Are you allowed to talk about your salary and employment conditions with your co-workers and other persons?

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  freakatronic on 22/03/2017 - 09:58

  +1

  HR departments are overflowing with soulless non-humans. Blood sucking anti-talent who couldn't make it into government jobs. The death of an effective company is when a HR department gains control.

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  [Deactivated] on 22/03/2017 - 13:06

  I've found that when salaries are kept secret between employees they usually find out anyway. It's just disrespectful to the employees to not give them information to learn and grow from. I've never enjoyed working anywhere where I didn't feel trusted. It reminds me of that texas prison experiment.

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  BartholemewH on 22/03/2017 - 14:51

  How you feel about it depends on whether you are 'likely' one of the highest paid or lowest paid imo.

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  Cluster on 22/03/2017 - 16:09

  At a previous IT services workplace a spreadsheet containing everyone's salaries was leaked (maybe accidental, maybe not…). It sparked a lot of squabbles between employees. 'He does far less than I do yet gets paid more!' and so on. Cat was already out of the bag so management could do nothing except tell everyone to harden up, shut up and get back to work.

  It's probably better not to know what everyone else is getting paid unless it's a public company and the figures must be released.

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  Daniel15 on 22/03/2017 - 18:40

  I'm not sure about the laws in Australia, but I'm currently working in the USA and discussions about salary are legally protected here. Employers are not allowed to dissuade employees from discussing salary, nor are they allowed to retaliate against employees that do discuss their salaries.

  At my workplace, someone even made an internal web group/forum for people to discuss salaries/compensation if they like.

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    scrimshaw on 22/03/2017 - 18:53

    The intention is that if women find out their male co-workers are earning more, they can do something about it. That's why employers cannot retaliate, and it has been so for many years.

    I think the same applies in Australia, you can't fire somebody on the basis that they talked about their pay. It would be unfair dismissal

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  Adz81 on 22/03/2017 - 19:42

  Why the (profanity) would you want to discuss it?

  You're paid a wage for doing your job, and have (presumably) accepted said wage as fair compensation for doing your job? Why on earth would it matter what colleagues are being paid?
  I've been in positions where I've been privy to salary information and I could not possibly care less about what others are paid… This has been the case when I was on $600/day, and now, when I'm on $23.50/hour… What other people are paid has nil influence on my ability to do my job, or the fact I'm grateful to have a job… I've rallied on occasion to increase others' wages and on other occasions to flat out fire people, but none of this has been based on financial reward (other than the "Boss, they bust their ass for us, they deserve more money."

  On no occasion did I feel compelled to discuss my earnings with anyone other than my direct supervisor… What possible reason would you have for wanting to discuss your salary with colleagues?

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    AlienC on 22/03/2017 - 20:44

    I think not with colleagues as that borders on the same awkwardness as asking your friends who you slept with last night or ever haha lol virgin but more so to scope who is winning the salary game especially if you are doing the same work and same duties etc.

    Example if I found out xyz was making boatloads of extra money with no reasonable reason from me I would be a little bit suss..

    Also if I found out say accounting was making 2x more than sales or whatever I'd be tempted to make the switch but that's just me I like to majke the most of my valuable limited time as am sure most do on this mortal planet earth.

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  AlienC on 22/03/2017 - 20:38

  -1

  This is life on the same level as never ask an old woman's age because she is old and it is embarrassing(?) to her.. I find those that have an affinity with the internet aka not my grandparents are pretty cool with anything because of the open nature of the internet also people who drink lots of alcohol and do lots of drugs.. but I haven't really net much of them unless you consider taking lots of medication and using lots of olive oil a hardcore drug addict and hardcore alcoholic then in that case my grandparents are also drug users and alcohol users haha lol.

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  DelhiBelly on 22/03/2017 - 20:44

  You can if you start your discussion by saying "Just between you and me….."

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    jingsu6688 on 23/03/2017 - 07:15

    Great line!

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  jingsu6688 on 23/03/2017 - 07:15

  Something cannot be discussed is called a secret. Why is it a secret? Because there are ugly things behind it. If not, why people cannot openly discuss it? Bad company, just talk to your colleague to destroy the unhuman policy.

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  Wallyt99 on 23/03/2017 - 07:58

  Not lawful. Breach of fundamental worker right to freedom of association. Some really uneducated 'legal advisers' here.

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    tonyjzx on 28/03/2017 - 14:55

    This ^^^

    I appreciate this clause has been going on for decades but to even try to regulate what employees talk about with other people in and outside the company.

    LOL.

    And the sheep here lap it up.

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