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  [Deactivated] on 24/04/2017 - 10:04

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  Be careful tho: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512815/Briton-jailed-years-…

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    slipperypete on 24/04/2017 - 10:23

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    I just came to this post to see if the inevitable doomsdayer "don't go there" comments had started

    Well I wasn't disappointed!!

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      [Deactivated] on 24/04/2017 - 11:11

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      So, you totally support racism and abuse of workers among other things that are prevail in that country?

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        slipperypete on 24/04/2017 - 15:39

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        hmmm….you post a link about someone getting jailed and you then make an assumption about me "totally supporting racism and abuse of workers"

        Amazing deductive reasoning there….at least it gave me a chuckle

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        [Deactivated] on 24/04/2017 - 16:57

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        @slipperypete: Which part of my comments you don't understand? There is an abusive system over there. In the airports, there are workers, exclusively of other races, who virtually reside in the toilets. 2 or 3 workers in each toilet… Reports that their employers treat these people like slaves are horrifying. So, by paying airport tax and spending money you are very much supporting racism and abuse.

        And Oh Mr. Alphebeta, you called my 1st comment a doomsayer's "don't go there" comment when I just initially gave everyone a very appropriate caution given the history of people getting locked up in that country.

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        slipperypete on 24/04/2017 - 18:25

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        @superready:

        Which part of my comments you don't understand?

        Which comments? you posted a link to a news article about jail for drugs!!!

        What my comment was relating to the expected negging nancies who think they are moralistic warriors but generally know nothing apart from a brief glimpse of a place or from reading news stories.

        I lived there for 10 years…I am pretty sure I know a hell of a lot more than you. The good, the bad as well as the very very ugly.

        However I am not naive and I look at things objectively, not from a armchair world of a drama merchant pretending to care enough but without actually doing anything to help. In that time I have worked with refugees, a woman's abuse centre and a variety of other causes. I have been physically threatened for helping out workers who should have been resting due to the heat laws ( no work above certain temperatures).

        Lets get a few things straight:

        It is far from perfect, but there are strict laws about workers rights and the UAE is far better than most. Not just the Arabic states but the region. At least they look after their own people, unlike countries such as India where people die from lack of the most basic health care or suffer from caste systems and general repression whilst across the road people squander vast amounts of money to flaunt their rankings and wealth.

        There are a LOT of appalling cases in the UAE, however the majority come not from the locals but from the 'middle men' who supply the labour…these generally come from the country of the workers. They are disgusting filth and makes me hope there is a hell to go to. These are the ones who hold people to ransom and illegally make them pay visa fees, put them in sub standard conditions and so on. It has gotten better but still an exploited system.

        Despite some workers getting abused, the vast majority are happy for the jobs and there is a massive backlog of people trying to get these jobs. They are away from their families, often for two years at a tine and work really hard, yet they are sending money home and have a dream of an improved life for their family when they finally leave. I have a lot of friends in different manual jobs over there, it's incredibly tough but we can't compare it to our lifestyle. They accept it and would rip your throat out if you cost them their job by pretending to care!!

        “So, by paying airport tax and spending money you are very much supporting racism and abuse.”

        Open your eyes. Check the labels on your clothes. By any chance are any made in a 3rd world country such as Bangladesh? If so YOU are the one who is supporting abuse, these people who work making these clothes suffer horrendous conditions and pay. These are the people who look at jobs and conditions in the UAE as a road paved in gold.

        Oh whilst I am here…

        “In the airports, there are workers, exclusively of other races, who virtually reside in the toilets. 2 or 3 workers in each toilet”

        Yes exclusive of other races, you do know that only 10% of the population are Emirates, the rest are 'other races'…who applied for these jobs. The locals are wealthy so of course they don't do these jobs. An NO, they don't reside in the toilets. The whole labour force works on a schedule and at the end of their shift they are taken off by the bus load back to accomodation….2 to 3 workers in each toilet…well here you are in a state on delusion…how could you even take a dump in that case

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        [Deactivated] on 24/04/2017 - 19:22

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        @slipperypete:
        Come on… you can't just abuse people and say they like it or they want it. It is the worst kind of abuse. Because in that case they are defenceless. No wonder Arabs also subjugate their female and I can guess their kids, animals, the disable, and the poor too. Because these are all weak groups.

        Think about it. Why a person from Bangladesh will have every right as an Australian as soon as he becomes a legal migrant but there is no similar citizenship rights in UAE? Of course because they are second hand people. And, because there are other Bangladeshis and Indians queuing to take up their jobs.

        And you didn't even realize it in your 10 years living there or you are one of those?

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    Izefyre on 24/04/2017 - 10:29

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    Yikes! Was thinking of going but that news changed my mind.

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  geeluv on 24/04/2017 - 10:42

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  Who would want to go to a place where Indians, Filipinos, pakistanis etc are considered 3rd class citizens by the locals. I understand this is a big generalisation, but when I was in Dubai I remember many locals taking FULL advantage of the labor class

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    [Deactivated] on 24/04/2017 - 11:10

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    You're not wrong. And they would have though time getting out of the country even if they want to. Read some horrible news the other day about work conditions, one being that the workers have their passport seized by someone called their "master".

    Same for Qatar in their FIFA WC stadium construction.

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    Bnjam3 on 24/04/2017 - 11:21

    Hahahahahahahahahah. How about Australia?

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      [Deactivated] on 24/04/2017 - 11:51

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      Lol are you kidding? No comparison.

      If you are subject to or know of any other worker who may suffer work abuse you should report to police immediately.

      1- Your employer cant get you a work visa if your salary is less than a certain amount
      2- Your employer superannuation is compulsory
      3- If someone seized your passport, he/she would go to jail (first timers can get their jail sentence reduced to good bond behaviour)
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      the list goes on.

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        Bnjam3 on 24/04/2017 - 12:57

        1- 7 eleven.
        2- Casual.
        3- Its illegal in UAE.

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        [Deactivated] on 24/04/2017 - 14:04

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        @Bnjam3: I'm sure if they underpay workers, then it is illegal in Australia. If the workers work casual because there is no job to do, that's another topic.

        Sometimes both workers and employers decide to go illegal, e.g. worker is an overstayer, a student with no working rights, a criminal evading police, or simply someone trying to avoid tax, they work for cash and under minimum wage. It's a win-win for them but nevertheless illegal. If authorities, i.e. ATO, police, Immigration,etc. find out about them, they sure will be prosecuted.

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  JoyVee on 24/04/2017 - 12:47

  To add more red herrings to this post… what about Burmese labour in Thailand which doesn't seem to impact on Aussie tourism. Filipino teachers are paid less than Caucasian teachers.

  What about our 7/11 scandals where international students, if they are paid correct wages and asked to donate some back to the boss, and then there is hospitality… top media chef having an oversight in his payment systems and so it goes on. All illegal but people have to know their rights and be able to stand up for themselves. Unions are a blessing to them if they know about them.

  I like flying Royal Brunei, great service and plenty of room to spread out. The 787 dreamliner suits me, seems very comfortable and jet lag is not as tiring. Times are convenient from Melbourne and allow good connections interstate, price is good too, superior service and almost same as Jetstar to BKK when you add in all the extra costing.

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    [Deactivated] on 24/04/2017 - 21:32

    It would be good if the laws are in place even if occasional slips occur here and there be it the case for big corporate like 7/11. What's bad is that there is no laws protecting the weak/vulnerable groups of people (migrants, women, kids, the poor, the sick, etc.) or there are even laws against them.