measuring per device. e.g. if you turned on the tv and washing machine now, your meter would show what's passing through but you wouldn't be able to track to various appliances? Of course the expense then is having an electrical meter on every powerpoint.. just can't win!

          Given NBN is more affordable now I'm finally getting it, and if it ever arrives (installation times are a pain) I will try Netflix and we will soon see if tv watching is a big electricity guzzler. Given I rack up nearly 4 kwh/day without an active big tv anyway, I have a feeling this will rocket past 5,6 kwh, which I think is more than overuse as a single person (when you extrapolate that to a family, of 3,4,5 persons that would be closer to 20kwh a day).

        • I am curious though - your gas bill varies, but roughly how many units you go through on a couple of bills? perhaps an avg per day?

          I think I was clocking up 1/day prev, with my holidays of course, and a lot of nights eating out and others. WIth cooking and being home a lot more nights my hot water has been churning through gas, so was wondering what a reasonable per day usage was. The cooking doesn't affect much, but hot water really churns through gas for me it seems (instaneous hot water unit)

        • @SaberX:
          Sorry I haven't replied, but I haven't been able to check the bill yet. We have central heating and it gets cold up in the mountains, so we go over $1000 in the winter quarter. Summer is under $200.

  • -1

    So you want to pay more for electricity to avoid an imaginary audit.

    • No - I don't. I have been saving frugally! But I was just curious what the average spend is given the story I heard was this person came under suspicions as they weren't 'using' the average. Having done some costings of my lights usage and what not I couldn't possibly see how I could come near synergy's 'comparable' electricity usage in my surrounding area, or households. They must have their tvs and air cond on 24/7!

  • 2 people, last electricity bill was $700/qtr. I don't think I want to play this game. House, electric hot water on off-peak tariff in Qld. Using Click Energy with Click Early discount. 1800kwh peak, 315 off-peak for the quarter.

    Gas is so low I would struggle to work it out.

    • Wowser! What sorta appliances and household are you running that is churning up so much usage?

      How's your water per day?litres wise?

      • Split system aircons used when home probably most significant. Tonnes of PCs. No heaters/pool. Should probably try to work it out.

  • +2

    I live with my cat. Electricity bill is between $55-65. water is about $200 per quarter.
    we split bills of course.

    • Is that $55-65 over the 2 month period?

      • +1

        electricity is about $55-65 per month

  • Last summer $1300 for the Quarter. 6 people, pool, a/c was on a lot. Not much gas use.

  • 2 people
    Winter electricity is ~$280/mth (plus $200 wood)
    Summer electricity is ~$170/mth

    Water is only around $25/mth as it's not drinkable

    • Wow that's alot of electricity. What sorta household, appliances etc are you running? You had wood there so clearly your not using electricity for heating. And you only have two persons so im curious how you churn through so much.

  • who the hell decides wether your entitled to free money (aussie tax dollars)… and who decides if you need to pay it back. a lot of people are wroughting the system by screaming poverty… you don't need a roof over your head cause it's ok to keep sponging off mummy and daddy. your friend has done it for the money (investing)… not for shelter. if you don't need it… don't buy it. in regards to the grant… where is their physical proof of misappropriation of funds. others opinions are not law…

    • Your username pretty much summed up my initial thoughts as i hardly understood what you were saying. So your saying keep sponging off mum and dad?

      There isnt any misappropriation of funds. The department itself offers an opinion that said person didn't look like a normal person in terms of usage and ordered to pay back. Maybe they pushed it by renting after 6 months but there is a difference in abiding strictly by the law and morally expecting someone to be there for further than 6 months. Legally they stayed there.

      Judging by this thread i see several individuals who are clocking in below my 3.7 kwh a day avg electricity. Yet many who claim its too low and IMHO have absurd usage amounts. So for persons such as myself who rarely watch TV or game on electronics which churn through power, who's to say we're not living there? As mentioned i paid for efficient led downlights. You'd be shocked how little they use.

      So if all i do outside of dinner time and shower is leave a light on and pickup my books how else would i "look" like the average?

      I find it concerning given water corp and all encourage saving usage yet you run the risk of a govt department auditinf you. Seems hypocritical.

      • don't take others opinions as gospel… money and numbers do not lie… people do. the numbers don't add up to the story you've told… people justify doing the wrong thing by the gain that they receive and YOU mention morals? there are people out there who can't afford basics every week and your whinging about having to pay back money that was obtained through fraud… (used to increase a property portfolio rather than provide a home to someone who needs a roof over their head and their belonings) which was proven on paperwork and you can't prove otherwise?

        • well, not a moral/legal thing I can or want to debate about roofs over vs investing. But if (I'm presuming innocence) they did live in it the 6 months then rented it out, yeah sure, but legally they met the 6 months. They stayed there (from what I heard) and just did not use enough utilities compared to the 'average'. So legally they have done everything they could to meet the 6 months - that's all that's required. Morals aside about people not affording roofs over their head - they've done the legally required 6 months. Yes, paperwork wise they weren't convinced, but if she actually stayed there I don't think calling it fraud is appropriate just because the government weren't convinced. After all - if she really did stay there for the full 6 months…..

          I would also not want to get into the moral sides of roofs over heads. People's finances and investments I think are a different topic as to affordability of others.

  • About $80/mth electricity (no gas) with 2 people in a 3 bedroom house. QLD, and with diamond energy.

    We are renting so don't pay the fixed charges for water. That's about $60/quarter.

    • Low water usage then if 60 a qtr for 3 persons? Or is that service fees not usage.

      So with no gas is your cooking and heating all electricity based? If so that would explain it.

      • 2 peeps, water is consumption only. And yeah everything electricity.

  • 1 person. Averaging about 2KWh power a day, often less though, depends on whether I give the PS4 a workout on the 60" plasma.

    Water, around 100 litres a day

    Natural gas - none, I had it removed and switched to LPG. I spend less on LPG gas bottles (usage) than I used to on NT gas connection fee.

    It's entirely possible to have very low power use, but clearly easier for a place with fewer people. The rule is if you're not using it, it's off at the switch. LED lighting. My fridge is a chest freezer I modified to operate like a fridge. It uses about a kw/day, I think. I have a logger on it but haven't bothered to keep up with where it's at.

    Your friend should take legal action. For you, see if you can get smart meter data or, if that's not available, get an efergy power meter. I gave the E2. It's excellent. If you get one get firmware version 3 or higher a there's a bug with the pc link on versions lower than that.

    • Interesting. You have all the hall marks of what others call low usage. I notice some have much higher standards of electricity. So what is the difference on a smart metervs energy meter. Is it in your general power box and it replaces your standard meter?

      Have you got a recommendation on those energy meters you can attach to one PowerPoint to measure usage? Would be keen to see what the appliances suck up e.g. what is my laptop churning through at night.

      Same for the ps4.

      I'd be interested to know with your low usage are you single in a small apartment? And do you use a washing machine, dish washer etc?

      One reason i figure i have a well over water usage (circa 400l a day pending bill. Prev bill 2,000 litres) appears to be the lack of a dishwasher, hand washing clothes etc. Which in turn i believe reduces my electricity cost? Don't know how this would stack up if someone wasn't flexible and smart enough to put the two and two together.

      I think the legal option with friend is hard. Your an everyday person, how do you pay lawyers without knowing if you'll succeed?

      Funnily i too bought a pretty big chest freezer off gum tree. Given i have a smaller bar fridge style for my week to week needs it doesnt consume much. But the freezer is a good square deep base, can probably fit the fridge in there. I'd be keen to know how i can use an affordable meter to tell how many kwh it uses a day as it looks old, so i reckon it'll be a beast. Hadn't used it as paros fridge conked just after i bought it so i lent it to them

  • 3 adults -Electricity $250/Quarterly (Solar Hot Water) & 20% Discount (pay on time) and
    use 7.80kw per day avg.
    -Gas $100 / 45kg LPG Bottle Occasionaly 2 Bottles
    -Water $260 / Quarter 260lt avg per day. The actual water is $40 the rest
    availability for water & sewage. We have a basix required water tank which
    services toilets and washing machine and we all work away from home
    often for work.

    • Interesting your water usage of 260 litres/day avg is for 3 persons? Meanwhile your power is 7.5kwh for 3. I use about that much water on my own and just received my latesr power bill. It's gone up from 2.5 to 3.7kwh a day, most likely as my last bill included my holidays. Comapring is hard as it isnt strictly proportional for electricity as tvs and lights are generally shared. Then again some households boast a tv per kid so bills add up.

      Curious but how many units of gas per day does yours work out to?

  • Not sure . One bottle usually per year .

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