What is everyone's thoughts… I believe its a smart move by Sony. Streaming is the future.. Haven't used a Disk in years.
PlayStation 4 Pro - Leaving out 4k Disk Playback
Ldeltronics01 on 14/12/2016 - 10:03
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Not a smart move. I actually switched to XBOX One S because of this and pretty sure not the only one thinking the same.
Plus, our streaming power isn't that good anyway. NBN/Cables are the only ones offering 100/40 speed while the rest still lives on max 20 on ADSL2 and that's the max theoritical speed. More likely 5 to 12.
Also you can at least sell BD but you can't sell streaming…
My 2c
You only need 25Mbps internet at most to meet 4K streaming requirements.
But the reality is Netflix 4K is about 10-20Mbps
Compressed 4K stream from Netflix is nowhere near as good as proper 4K quality on disks
( apart from most people don't have the speed to do it in Aus)
Silly reason to switch because of this reason. PlayStation is a much better gaming system. excellent exclusives..
I get that.
I will eventually get PS4 when the FF7 Remake is complete but for now, I simply refuse to pay $550 for just gaming when there is an alternative that plays 4K BDR Movies at $299 (based on recent deal posts) and plays most of the games available in PS4.
It's economics… pure and simple.
i just watched prometheus on FHD and it looks so amazing on my 4k 65" LG TV.. i dont see much of a reason for 4k movies unless your sitting like a meter away from the TV :).. ive tried allot of 4k movies and 4k content and they are only good up close.. after you back away 2-3 meters its so hard to tell the difference between 4k and UHD.. now High dynamic range TV's and media do look better at any distance so that is more of a reason to go 4k HDR then 4k alone is lol funny that.
My LG Pannel is Full RGB 4k 2015 model with 3D :)
Not sure what your talking about,.. more info!!
The WRGB came in this year. This LG 200hz 6 times UHD upscale panel looked better then any Samsung out at the time i purchased.
Checked out HDR at a friends house. :)
@vid_ghost:
I'm saying you bought a 4K TV yet you "don't see much reason for 4K movies". So you bought it for HDR? Did you know LCD tech sucks ass and doesn't work great for HDR? You essentially spent multiple grand on something you don't know about, and don't care about even when you see it with your own eyes. That's amazing.@vid_ghost: Pretty much this. The human eye only has a particular resolution. People are rushing out and buying 55inch UHD TVs and sitting 3 metres back.
I own both and it's much of a muchness between the two. Which console I buy a game on comes down to which one has the game cheapest. Although I pref the Xbox controller.
The Pro is way ahead of the One S. I love the One S, Gears and Forza are hard to beat but for multiplatform games the Pro is miles ahead.
Streaming is the future but Sony probably didn't consider Australia's internet speeds when making the decision to not include 4K disc playback. So for Australia, it wasn't a smart move hence why the XBOX One S deals are so popular (a smart move by Microsoft in my opinion).
I think Sony only considered Europe, and third world countries.
We are part of the third world countries when its come to internet :)
Reviews show that Netflix 4K streaming is not yet better quality than a STANDARD blu-ray (1080p). Even on super fast NBN internet:
https://www.avforums.com/article/is-4k-netflix-better-than-b…
The picture is, debateably, very slightly better, if you prefer "sharpness" and can accept all the compression artifacts, but the sound is definitely worse.
So no. 4K streaming is no substitute for 4K blu-ray. It's closer to standard blu-ray.
With our internet speeds, this may not change for many years.
So yeah, it's a bad move from a technical point of view. They have screwed over their customers.
However, most people don't understand this, so maybe it's not a terrible business move? Maybe Sony is so far ahead of MS that it won't matter. Time will tell…
No it's not that people are being screwed over or people don't understand, it's that they don't care. Have a look at the rise in Netflix correlating to JB Hi-FI physical media sales from 2012 onwards.
The PS4 Pro has clearly made the cut on a feature to meet a price target, their games sales not suffering is a sign that the audience has accepted that.
I would have liked the 4K feature, but video enthusiasts like myself are a minority. And even so the PS4 would have made a mediocre blu-ray player anyway. Video enthusiasts would go with Oppo.
Yes, I don't know where the "screwed over" part comes in … who is screwing who over?
But you're right: for a large majority of people convenience trumps quality. You only have to look at music to realise this where we've gone from the best you can get - CD quality and if there's anyone being screwed over it's consumers of "high resolution audio" - to inferior streaming. How could we expect the TV and movie business to not follow suit. It's even more susceptible to this than music given that people mostly watch one time.
People don't care. Seriously. They were happy to watch 600MB 560p DVD rips obtained via torrents for years, even today.
For comparison, JUST the audio stream on standard bluray is very nearly as much as Netflix asks for 4K stream.
Apparently PS4 does have 4k compatible blue-ray player but firmware does not support. It could be something to do with licencing or patent.
Then again, when do you last purchased a blue ray? in my case never. As long as games support 4k I be happy.Doubtful, as Sony has 4K players. Further, PS4 Pro is a new system, so they definitely could have designed it with all the codec support needed.
Although streaming/digital download is the future, hard copies will never disappear. Some people including myself like a physical copy, you can sell it, keep it as collectible and sometimes it's cheaper to buy it that way.
Also for 4k, not everyone has a constant 25mbps download speed.
An easy addition for the next generation, why add it now when you can add it as a new feature in the PS5, they have just learnt from what Apple does every new iPhone/iPad.
Customers are used to this and by the next generation there may be something else available to do with VR etc so they can put all their resources into developing that instead.
Not an issue for me as I don't have a 4K ready TV anyway, might go to the Pro for the added performance, more for future games than current, but that would be the only reason.
If there was one with a 4k player and one without, I'd go for the cheaper one. I've never bought a bluray, I think the last DVD I bought was about 5 years ago, I just don't find them very convenient.
I think they are better focussing on keeping the cost down rather than including features that people may not want. I guess the next PSX will have a 4k player included as standard?
Usually people who have a large collection on 4K movies in disc might also have a good 4K player. They won't be relying on PS4 to play the movies. Also most PS4 gamers would not be interested in watching 4K movies often.
It's good that Sony did not include 4K playback and include the cost which will be useless to many.Why would there be any additional cost? It still has a blu-ray drive. There's not much difference between the two standards.
No one cares - ignorance is bliss. People TODAY are buying DVD's at JB Hifi to play on their 4K Sammy's with bluray players. Sony noticed, realised that majority of consumers are dumb and ignorant, and just didn't bother with the costs of putting one in there.
Ffs bluray is how old? We can't get people to adopt it. How the hell will we get them to adopt 4K bluray (of which there's only a handful of 4K-master movies available).
Yep, people are desperate to buy $2000 4K TVs to keep up with the joneses.
But are still watching TV (mostly SD with very little 720p) and DVDs on it, via old-fashioned analog component cables.
Sony said they've looked at the analytics of media playback on the regular PS4 over the years and people barely ever use it for BluRays, but a surprising amount use streaming services.
PS4 Pro can stream UHD content, and it seems the better option compared to buying 4k Blurays from the limited range.Not to mention having a UHD Bluray drive would increase the production cost of the console.
The increased cost would be minimal, look how cheap the Xbox one s is.
If it was an Apple product people would applaud them for not having it and only offering streaming.
I have the PS4 Pro and will say I hate it doesn't have the option. I stream 4K content (am on NBN) but like to own physical copies of movies and television shows I re-watch.
I've got a massive pile of BRD movies, well over 150 that are gathering dust as I simply don't use them. Streaming is much more convenient, I think it would have been better with a UHD drive but then again if they offered them with and without at difference prices I'd go for the cheaper option.