Today Is The Day (Metadata)

shaybisc on 14/04/2017 - 10:49

"As of today, Australian ISPs and telecommunications companies are officially required to collect “metadata” about their customers’ communications. According to the legislation, this data includes:

name, address, date of birth, email addresses and other identifying information of the person that holds an account
details of any communication, including:
the mode of communication (voice, sms, email, chat, forum, social media)
the location of the person at the start and end of the communication
the address and details of the receiver of the communication
the network used for the communication (ADSL, Wi-Fi, VoIP, cable, etc)
What it does not include is details of web sites a person visits and nor does it include information about what they did on those sites."

David Glance

Director of UWA Centre for Software Practice, University of Western Australia

April 14, 2017

https://theconversation.com/vpns-become-even-more-important-…

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Comments

  • holdenmg on 14/04/2017 - 11:00
    +5

    I woke up this morning and didn't feel any more safe. lol

  • Baysew on 14/04/2017 - 11:13
    +7

    Is Diji1 having the day off?

    • [Deactivated] on 14/04/2017 - 11:41

      I know right, would expect nothing less of a post tbh

  • aboabo on 14/04/2017 - 11:27

    "..officially required to collect.."

    Knowing that VPN's are purchasable, the Gov are officially looking for an argument?

  • Diji1 on 14/04/2017 - 11:42
    +17

    So we are now in a regime more invasive than Eastern Germany or present day Russia whilst lecturing countries at the same time about how they aren't doing it right.

    (profanity) this country.

      • FeRGan on 14/04/2017 - 13:48

        But they cost money…

        • Gronk on 14/04/2017 - 14:51
          +1

          So does the retention of metadata and that cost is going to be passed onto consumers…

  • [Deactivated] on 14/04/2017 - 11:44
    -2

    At the end of the day, big deal, the government knows enough about us via mygov and everything integrated now
    ISPS have all your personal info when signing up for their service, its pretty much common sense to provide your address, date of birth and your name etc
    I am sort of on the fence with this, perhaps it will mean service levels might actually increase for ISP Support as theyre now properly logging details in their support tickets etc

    I can't think of this in a negative light, this means if the ISP is doing their job properly they should be able to resolve issues faster
    I work in a field where we log support tickets, all this information is vital to supporting our clients, simple as that

    • kipps on 14/04/2017 - 17:17
      +8

      If you think that the collection of metadata will help resolve issues faster then you are deluded. Metadata ought not be available to support personnel. If it is, it will be leaked. If anything, it creates yet another thing to go wrong.

  • Savas on 14/04/2017 - 11:46
    +13

    not include is details of web sites

    Phew my ozbargain addiction is safe

    • subywagon on 14/04/2017 - 11:53
      +4

      That will be amended soon enough… They gradually erode your rights so people like shawncro 222 will remain complacent. :P

      • Gronk on 14/04/2017 - 12:31
        -3

        The tin foil hat is strong in this thread.

        • subywagon on 14/04/2017 - 12:40
          +5

          I even splashed out for name brand tin foil, the thicker catering stuff sheeple.

        • FeRGan on 14/04/2017 - 13:57
          +2

          @subywagon: You could of just folded some homebrand foil. Remember where you are. :)

        • subywagon on 14/04/2017 - 14:05
          +2

          @FeRGan: It was on sale of course ;)

        • kiitos on 15/04/2017 - 14:43
          +1

          They're also collecting data on people's purchases of tinfoil, to single them out for extra scrutiny.

        • Mad Max on 15/04/2017 - 15:08

          @kiitos:
          Good thing I switched to lead sheets then…

        • theraque on 16/04/2017 - 01:19

          Can you get tin foil? I thought it was all aluminium.

    • Wystri Warrick on 14/04/2017 - 13:28
      +1

      And our multiple accounts on websites ;)

    • [Deactivated] on 14/04/2017 - 20:36
      +1

      Well, it depends on how it is implemented. If they require collection of your forum visits, wouldn't that magically override the last statement, especially if they only collect the ip address. Which upon reverse dnsed would show ozbargain!

      Well, Mammoth Media Pty Ltd, but then they subpoena that and get permission to clone the cloud server and reset root password, they have the site you visited.

  • horice on 14/04/2017 - 12:09
    +2

    What it does not include is details of web sites a person visits and nor does it include information about what they did on those sites

    Why does that line bother me so much

    • AlienC on 14/04/2017 - 12:53
      +9

      Because it is missing a "….yet"

  • AlienC on 14/04/2017 - 12:54
    +2

    One more step closer to internet privacy freedom yay /a

  • [Deactivated] on 14/04/2017 - 16:32
    +1

    i have a VPN im safe

    • kipps on 14/04/2017 - 21:21
      +4

      VPNs aren't necessarily the end of this. You need to trust that your provider is secure and actually doesn't log.

  • Mad Max on 14/04/2017 - 16:37

    And you can expect all this data and information to be freely available online sometime soon…see recent stuff ups by Centrelink and Defence releasing private information about hundreds of people and staff online.

  • [Deactivated] on 14/04/2017 - 20:31

    I don't get what they gain from collecting the fact I'm on Ozbargain.

    Under the (chat, forum, social media) section.

    Ozbargain already implements SSL, so they only know I'm connecting to 43.229.60.154.

    Most terrorist/hackivist forums from what I've seen in the past are usually hosted on some free shared server (at least the ones on the clearnet), because the person running it doesn't want to be known.

    How they expect to find the start and end point of a communication is beyond what I can grasp. Unless they install mandatory spyware which certain countries participate in, they aren't going to know where it starts or stops.

    I think whoever conjured up metadata has probably got some corruption masking their motives. That is they have links to companies that will benefit from the rollout. They don't really care about the metadata and anyone technical would realise that it is seriously flawed.

    • kipps on 14/04/2017 - 21:20

      Please don't downplay metadata retention by saying that they only get the IP address. They get date, time, data transferred, DNS queries, IP address…. You do not need to see the content of the SSL/HTTP session to get a very good idea of what is going on.

      • kywst on 15/04/2017 - 13:48

        Our ISPs/Telcos/Government couldn't get laid in a brothel.

        If you're truly concerned and wish to do something about it … write a bot to be run by mass participation to flood their logs blowing out their costs. 1,000,000 users @ 10,000 DNS queries per X interval spread across the major players should add up pretty quickly.

  • chumbucket on 15/04/2017 - 18:13
    +1

    I guess this isnt far off from us now too?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/senate-votes-let-isps-se…

  • [Deactivated] on 15/04/2017 - 20:28

    So i use a VPN, but use their Sydney node simply to limit delay.
    Are they required to log these?
    Should i be using the Switzerland node?

    • shaybisc on 16/04/2017 - 09:53

      Does that work for speed? I know logically it should, depending on other non-distance factors but on my VPN Australia seems to be slower than North Pole.

      • ProjectZero on 16/04/2017 - 12:04

        I use PIA and it doesn't seem to affect speed all that much when I connect to Sydney servers.

        I'm more curious to know what happens if I use the Sydney servers now though, will those be logged?

        • kipps on 16/04/2017 - 13:13
          +1

          The legislation only applies to internet service providers at this point in time. VPN providers aren't included. This may change.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/04/2017 - 13:50
          +1

          @kipps:

          OK, that's what i thought, but wanted to hear someone else say it.
          You are someone else.

  • [Deactivated] on 15/04/2017 - 22:13
    +2

    Which is the best vpn for privacy and are there any deals?

    • [Deactivated] on 16/04/2017 - 03:07

      IPVanish doesn't log

    • kiitos on 16/04/2017 - 09:21

      Which VPNs allow BitTorrent?

    • kipps on 16/04/2017 - 13:14

      https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-comparison-chart/ has the most detailed comparison of VPN providers I have found. As demonstrated by those spreadsheets, there is a lot more to this than simply looking at which providers claim not to log.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/04/2017 - 13:57

        Includes column "Enemy of the Internet".
        Nice.

        PIA to navigate that table to see how PIA rates.

  • zenex2 on 15/04/2017 - 22:27

    Just wanted to weight in on this. From the 12th of April 2017 ISPs are required to already have housed 2 years of data going back to April 15.
    This includes all email voice and IP address session history. Email includes authentication and voice includes cell phone tower IDs.

  • Gershom on 16/04/2017 - 09:51

    So what? Google and/or Apple already know far more than this about you.

    • tassietigermaniac on 16/04/2017 - 12:00

      And they don't have to share. The worst thing about this legislation is anyone who has an ABN has the right to request this data. I'm not sure how they're going to handle all the inquires they're going to get flooded by…

      I trust Apple and Google with my data much much more than the government. It's like giving the car keys to a 12yo

  • [Deactivated] on 16/04/2017 - 14:03

    Just a word of advice…

    I had the PIA (Private Internet Access VPN provider) little green droid telling me everything was like fully chilled bro for a while there, when it wasn't, which means all my collusion with Russia has been monitored.
    Always test that these clients are actually working…

    • bob19 on 17/04/2017 - 17:31

      So is Mr Putin after you now?

    • ProjectZero on 18/04/2017 - 16:09

      Sorry, noob at VPN, how do you check if the clients are working?

      I know to check DNS and IP leak, but is that all?

      • [Deactivated] on 19/04/2017 - 01:31

        Happy to help.

        Don't worry, i often ask questions that Google can probably answer in seconds … hmmm, the first link seems pretty good…

        • ProjectZero on 19/04/2017 - 09:28

          So from that, what you really need to check can be done on this site correct?

          Not too sure what Whoer Extended IP is though…

        • [Deactivated] on 19/04/2017 - 13:47

          @ProjectZero:

          All i know is what the Googlemeister told me.

  • ProjectZero on 18/04/2017 - 16:10

    Does anyone know if Getflix VPN have logging?

  • katekate1 on 27/04/2017 - 17:22

    That is alarming.
    How to stay safe from this?

  • shaybisc on 30/04/2017 - 12:29

    Or they could just go to your friendly telco and get a record of your calls without a warrant. Who needs laws?

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