Noticed the MyRepublic deal on the front page got a bunch of upvotes. However, many of the comments inside the thread expressed doubt about the roll out and the service that would be delivered when the rollout was completed.
Would anyone be keen for an AMA from NBN Co? I know a few people who work there in PR, Marketing and Product.
[edit] if you are keen, post your questions below.
You must live in the outer suburbs or Telstra made such a mess of the copper that NBN don't want to touch it yet.
they really have made a mess! i am right at the end - 6 km from the exchange and speeds are painfully slow
Can you get wireless broadband reception from the likes of Vivid Internet ? Ditched my ADSL & landline altogether for the better.
Pass this message to them and the federal gummint.
Why am I not getting NBN when I live 15 minutes away from the Sydney CBD?
I've had 100 Mbps/1.5 Mbps internet for the past 5 years.
HFC cable sucks.
I'll just keep avoiding taxes since you incapable people can't give us decent upload speeds. Spending $100 billion on fighter jets and submarines made by foreign countries isn't going to grow our economy.
Tell them to put nuclear armed US and British submarines and destroyers along our north coast and be done with it.
What was I talking about again? Oh yeah, fk this country and its shit internet speeds.
Another thing, I have access to over 10,000 CPU cores and NVIDIA QUadro beasts that are used to process big, juicy, chunky, fat, novel data and I Can't even upload any of it when I am at home.
Even if you hate the Labor government, vote them in so our kids don't have to suffer through this pathetic bunch of muslim-hating, gay-bashing, racist bunch of catholic nutjobs in the Liberal government and their pet goats in the National party.
AFter they give us Fibre to the premise, do whatever the hell you want. Vote Liberal, Labor, One Nation, Pirate Party, Greens etc.
Why do people complain about cable? What's wrong with 100Mbps?
The upload speed is still 1.5 Mbps. The download speed can drop to as low as 1 Mbps during peak time when thousands of people are trying to access data through the same cable network.
Well my download speed is 1.5Mbps, but I didn't realise it gets that congested.
I'm on cable and I definitely get much faster speeds than 1.5Mbps up during peak times.
I'm not going to re-post my speedtest, as I'm sure it will just piss people off, make people jealous, etc. and divert attention away from my point that cable can have faster than 1.5Mbps up speeds in the real world.
If you don't believe me, send me a PM and I can give you a real-time speedtest.
100/1.5 Mbps doesn't sound like nbn cable…?
From what I can see googling the current nbn cable offering, this does not exist? Anyone else on nbn cable can comment?
what speed are you getting?
curious because I'm on ADSL2 currently and last time I check my area was due for the HFC nbn cable…
I agree with Savas. There are so many suburbs that already have good internet speeds yet they are all getting nbn first
Also how come all the cheaper suburbs are getting it first and the pricier ones later?
We pay more tax and contribute more to the economy. Now shush. I rather give internet to a bunch of middle-class people who can support their businesses and create jobs than a bunch of bums who want to pwn noobs in League of Legends or Counter-Strike.
No one in Australia has good internet speeds unless they're on the NBN or work for a large company. Cable sucks. Having good download speeds on cable gets old when you have to bear with shithole upload speeds.
You have a fair point, however, 1.8 mbps is not an acceptable speed. Cant even stream youtube above 360p, i can completely forget about streaming services like netflix.
I still want to see ALL of Australia get good internet. I just think we should start where it's needed the most. It should grow like a web from the city centres while creating wireless zones for the rural peoples.
@niner:
imo first priority should always be where the copper cables are the worst. The businesses still had internet regardless and they still operated fine beforehand
rural areas are the LAST the get nbn. They get the vivid wireless spectrum and the new stuff they are rolling out with hot air balloons that float in the sky providing wireless broadbrand
rural areas are the LAST the get nbn.
The cost is simply astronomical to roll out cables in outback Australia. It's just not feasible. We can roll out 100 km of cable to service tens of thousands of people in the suburbs as opposed to 100 people in the outback.
@hmtk:
As they are now re-using the copper cables, doing the worst areas first goes against the faster cheaper mantra.
The only benefit in using the existing infrastructure is if they can manage to get nbn out there much faster than with FTTP, because FTTP is cheaper to operate and delivers at lest an order of magnitude more service.
So the delivery order should be easiest, cheapest first. Remember that they are engineering to a cheap standard not a good standard.
NBN = Needlessly Botched Network.
I have a question, why are they wasting billions of dollars on fixed cabling when wireless networks are already exceeding and will soon do so substantially what NBN might offer in the future to those who get it before the whole project is dropped as an enormous waste of money?
I'd write down a response here to all of the typical arguments I hear against wireless but this is probably going to get negged out of existance anyway because for some bizzare reason people want an expensive, slow, inflexible, congested fixed service for their portable laptop, mobile and tablet
Wireless networks ARE NOT faster than fixed services and they never will due to the laws of physics. Not sure where you got your info from but it's wrong.
Really, that's odd because my mobile phone on the 4G network gets 60Mbit / sec on a speed test yet my DSL service only gets 18Mbit. I'm not a mathematician but last time I checked 18Mbit is less than 60Mbit.
Using your example's logic, my phone gets 12Mbps and my home fixed line gets 120Mbps. Who's right now?
If everyone was using 4G you'd be getting much less than 60Mbit, we're talking <1Mbit. Wired networks are much faster obviously excluding adsl. Fibre as an example has 'infinite' speed and is only limited by the speed of technology we have.
Today fibre can get 255Tbps. Quick google search says 5G Internet which we don't even have yet will be around 1Gbps. Note that's in perfect lab conditions and in the real world you'd have weather, buildings, distance, among other factors to deal with, not to mention there'd be hundreds or even thousands of people sharing that bandwidth with you. Now I'm not a professional mathematician either but 255Tbps is a hell of a lot faster than 1Gbps. ~255,000 times faster!
Tldr: wireless is slower and always will be.
King regards,
me.
(Mathematician in training.)
@vox: So you're comparing a theoretical maximum of a physical medium (not even the current application of that medium) against a theoretical over saturated and under supplied wireless network (because some idiot is pissing money away that you would otherwise be upgrading your infrastructure with on fixed services) using a slow device? Seems legit.
How about your precious NBN fibre only currently offers 100mbit, not 255Tbs. Contention ratios are a thing on all mediums, cabled or wireless, you only need to read the thousands of complaints on forums (even here on OzB) about people getting substantially under the 100Mbit they were 'promised'. You realise of course that even something as simple as too severe a curve in a fibre cable can cause significant limitations in its maximum speed let alone the slightest amount of damage (and the kilometers of cable that needs to be dug up should that occur). Enjoy your underwhelming speed if you're lucky in 4 years time and also enjoy the argument with your ISP when they indicate there is a kink in the cable that's going to cost $18,000 to remediate that stops you upgrading to the speed 5G networks will offer next year.
tl;dr I've already stated my wireless, on a 2 year old phone, is faster than my fixed cable service and very shortly (the next 18 months) will be getting significantly faster than the fibre cable they were going to waste billions of my tax dollars on running down my street. You're welcome to your NBN, I'll chuckle at you complaining of your slow download once 5G rolls out, I assume I'll see you at the polls voting for whatever political party is promising to spend billions of dollars over dozens of years trying to keep up with what the commercially viable companies have already done.
@unique452: You realise that if everyone used these 5G networks as an alternative to the current NBN, even if we invested billions in it to create thousands more eyesore towers, it would get incredibly congested come peak time. There is simply not enough radio spectrum to allow wireless to replace fixed networks.
I'm not arguing about the trainwreck that is the NBN and the 100Mbps speeds that they offer or the congestion people suffer due to CVC pricing, I'm telling you the government investing billions into wireless would be a disaster. It is not faster than wired services and would be a hell of a lot more expensive to upgrade in the future.
Lastly, the fact that your 2 year old phone is faster than your fixed service doesn't mean a damn thing. Stop suggesting it means anything. Abbott already suggested a wireless NBN all the way back in 2010. If it was a better option than fixed services, don't you think the Liberals would have chosen wireless tech instead? They're clearly no strangers to ruining modifying national infrastructure projects.
I'd suggest you have a read of https://goo.gl/Y933jI and https://goo.gl/N80ns0
what the government should have done, is regulate the wireless industry and make the larger data plans actually affordable (as the infrastructure is already in place), and roll out nbn when they can..
Back to superklue's request — why would someone from NBN want to do an AMA here to face disdain already in this thread and potential public grilling?
Agree with scotty
NBNCo barely front the media, I doubt they'll front an anonymous online forum. Either they'll pick and choose what questions they answer, or it will be filled with so much 'fluff', it'll come across like marketing.
Yes please for an AMA.
LOL no way that's happening - NBNCo marketing have all drunk the koolaid. They'll tell you what they've been ordered to say.
NBN Co has been specifically set up to be excluded from the Commonwealth Freedom of Information Act. They have an overly secretive culture within the organisation and have unnecessary confidentiality agreements with councils, developers and other government agencies to protect their so-called "confidential" information.
Why do areas that already have good internet get it before areas that have shit ADSL?