You can get the 2.7kw reverse cycle cheaper then the 2.2kw cooling only.
If they don't have stock near you, you could try price match at JB Hi-Fi.
http://www.harveynorman.com.au/heating-cooling-air-treatment…
Air Conditioner Kelvinator 2.7kw/2.45 Reverse Cycle Pricing Error? $569 @ Harvey Norman online ($679 @ JB Hi-Fi)
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Slightly different model numbers.
I could be wrong, but I think the KWH26CRE is cooling only while the above is reverse cycle. Still good find though.
Just an FYI to anybody but the one posted was 679 during December, so might be a price error?
I think you might be right. No heating mentioned on the one i posted…
If they are still made in Australia, I'd still prefer a cheap Chinese one. Mine from about 4 years ago was terrible. Noisy and gutless. I removed it within 3 months and replaced it with a Mitsubishi.
God that's ugly. Is purposely made to slot into existing box air cons? If I was a tenant or buyer, i'd walk past it and think i'm not renting here or I have to factor in an aircon replacement cost into my offer.
God that's ugly. Is purposely made to slot into existing box air cons?
Huh? What an obtuse comment. Nobody would normally consider slotting a box air conditioner INTO an existing box air conditioner - that would be silly. This is simply a box air conditioner, designed to slot into a window or wall.
If I was a tenant or buyer, i'd walk past it and think i'm not renting here
What's that got to do with anything? It's a cooling device, not a fashion item. They all look the same - a white plate with louvres and some controls on it, and no uglier than a slit system.
or I have to factor in an aircon replacement cost into my offer.
A box air conditioner is like a portable A/C only works significantly better and is quieter. Both are specifically designed to be mounted into windows etc without requiring any installation or building alterations. In other words, they are bought to provide cooling either cheaply or temporarily for home owners or tenants.
Hint 1: no tenant will install a split or ducted system into their landlord's premises.
Hint 2: this 2.7kW box unit will be infinitely better than a 2.7kW portable A/C
"no tenant will install a split or ducted system into their landlord's premises"
I've had 2 tenants do this
Good score :-)
I was trying to edit my comment above but your comment blocked me. I was going to change it to "most tenants wouldn't…"
Because your too tight to spend on a tax deductible item for your property.
Do you regularly 'forget' your wallet when going out to dinner too?
Is this one of those ones that sits in an open window? http://www.geappliances.com/assets/images/products/air-windo…
Or is it the one where you mount in a hole in the wall? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JEyhwCsoQkc/hqdefault.jpg
If it's the one you sit in an open window, yeah whatever it is fine. If you are replacing one in a the wall, get a proper, new tech split.
https://www.fujitsugeneral.com.au/residential-range/wall-mou…AND I meant is this a replacement for a broken box? Who would think to put this in an existing unit. That's weird.
It can be window mounted, but you lose the functionality of the window (and a lot of thermal efficiency) that way, the best option for these is to make a hole in the wall and mount them that way.
@Sir Casm: How is it becoming less efficient? I know thermal efficiency sounds super technical but upon googling it appears to refer to something unrelated to air conditioning or heat pumps.
My understanding is that from an install point of view, having to seal up a portion of a window & likely not allowing it to be covered with a curtain / blind (optimal conditions for efficient/economic operation of a/c) is much less efficient than drilling & sealing a small hole in the wall.
As for the actual coefficient of performance (we've used that word a lot!) between a wall mount vs a split system, others have indicated that split systems are "more efficient", why I cannot explain, perhaps someone with a better understanding of how heat pumps work can weigh in!
@Sir Casm: It would take a shedload of hot days before paying extra for the fancy split and install would be off set by any inefficiency of a decent window install. If you didnt seal the window at all, it might be quicker, but sealed right, the differences would slow to offset. Im guessing most tenants would have moved to a new place, and taken their AC with them, saving them again, or gaining a sale 2nd hand if no longer needed. Curtain? block the window with wood, SPF infinity. Bottom glass, AC, upper glass, left alone etc. Curtain the upper window, or board it. Its how it was done before splits anyway, or a hole in the house.
Im betting gaps around doors and people entering and leaving do far more to efficiency. Probably more negative effect from an amplifier and a plasma TV.
My understanding is that from an install point of view, having to seal up a portion of a window & likely not allowing it to be covered with a curtain / blind (optimal conditions for efficient/economic operation of a/c) is much less efficient than drilling & sealing a small hole in the wall.
ERRRMMMM - you forget that there is a 500mm deep chunk of METAL with numerous cavities and internal insulation that is blocking the area of window that you've exposed. This chunk of metal is called "an air conditioner".
You perhaps have some misunderstanding that the remainder of the window would be closed in with timber or similar insulating material?
Anyway, "from an install point of view", the installation costs alone for a split system would pay for this unit AND any potential energy difference between the two for many years.
As for the actual coefficient of performance (we've used that word a lot!) between a wall mount vs a split system, others have indicated that split systems are "more efficient",
Normally COP relates to heating, and EER relates to Cooling. This window unit is apparently Cooling EER: 3.30 & Heating COP: 3.47. That means this $600 unit isn't as efficient as a $1000 Inverter split system, which would have a EER closer to 5.0.
The thing that you don't seem to grasp is that those aren't products that you would normally compare between. The box A/C is in comparison to a portable A/C, a fan, or nothing. People who can afford and would be installing a high-end split A/C are never going to consider a box unit like this.
Absolutely, the cost barriers are lower with a wall unit, but as I pointed out a few posts ago, you lose functionality of the window, which may be the only one in the room!
Also, split systems don't have to be "high end" - you can get a 2.5kW for under $800 for a decent brand. Add the install costs and you're not doing too badly at all.
Air Conditioner Kelvinator 2.7kw/2.45 Reverse Cycle Pricing Error? $569
Not sure why you'd think this is a pricing error. It's not particularly cheap.
A "pricing error" would be when it was listed at (say) $56.90.
When looking at other similar products it was cheaper and had better kW compared to the others listed.
http://www.harveynorman.com.au/heating-cooling-air-treatment…
Not really surprising that JB has a higher price, their appliances are usually priced at the higher end.
Is this really cheap for a box unit? A split costs marginally more (ignoring installation) but will be a lot quieter and more efficient.
You can't ignore installation though. If you walk away with change from $1000 after buying and installing a split system you've done very very well. With this you can stick it in the window yourself and take it with you when you move.
Most small / bedroom size split systems (~2.5kW) will be installed for $500 or thereabouts, here in Brisbane anyway, the benefit being that there is smaller modification to the building required - a small holesaw cut for the ducting vs. a large rectangle for the wall mount - and the electrical work is completed as part of the install, as opposed to having to have a power point sufficiently close on the inside wall.
$500 for an install is considerably more than the $0 I payed to stick the air con I'm enjoying right now in my window.
I got the CRE version for $400 during the last Amex promotion.
Free is always better! According to Whirlpool, $500 is a pretty decent price for split systems, I suppose given the electrical work required - attaching brackets, drilling a few holes & running cable / insulated ducting is the easy part.
Most small / bedroom size split systems (~2.5kW) will be installed for $500 or thereabouts, here in Brisbane anyway,
Perhaps, back to back. In winter. Not sure about QLD however in other states you aren't just allowed to sit the exterior unit on a couple of pavers, it must be on a slab or bolted to brackets.
Nevertheless, you are still not grasping that $500 for the install PLUS the $1000 for the Split A/C itself… well, that's $1500 per room that you will leave behind when you move to the next rental property.
$500 is the going rate for smaller size units with a reasonable length of cabling / ducting, there are no seasonal differences, I had several installed in November at that price.
Also, you would have to be a special kind of stupid to rent a place that doesn't have a/c to begin with and then pay to have it installed and leave it when moving out!
Perhaps you are not grasping that it doesn't cost $1k to purchase air conditioners suitable for bedrooms!!
Perhaps you are not grasping that it doesn't cost $1k to purchase air conditioners suitable for bedrooms!!
Errrmmm, maths fail?
You reckon $500 for the installation, PLUS what… $500 for a el-cheapo 2.4kW split system or $1000 for a name brand 2.7kW R/C Split… equals how much $ ???
Puchase ≠ install. Only a fool would purchase from the installer, unless it's at a comparable rate to what you can get on sale. Recent eBay sales mean you can get decent systems ie Fujitsu for around $680. Anyway, enjoyed your wall unit, my splits are cranking in today's 33 degree heat!
Recent eBay sales mean you can get decent systems ie Fujitsu for around $680
OK, so using YOUR figures for both purchase and install, that's total of $1180 per unit, correct?
So, please tell us how many of the box A/C like in this deal ($569) you can buy for your price of $1180. And remember that the tenant can install and take with them when they move.
my splits are cranking in today's 33 degree heat!
Well, Wooptie Doo! It's been a lot hotter than that here in Sydney today, and it still hasn't dropped down to 33 as I post this at 3am. My temporary 5kW window mounted box A/C is doing a hell of a lot better job today than the 2.5kW split in another area of the house… see, cooling ability is related to the capacity of the unit, not whether it is split system or not.
Is this really cheap for a box unit?
Nope, it's just the normal sort of price. Plenty available elsewhere for less.
For example TECO 2.7kW Reverse Cycle for $530 (brand new) at Seconds World. Even less for cooling only and/or cheaper brand names.
A split costs marginally more (ignoring installation)
Proper installation costs more than the split A/C, so it's not really fair comparison.
This kind of "box A/C" unit is what you buy when you DON'T want to pay $1500 or so just to cool one bedroom.
Or put another way - you can cool 3 kids bedrooms for the price of one Split system. Plus you can take the box units with you when you move.
Good guys has this on sale for the same price, I guess thats why HN has this price.
it's actually good guys standard price for this unit. I know because i bought this 2.5 weeks ago from them and their price was the cheapest i could find. Their website says that there is no stock / not for sale but you can find it in store for that price.
I spent a little time researching splits vs. window boxes and which was more efficient and it turns out that it's wildly variable.
Impossible to say because it depends on so many factors including climate, workmanship and materials, user behavior, house design and size.
Not that the person selling you a split is going to tell you this when they explain why you should get one.
For starters, regardless of how you put it, a portable and window one will always be more noisy, since their motor is right there in front of you.
As for the efficiency, I guess one way is to buy both and use power meter :)
For starters, regardless of how you put it, a portable and window one will always be more noisy, since their motor is right there in front of you.
Of course. That's why nobody who's buying a split system would consider a Box or Portable.
As for the efficiency, I guess one way is to buy both and use power meter :)
The far better way is to simply read the product specs prior to purchase. By law this information must be published on all A/C offered for sale in Australia.
Appliances central have it for $510.00. Free shipping in Sydney or pickup at Villawood.
https://www.appliancecentral.com.au/kwh26cre-kelvinator-2-7k…