Buying Motorcycle Advice

fossilfuel on 05/02/2017 - 11:03

Hello!

Recently got my motorcycle L's and I'm looking for a bike for less than $3k. Will be using it for short commutes to and from uni and work (both ~40km to and from) a few days a week. Currently looking at the Honda CBR125(R) - found some with low KMs and under 2k - might stick with that but I'm also open to other options. I'd prefer a 125cc engine and either sport or naked bodies. It's my first time making such a large purchase so any advice on what to look out for and bargaining would be much appreciated!

Cheers.

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Comments

  • Tech and cars on 06/02/2017 - 18:39

    In 2015, I had purchased a 2013 CBR 250R in qld for roughly $3000, on 6000 km's. I enjoyed it.

    I think test ride both the 125R and the 250R. If you feel a significant difference (I did), then fork out extra for the 250R.

    I got my jacket for quite cheap on gumtree. Same applies for gloves.

    For the helmet - definitely buy new. If someone had dropped their helmet it could mean that it's 'cracked' on the inside and won't absorb the impact if you are ever in an accident!

    Good luck, have fun.

  • 2wheels on 06/02/2017 - 19:40
    +1

    You should be fine with a 125CC if you're only doing inner city riding. Don't think you can't afford a decent 250CC with a $3K budget though. I recently got a Ninja 250R with low KMs for $3,200 so they're around if you are patient.

    • fossilfuel on 06/02/2017 - 20:44

      Yeah saw a few green ninja's for ~2.5 grand a few months back. Shame they're all gone now :(

  • Godric on 06/02/2017 - 19:56

    Motard?

  • algy on 06/02/2017 - 19:57
    +6

    I'm about the same weight, 125 is just too small to be honest. It will be fine, but it feels much better to be on the 250. I bought my 2005 VTR250 for 3k on the nose (well 2950) with 12mnts rego. I'd heavily reccomend the bike, it looks great, very cheap to run, and they last forever.

    But if you spend a bit of time looking out for a deal you shouldn't struggle too hard to find a good 250 for under 3k. Good luck.

    • scandalous on 06/02/2017 - 20:40
      +2

      2nd the VTR250 as a great learner and P's bike. A guy at work just sold one for 3K so they are out there for that kind of money. Sound pretty good too. Good luck.

    • fossilfuel on 06/02/2017 - 20:43

      They look pretty good actually. Will definitely keep that option open. Thanks!

  • Ken1977 on 06/02/2017 - 20:17

    After a period of not riding my girlfriend had the bright idea of returning to riding and getting a CBR125, I tried to convince her otherwise but she had her mind set, after all that's what she learnt on for license test. She found a good second hand one with low km's. After buying it and going on a 10 minute ride, she realised it was the worst decision ever. She felt it was actually dangerous how crap it was. I rode it and yeah it was just sad.

    • fossilfuel on 06/02/2017 - 20:42

      Could you elaborate on why and how it's dangerous/crap?

      • WT on 07/02/2017 - 15:41

        cant break a wet noodle

        The 250 isnt that great either, a v6 commodoor will probably win at the old traffic light GP. Sis inlaw has one, I borroed it and felt bad but just pinned it everywhere

        RVF400 is the fastest LAMS bike but they are getting hard to find in good condition and cheap ones, while around 3-4k will need work/tidy up.

      • Ken1977 on 08/02/2017 - 00:50

        It is very underpowered for a start, struggles to do 80 let alone 100km/h, has the skinniest tyres of any motorbike.

  • Zolo on 06/02/2017 - 20:44
    +7

    Honda VTR250 is a great bike to learn on. I'm a similar weight and it has plenty of acceleration and very zippy around corners. Being a naked bike it won't hurt as much if you drop it :P

    • fossilfuel on 06/02/2017 - 20:45

      Yeah a few people have mentioned that. I'll definitely keep that option open, I kinda like it.

      • shtewe on 07/02/2017 - 12:34

        I had a VTR250. Highly recommend it.

    • shadowarrior on 07/02/2017 - 23:51

      I love the VTR250. Add some crash knobs on the sides and you have an indestructible learner's machine! :)

    • gregsurname on 08/02/2017 - 00:00

      VTR250 is a great bike, also what I learnt on, but it might be a bit out of his price range.

  • Srdjan52 on 06/02/2017 - 20:51
    +1

    My suggestion would be to get a 300. Be it honda or ninja, i suggest ninja, yammy 300 is still expensive. EFI is a beautiful thing. ABS is always good to have for new riders.
    Save a bit longer until you have $4000 to spend.
    Get a textile jacket if you want to commute, gloves and boots are a must. ATGATT

    • fossilfuel on 06/02/2017 - 21:14

      Yeah the thing is, I'm limited to the amount of shifts I can do given other stuff that I have on. I can afford a $4k bike but that's just going to blow a massive hole in my bank account, so I really can't stretch my budget. For now, I'd rather have something to thrash around and practice on than a nicer bike. I'll definitely get a nicer bike once I'm on my P2s.

  • fossilfuel on 06/02/2017 - 21:17
    +2

    Thank you everyone for taking out your time and giving me advice. I'm overwhelmed by the number of helpful tips I've received for the past day and two. I'm really grateful for all your help and will take everything into account when buying a bike and proper gear :D

  • Ace26 on 06/02/2017 - 21:58
    +1

    Like many others have suggested dont buy 125cc. I bought the cbr125 to get my full licence. It was way underpowered too light for hard braking when you need to. I know you are on L's and might be thinking it's enough but trust me it is not.

    I suggest go with the 250 min ideally 400cc or more. That way you can keep for a few years and enjoy the ride till you decide to get bigger bike later.

    Also buy second hand and save money.

    • fossilfuel on 06/02/2017 - 22:56

      Yeah that seems to be the gist of things around here. Honestly, if CTP wasn't that bloody expensive, I would've gone with 250cc without skipping a heartbeat. But like some others have said, it's better to pay a little more for increased safety with a higher cc bike.

      What would've you gotten if you didn't get the cbr125?

  • ronnknee on 06/02/2017 - 23:28
    +1

    2013 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc listed for $3000. You could probably negotiate a few hundred maybe.

    • fossilfuel on 07/02/2017 - 00:18

      That's pretty sweet, I'll look into it, thanks!

  • naplutetium on 06/02/2017 - 23:32
    +1

    +1 for the Honda VTR250. It was my learner bike many years ago. Loved it! I even rode it all the way to Melbourne, did the Great Ocean Road, Adelaide and back to Sydney. Never missed a beat.

    Also +1 for at least a 250cc bike. My girlfriend has a 125cc scooter which I ride sometimes when the big bike is in service. For small trips to the shops it is fine, but not for anything else. Crossing the Harbour Bridge (Anzac Bridge is even worse) is almost dangerous because I can’t get over 50k/hr up hill. Going downhill I have managed to get up to 90km/hr. Sure, being on your L/Ps you won’t need the speed, but if you see that big truck behind you coming closer and closer and you can’t get away, you wish you had something more powerful. Some cars also don’t expect the fact that you simply can’t go any faster.

    Good luck!

    • fossilfuel on 07/02/2017 - 00:21

      Thanks for the tips. Had a look on gumtree and bikesales, they're all well above $3k. Only managed to find some pre-2000 models for less than $3k but even then, the mileage is insanely high. Don't think I'll be able to afford it :(

  • smpantsonfire on 06/02/2017 - 23:47
    +6

    Damn you motorcycle people are the most helpful bunch I've seen on OzBargain for sure.

    No bashing other people's opinions,
    All providing the same consistent genuinely caring attitude towards ops safety.

    Good work guys!

    • fossilfuel on 07/02/2017 - 00:21

      Join the club! :D

  • Goliegosh on 07/02/2017 - 00:39
    +1

    Hey mate congratulations on getting your L's.

    My first piece of advice before you purchase your bike is to purchase some decent gear (new helmet look at LS2 and some leathers from Gumtree presuming you want to spend as little as possible). I picked up a really nice Alpinestar jacket which is valued at $700 for $200 (bargains are everywhere, you just need to be patient and look around)

    The little 125 Honda you're looking at is a good in terms of reliable and cheap but IMO I think you should get something with a little more power like a 250cc. The 250cc will be louder so people may look/see you more in traffic. My first bike was a 250cc Ninja. It was good handling, cheap/reliable, looked nice and it had enough power to get me around the place (also traveled to and from uni/casual job). I picked it up for 3k and it was a 2012 model with roughly 6000kms on the clock. Look around the place, keep your options open, test ride them if the buyers let you. So to throw out some suggestions, try the 250- 400cc displacement range and keep a particular eye on the brands Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki.

    • fossilfuel on 07/02/2017 - 00:46

      Thanks for typing out a response at this time of the night :D

      I'm currently scouting all the clearance deals from the big motorcycle stores to see if there's anything that'll fit me. Found a few bargains so far but I'll keep on looking for the best deal. Nice job getting that Alpinestar jacket!

      $3k for a 2012 ninja is a steal! I've seen a few older (~2007-2010) models around $2.5k a few months back but sadly they're all gone now. Yeah, I think I'll go for a 250cc bike given the popular consensus on safety and power but I'll leave the 125cc option open as a last resort. It'll probably be a while until I find one that fits what I want though :(

  • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2017 - 01:22
    +1

    If you have time buy your jacket/pants on eBay, you can get Dainese and Alpinestar jackets for 1/3-1/4 the retail price if you're patient. Kevlar pants will do all year around but you will need a leather and a fabric jacket for two extreme seasons.

    Missus first bike was a CBF250, got it for $2,600 and rode it and it was great fun, cheap on everything, ended up selling it for $2,700, not a dime spent on it during that time.

    • maxpower11 on 07/02/2017 - 09:33
      +1

      I'd just be wary of counterfeit gear at those prices unless you're buying second hand locally just check it fits correctly first.

      • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2017 - 17:46

        Yes they're second hand, sorry should have clarified that.

  • scandalous on 07/02/2017 - 09:12
    +2

    Probably worth mentioning as I don't think anyone else has. Buying bikes in the colder winter months you normally have more bargaining power as they sell slower. At the start of spring summer people think about getting in to riding or upgrading I guess. I don't have any evidence to back this up just what I have noticed trawling bike ads. Sydney person here.

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 09:58

      Thanks for the heads up. Which month do you reckon they'll be the cheapest?

  • bod311 on 07/02/2017 - 09:15
    +6

    As a fully licensed rider and the owner of both a litre bike and a 125 I think I should add my 2 cents.

    A lot of people say don't buy the 125 you'll get bored and want more power. The first part of that I really question. If you think you'll get bored on a motorcycle maybe your in the wrong hobby or using the wrong mode of transport. The second part will likely happen. It always happens as soon as you learn to master the bike you feel like you want more power. This will happen on every bike so isn't a particularly strong argument.

    All that said I strongly recommend against a 125 for a first bike. The lack of power compared even to a 250 means you a more likely to find yourself in dangerous situations. As a general rule you have three options to avoid accidents 1) speed up 2) slow down and 3) swerve. Unfortunately when you are on a low powered bike you almost invariably lose option 1 and you are limiting yourself to only two potential avenues of escape. Ultimately the most important phase of learning to ride is staying safe and being on a 125 you are unfortunately going to be in a lot of dangerous situations that you are not equipped by skill or experience to tackle.

    There are numerous dangerous situations that are also unique to a 125. For example cars will assume you can overtake them as they think bikes are fast, as a result they will do stupid things like accelerate whilst you overtake them not understanding that over 80km/h they probably have about 10x the acceleration of your little machine.

    Ultimately if you can afford no other bike and it's a 125 or nothing I'd still say go for it. But keep in mind the inherent dangers and functional limitations of your machine.

    Good luck!

    • shtewe on 07/02/2017 - 12:41
      +1

      Yes, please get a 250 cc bike. My parents have an XR100 and I could never imagine riding that on the road as it is just to under powered

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:00

      Thanks for the advice mate, I appreciate it. I'm definitely going for a 250cc bike now. There's no substitute for greater safety. Just need to find a good deal now.

      • bod311 on 08/02/2017 - 11:35
        +1

        May be worth looking at the Suzuki GS500 and GS500F. They are a bit older and not as 'cool' but a great learner bikes and relatively easy to find one under your budget.

  • imurgod on 07/02/2017 - 09:15
    +3

    Are you somewhat mechanically able? As in, do you know how to change a spark plug, etc?

    I ask because you could consider a 2 stroke 125 like the Aprilia rs 125. Great power, great handling and great brakes although you want to find one with low kms or see receipts of rebuild.

    I have 3 bikes, 2 of which are 2 stroke because, whilst they do need maintenance, it's easy to do, far less moving parts and great fun. Also, feels good to work on your own machines.

    Just some food for thought.

    Welcome to riding though, remember to always ride safe. Your life is far more precious than your ego!

    • codename47 on 07/02/2017 - 12:15
      +3

      "Welcome to riding though, remember to always ride safe. Your life is far more precious than your ego!"

      LEGEND!

    • WhatWouldBiggieDo on 07/02/2017 - 14:26
      +2

      This. There's also a 4-stroke Aprilia RS125(4t) if you are not mechanically minded that looks amazing in Alitalia livery

      • imurgod on 07/02/2017 - 17:07
        +2

        Of course!The 4 stroke Aprilia looks awesome (they all do) but is very underpowered at something like 15hp.

        Personally, I'd go for some of the bikes others have mentioned over it.

        Not sure if it's learner legal, but a guy I know recently bought a KTM sportsbike which is 300cc I think. It looks and goes fantastic.

        I also forgot to mention that whether you're going bike or scooter (scooters are excellent for commuting and are easy to operate and maintain), don't buy Chinese and I wouldn't trust Korean either. Heard too many bad reports about them.

        • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 12:42

          What are your thoughts on Hyosung? They look alright but dunno how well they'll fair in terms of reliability.

        • imurgod on 08/02/2017 - 14:37
          +1

          @fossilfuel: personally, I wouldn't touch them. I've heard bad reports about reliability but someone mentioned they got better recently.

          For me, I'd stick with a reputable brand. The last thing you want is a major failure while you're riding.

          Honda are super reliable, so too are Yamaha and Suzuki.

          Japanese bikes are excellent and because they're common, you should be able to get the right price.

        • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 17:04

          @imurgod: Yep sounds good. Have my eye on a blue ninja atm so might go check it out this weekend.

          Does it matter too much if the bike is a Japanese brand but manufactured elsewhere?

        • imurgod on 08/02/2017 - 19:29

          @fossilfuel: It depends. Generally it should be ok but always do a bit of research on the net to see what users say.

          Regarding the Ninjas, I can tell you they are a very well built, reliable bike and have been around forever which is a good thing. I always preferred the CBR250RR back when I was on my L's and P's because I loved the sound and they have gear-driven camshafts as opposed to belt or chain… those motors are very hard to break!!

          It's also extremely beneficial to join a bike forum as there are lots of people that are more than happy to help you with anything from a discussion like we're having to assistance with repairs (You can save some money doing little things yourself because some things are simply fiddly but not difficult - Do these yourself because it's good to know your bike at least a bit IMHO).

          Also be on the lookout for bikes with low kms and those with logbooks and/or evidence that they have been looked after (Obvious, I know).

          Anyhow, more than happy to help you where required so feel free to ask anything you like and I'll do my best to help.

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:02
      +1

      Thanks for the tips!

      I'm mechanically retarded when it comes to motor vehicles since I never had to do maintenance on the family car. I do all the work on my push bike but that's completely different to a motor vehicle (I think).

      I heard the Aprilia might be a little hard to ride for new riders in comparison to the ninja and honda. What'd you reckon?

      • imurgod on 08/02/2017 - 10:28
        +1

        Riding is fine. You'll ride it easily but they require maintenance so I'd say go for a 4 stroke with a reputable brand like honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, etc.

        • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 12:41

          Sounds good mate. Thanks for the tips!

  • jparga on 07/02/2017 - 11:39
    +2

    With your rego budget I will look for a YZF-R15 but rather look a bit bigger one (250-400cc range) , Do you have a separate budget for the gear? that is always a thing that does not get taken into account and I would not save too much in a good pair of jeans, jacket and gloves…..for helmets HJC, Rjays or GVC….go to a store and see what you like and see the features (sun visor inside) …Agree with Shadowarrior no flip ups!…..dont buy second hand helmet in gumtree….never know what has happened to it. …..full suit for daily raiding becomes for me too much hassle…..I use riding jeans leather jacket with protection….Good luck with your motorcycle search…..better to pay a $50 pre purchase inspection before you buy it …call some shops do them……
    The honda cb125 is a good bike saw one in bike sales $1500 with 10k kms not bad…..

    • imurgod on 08/02/2017 - 19:33

      I couldn't agree more regarding riding gear. The ground is hard and good gear is well worth the money. Good helmets don't have to be super expensive and replica helmets that look cool (Rossi 46 FTW!) can sometimes cost more for no reason.

  • seefu on 07/02/2017 - 11:43
    +1

    I'm with bod311. Also fully licensed and riding for years. Currently own 4 bikes; 2 of which are under 125cc (used to have 3 125cc or below).

    I wouldn't suggest a CBR125R for commuting. My wife had a CBR125R for a few years but I rode it more than she did. Doing 40km on that thing was a chore. It was good for going around the corner to the shops or riding around the city but anything over 20km just felt too far and the low weight and vibrations will get to you if you're constantly riding 40km. By the end of the week, you'll be hating the thing. The longest ride we've done on it is about 200km and it is exhausting that's for sure.

    My current small bikes are the Honda Grom and the almighty CT110 (Postie). I wouldn't recommend the Grom for a learner due to it being more of a toy than a real motorcycle. Absolute fun but in small doses. Longest ride I did on that was 45km each way to my parents' place. The CT110 is purely a suburb and city machine, top speed of 70km/h on a bad day and not all that comfortable.

    Having ridden bikes of all sizes, I would recommend a 250cc atleast for your purposes of commuting. The CBR125R I sold to a friend so she can practice to ride, but she literally just goes up and down the road and nowhere else to practice gear changing and emergency braking.

  • yoonibear on 07/02/2017 - 11:43
    +3

    Completely off topic - but spend the majority of your budget towards your gear. My partner works in the OR and she's seen plenty of motorcycle accidents where inadequate gear was involved :(

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:04
      +1

      Yeah that's what I'm planning to do. Go cheap on the bike and max out on the gear.

      I've also seen my fair share of motorcycle accidents. Most of the time they're people wearing thongs and short sleeve clothing, which I really don't understand.

  • hongas on 07/02/2017 - 11:44
    +1

    Hi,

    I have owned several bikes in my life riding for 13 years (no major accident, I ride with high FLUORESCENT shirt and VEST with sensible road knowledge (spider sense for bikers) + dash camera on my helmet) and still commuting on my KAWASAKI ER6F (oldie but goody) for last 3 years covering 30km every day.

    I started with 2007 CBR125R - cost me $2300 back in 2009 with 27K kms on the clock.

    they are great bike to commute for 40km or so. but unless your weight is less than 60kg it is highly under powered. yes you will get used to the bike very quickly but it is good bike to learn on.

    I think bod311 said best on page 1 two post from the end…

    "All that said I strongly recommend against a 125 for a first bike. The lack of power compared even to a 250 means you a more likely to find yourself in dangerous situations. As a general rule you have three options to avoid accidents 1) speed up 2) slow down and 3) swerve. Unfortunately when you are on a low powered bike you almost invariably lose option 1 and you are limiting yourself to only two potential avenues of escape. Ultimately the most important phase of learning to ride is staying safe and being on a 125 you are unfortunately going to be in a lot of dangerous situations that you are not equipped by skill or experience to tackle."

    save up little and have a look at 250 no NOT the M22 CBR250). or LAMS Bike bigger engine capacity.

    good luck and be safe out there.

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:05

      Thanks mate. Will do a bit more shopping around in the coming weeks or months.

  • assetcollector on 07/02/2017 - 13:12
    +2

    I bought a CB125E Honda on eBay unseen for $1700, 2 years old and 7700km, for my Ls and Ps. Sometimes you have to ride it hard to keep up with traffic, hills and wind. Great bike.
    Recently bought a 2007 Hyosung GV250 cruiser. $1000 on eBay with 40,000 km. Needed clean and maintenance. Going well. More comfortable and faster. Even been on freeway with red Ps.
    Also have 2007 Hyosung GT650R project.
    My gear secondhand from eBay, helmet from Aldi (August I think for bike specials).

  • onlyletters on 07/02/2017 - 13:41
    +1

    Ninja 250 is the way to go, buy a 250 now, dont buy and sell.. stick with one until your ready to move to a 600 or 1000

  • pikespeak77 on 07/02/2017 - 14:34
    +2

    I daily commute in Sydney on my 125cc Grom,
    By the time i get to work i have a smile from ear to ear, if you are the kinda guy who can laugh at your self you will have a blast and fall in love with it.
    Yes its a 125, no you wont win any races with it but it will teach you how to ride, it will teach you how to extract every drop of power from an engine using the clutch, gears, and its so much damn fun, I have taken it up and through the blue mountains and back and it will handle it like a champ. it can sit at 110 on the freeway, it wont be super happy about it and you are looking at maybe 100 on the hills.. in a full tuck. (im 6,2 and 85kg)
    These can be picked up off facebook groups for 3000-3200 any day of the week
    and WHEN you drop it, they are only 100kg!

    In Melbourne I get around on a 1982 SR250 custom built cafe racer, and the Grom gets more looks! its really fun to ride but its another kind of fun, it will handle long rides at 100km/h much nicer, especially with dropping the bars so you are more aerodynamic, it was $850 and i have probably sunk $500 ish in parts getting her running nice and done the labour my self,

    As for gear, don't go a flip helmet or a half face, and don't go cheap, just get something that fits, I use a DriRider Airrider 3 jacket in hot weather and a Rjays Dune jacket in the cold / wet. they are both good jackets and can be had for $200 and $250 respectively.

    Its worth noting that the SR is a carb and the Grom is EFI, you will be getting a lot more power out of an EFI 125 than you can get out of a Carbd 125 like the CB125e.

    As much as you may want to get your self something like a retro CafeRacer for your first bike, they can be a lot of issues,

    If you need a riding buddy in sydney hit me up!

    • WT on 07/02/2017 - 16:00
      +1

      first time I seen a grom was in Thailand and the mrs was thinking what is this idiot drooling over, a mini bike.

      Then they brought them here and ask 2k extra for it. Heart broken!

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:07
      +1

      Thanks for the advice!

      Will definitely hit you up when I'm more confident on the road.

  • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2017 - 15:44
    +1

    cbr250rr/mc22

  • PaulieDx02 on 07/02/2017 - 15:58

    I am planning much the same but I am not going to waste my time on a 125cc.
    I will get a minimum 250cc Ninja or something.

  • btst7000 on 07/02/2017 - 16:06
    +1

    Make sure whatever you get has ABS, which statistically cuts your chance of crashing in half. I would highly recommend a lightly used ABS CBR250r (sub 10000km) which you can get for around 3k depending on condition. In terms of gear, make sure you are always wearing a full face helmet and gloves. I personally would also recommend good boots, pants with knee / hip armour and sliding zones and a good weather-suitable jacket with back protectors, shoulder and elbow armor. Make sure all the armor on your jacket, pants and gloves is CE rated. CE level 1 is good but level 2 is better. Buying a good 250cc bike now should last you a long time indeed. Probably also worth getting a decent socket set and screwdriver kit - using this and a bike stand, you can do a lot of your bike maintenance at home. Good luck and enjoy - motorbikes are amazing.

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:09

      I've seen a few cbr25r ABS for a little over $3k. I think I can manage to haggle it down to the 2k range.

      Never knew about the CE ratings so I'll definitely keep an eye out for that, thanks!

    • Pandaroo on 08/02/2017 - 16:31

      What happens when he hops on a bike with no Abs and bins it because he doesn't know how to brake properly though?
      I'd recommend learning how to ride before taking shortcuts, will save him in the long run to learn the theory and put it to use rather than just hammering the brakes with no thought.

  • aerona on 07/02/2017 - 16:08
    +1

    Buy a cbr250r or kawasaki 300 if you are into sport looks

  • phokati on 07/02/2017 - 16:13
    +1

    Btw Yamaha YZF-R125 is the best looking 125 CC you'd Get its exactly like R6, Just smaller engine.

  • Draco on 07/02/2017 - 16:48
    +1

    See if you can find an old VTR 250 for cheap they're great.

  • pao2x on 07/02/2017 - 18:00
    +1

    The max before CTP jumps from 140 to 400 is 225 cc. You have a few options regarding maximizing power. 200-225cc. Like KTM duke etc.

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:10
      +2

      I never knew this. This is great advice. Thanks!

      Any bikes in the 200-225cc range you'd recommend?

      • pikespeak77 on 08/02/2017 - 10:20

        the KTM RC200 is popular, at 130kg ish its knid a light and you can flick it around,
        http://www.ktm.com/supersport/rc-200-1/

      • pao2x on 08/02/2017 - 18:19

        I am interested in this category as well as parking has been hard to come by at my work place. I only have a 3KM ride but it has extremely steep hills. So far the only sort of not so underpowered bikes Ive seen on bikesales are KTM Duke and Yamaha RZ15 and a few 200cc scooters (which I do not prefer).

  • peterpaoliello on 07/02/2017 - 18:21

    Everyone is right, 125 is a waste of time and risking your safety. I have a Honda VTR 250, is cheap as you'd reasonably spend (~$3000-$4000). After getting my open licences I still use it an like it. I have it up for sale in WA if you're interested (http://www.bikesales.com.au/private/sse-ad-4497380/2010-honda-vtr250-(efi)/)

  • Squidmcsproggen on 07/02/2017 - 18:44

    buy a harley, they have no up and go

  • billy77 on 07/02/2017 - 19:14
    +1

    Learned on a 2000 BMW GS650 which is allowed in the state I was. I'm heavier than 72kg. I'd recommend you to go as big as your budget allows and that is allowed in your state. There is never too much power - lack of power actually becomes a safety problem.
    Good luck and don't speed.

  • Randxyz123 on 07/02/2017 - 19:54
    +1

    Just looked on bike sales… Kawasaki Ninja can be had for <$3000

    I don't know much about bikes but I see a lot near where I went to Uni in Melbourne City and a lot of L platers had them. They look pretty cool.

    Also please OP I know this is OzBargain but please don't skimp on gear. I saw a pretty bad crash a few months back and just the other day I saw a bloke in thongs, denim shorts and a singlet lane split down my right hand side in the right hand lane on the freeway. Again I don't ride but the correct stuff will save your life.

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:13

      Yeah I'm look at the ninja and cbr250 now. 125cc has been scrapped off my list.

      Hopefully I can find a cheapish 250cc and have plenty left over for good gear.

  • pitoui on 07/02/2017 - 23:33
    +2

    My first bike was a Suzuki GS500F. Loved it to bits and it served me well until I got my full licence. Even sold it for a profit! It had more than enough torque for overtaking and city riding. Bought my missus a CBR250R and it was like I had to rev the crap out of it to get any real speed up.

    Best advice is to test ride the bikes you're interested in to make your decision easier.

  • JMERC on 07/02/2017 - 23:39
    +1

    Another vouch for Ninja 250 if you want a sporty look.

    Great little bikes and generally hold their resale value since learners love them.

    They have been superseded by the Ninja 300 - so they have dropped in price in recent years.

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 13:05

      I had no idea there was a newer model. Will definitely keep an eye out for cheaper Ninja 250s. Cheers mate.

  • shadowarrior on 07/02/2017 - 23:57
    +1

    Also…just because a bike is old…doesn't mean it's a shit box if its taken care of.
    I bought a 1996 ZX6R in Melbourne back in 2008 for $2500. It had 65,000kms on it. I rode it till 140,000+, then stripped it naked to make it a track bike. It NEVER missed a beat….the engine purred like it was brand new. Kawasaki engines from the couple of Kwaka I have owned, are beautiful and reliable when maintained. It was an emotional day when I sold the ZX6R and later on a ZRX1200. :(

    Buy a decent bike…cheap..even if its old and has some kms. If its naked, and it drops, you don't do any harm. If its naked, its easier to do maintenance work. If its full fairings, well enjoy a sports bike from the years when manufactures didn't care about pollution norms and were unrestricted in every possible way. :)

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:16

      I've heard people recommend against getting a bike with high mileage (over 15k or so). What are your thoughts on that?

      • shadowarrior on 08/02/2017 - 10:57
        +1

        You can buy higher mileage bikes cheaper and in turn they don't have that much resale value. Bigger the engine capacity, safer on kms done on it.
        I have bought and owned bunch of higher mileage bikes, I always went through checking on how well they were maintained. I do most of the work on my bikes and cars by myself, so keeping it maintained helps in keeping it in shape.

        If you can get an older reliable bike with higher mileage within your budget for now, go for it. Learn the basics, start riding. Eventually you can upgrade to something newer.

        • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 12:39

          Approximately at what mileage does a bike lose its resale value?

          I wouldn't mind a high mileage bike as long as it has been well looked after, even if I resell it at a few hundred dollars deficit.

    • shadowarrior on 08/02/2017 - 08:26
      +3

      Welcome to 'down voted to hell' club.

      • gregsurname on 09/02/2017 - 16:09

        I can survive that.

  • Forskin on 08/02/2017 - 07:18
    +2

    One of my friends has a Honda Grom. Cheap and small but gets the job done. Pretty funny watching him ride though

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 10:14
      +2

      That's my next goal :D to get a grom when I'm working full time. They look fun as hell.

  • Jtin on 08/02/2017 - 13:22
    +1

    This is ozbargain so I will give my 2c on saving money on gear.
    Go to your motorcycle shop and try on some gear for sizing.
    As a rule of thumb (not always true) same brands have same sizing for their range, in case you want a specific product but cant find one.
    If you need the gear then and there, always ask for their best price as they will always knock off a few dollars.
    Otherwise with the sizing in mind go online to buy gear.
    Fcmoto.de and motoin.de are generally your cheapest options (not always so make sure you check).
    If you buy from there (at least with fcmoto, never bought from motoin) check for coupons, they always have 10% off, they remove vat from their prices (need to put in your delivery destination), but make sure order does not exceed $1000aud otherwise you will get hit with import taxes. Its usually cheaper than aus, but always check, some arent.
    I would recommend just getting your helmet in store or from an aussie seller to make sure its aus certified unless you know what youre doing.
    One way to get cheap helmets is to search for aussies sellers on ebay that are clearing specific models (needs a bit of luck). But your main choice for helmet should be fit and comfort.

    • fossilfuel on 08/02/2017 - 13:23

      Thanks mate. Great advice! I'll have a look online for good and cheap gear.

      • Jtin on 08/02/2017 - 13:26
        +1

        Oh yeah remember to use 28 degrees or citibank cards in euros for max saving if its from the german sites.

  • Pandaroo on 08/02/2017 - 16:23
    +1

    I started on Duke 200 which I bought brand new (as they weren't available 2nd hand yet) I'd definitely recommend one.
    So light yet stable, fun and zippy, can wheelie so has plenty of power for it's weight and cheap on fuel (3-3.5L per 100kms) and I'm the same weight as you.
    Just don't buy brand new! I paid $6.5k and sold for $5.5k 1.5 years later.
    Hopefully they're cheaper now.

    And wear gloves everywhere! I crash tested a scooter and took all the skin off both palms when I was 16 and I'll never forget that.
    Also if you plan on cartwheeling down the freeway try and wear boots so you don't break your Talus as that also isn't fun.

    Otherwise have fun and don't upgrade as soon as you can, once you ride a supersport it's impossible to go back haha!

  • avgbowlofpho on 08/02/2017 - 19:30

    The Honda Dio is worth a look at

  • BartholemewH on 08/02/2017 - 21:11

    I bought a 250cc (enduro bike) brand new online without test riding it and got someone to drop it off. I chucked some gear on, jumped on and rode it up the street. I knew immediately I should have purchased the 510cc.

  • ilyushin on 09/02/2017 - 05:50
    +1

    Put at least 500 of that towards gear. imho opinion the 125 doesn't have enough power, i would recommend at least a 250, otherwise you will just want to upgrade in 6 months time. something like a vtr250 or z300 if you can find a good cheap one. Hyosung 250 are not too bad, not as refined as the japanese bikes but still sounds good and reliable. I went from a r15 to a gt650 to a cb400 personally.

  • T0KY0 on 09/02/2017 - 08:55
    +1

    125cc will chew the petrol a bit as you'll most likely be revving the crap out of it a lot.

    Get a 250? Have a look at the Hyosungs. Some people grumble about them (korean made) but they're pretty decent. Only a few problems here and there.

    I learnt on a Hyosung GT250R in 2008, and I bought a replacement one a month ago after 55,000km and a few things were going to need replacing (clutch, discs, etc etc). (Replacement/upgrade bike was better value than the fixes)

    Bikebiz are awesome btw.

    Oh and assume every driver is an idiot until proven otherwise. Half the time they ARE that stupid.
    (And get a camera. I had an idiot in a telstra wagon REVERSE into me in traffic, then blame me…)

  • mick01 on 09/02/2017 - 11:52
    +1

    Sounds like you have your heart set on a 250 but I'll throw in my argument for a 125cc for anyone else reading.

    My commute is all within the city, with maximum speed limit of 80. I commute on one of these
    http://www.sydneycitymotorcycles.com.au/SCM3_SpecialDetail2.…

    Pros
    - brand new bike with full manufacturer's warranty for $2,599
    - cheap to run, cheap to register, cheap to insure
    - comes with a manual that explains how to do most of the servicing yourself

    It accelerates fine and can keep up with the city traffic. Yes, you need to work the gears but that doesn't bother me.
    The argument that more power will get you out of trouble may be true but it can also get you into trouble (eg higher speed, losing traction when you open the throttle in the wet etc etc).

    In summary, I've owned bigger bikes but this 125cc rider is happy on a CB125E. YMMV

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