I Want To Like Windows 10 But It Is Really Annoying Enough To Go Back To 7.

Diji1 on 29/10/2016 - 17:02
Last edited 29/10/2016 - 20:14 by 1 other user

I installed Windows 10 3 months ago and I really want to like it - except for the following annoying problems that make my computer unuseable:

1) From the time I installed it to now my computer has been unsuitable to use as an audio player because Windows 10 continuously stops the playback to do … who knows - anyhow it's extremely annoying to have constantly pausing music. No problems with any other media files, just audio and it happens regardless of software. I have tried a gazillion fixes for this, nothing works..

2) Recently: the Start Menu randomly decides what shortcuts it will show with no rhyme or reason. Haven't counted but it seems like 50% of my applications are affected by this. Bonus annoyance: of the shortcuts that it decides are OK to show in the start menu some of them are white (no icon) and don't work. Read about fixes for this, haven't attempted.

3) More recently: boot to Windows login screen which does nothing when you press key or mouse so you cannot enter password. Reboot and it works properly - sometimes, the login screwup happens reguarly now.

4) Yesterday: I rearranged SATA cables in my case and hence they went into the motherboard in different ports to before. Gott in Himmel I have NFI why what happened next happened …

After plugging in cables I set the correct partition to boot from in BIOS and turned on pooter. It went to Windows 10 logo as normal … and did nothing else. I rebooted a few times, same thing. So after swearing etc. I unplugged SATA cables except Windows system SSD and two others and it booted to a recovery screen that basically said "You cannot do anything else unless you have Windows 10 installation media". Unplugged the rest of SATA cables EXCEPT the Windows SSD in - it booted normally. Plugged in all SATA cables - it boots normally.

Well I happened to reboot again and the login didn't work except this time it spent ages on "welcome" message with the spinny dots and froze. Since then it's been successfully logging in about 50% of the time with the login process stopping at various points before ands after entering pass.

It's been randomly deciding whether to load things or not: if it's not then it goes to a non-frozen screen (animations are working, mouse is working) but there's no way out other than resetting as ctrl+alt+del doesn't work. This happened to newly installed Fallout 4 and i assumed it was a game problem. But then it happened to Dirt Rally which has been a rock solid stable game. The problem got more and more frequent throughout today. Often it goes to a black screen and there are many reports of this being a Windows 10 problem. Everytime I have to reset: i ran chkdsk and it did it there: screen animations working, no response other than hard resetting.

Why can Windows 10 not handle a SATA cable changing ports?

Pooter works fine if it boots and decides to load something though :p

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Comments

  • PVA on 29/10/2016 - 17:11
    +21

    I have never moved cables around as I have a laptop.
    I have never had any of the problems you say, never. Seems like your install is corrupt, do a reinstall.

      • PVA on 29/10/2016 - 17:22
        +4

        I am guessing so, something went wrong with the upgrade.
        what you are saying is not normal for win10 at all.
        I went from win8.1 to 10 no problems but I am sure there are people like you that have.
        I use win7 at work, win10 at home - they are similar to be honest but I would not go back from 10. (win 8 was awful, 8.1 a tiny bit better)

        • Diji1 on 29/10/2016 - 20:11
          +1

          There was no upgrade. Clean installation.

        • Cheeper on 31/10/2016 - 01:39
          +3

          @Diji1:
          … and that is the only way to do it too..

      • lawyerz on 30/10/2016 - 20:46
        +2

        I installed Win 10 on my laptop from Win 8.1, as well as my desktop from Win 7. I too had no issues with Win 10. My advice is also to do a full reformat and reinstall, especially since OP said it was a clean installation.

        The change is is the installation of a new windows, there's no reason to suspect a hardware issue if it has been working fine under Win 7.

      • montorola on 30/10/2016 - 23:55
        +10

        Dude, do you realise how arrogant you sound?

        He gave a valid answer, it could possibly be a corrupt version of windows that could be solved by formatting and reinstalling windows, it's worked for me before for many things.

        Time to lose the arrogance I think - you go and pick out other people's posts and then proceed to not even offer a solution? Pathetic.

        • Jackson on 31/10/2016 - 00:23
          +1

          It's funny though because this is the lazy answer that every two bit computer shop tells you they will do to fix your computer, but I guess there's a reason for that, because it fixes many problems in the minimum amount of time. At the end of the day you can't blame people for doing that, but it doesn't say a lot for Windows in general.

          In case anyone's counting, I do use 10 and I wouldn't go back to 8 or 7, but I am thinking of reverting to some flavour of Linux

        • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2016 - 19:29
          +1

          @Jackson: You have to think of reloads as your friend and structure your data accordingly so that your personal files aren't on the main hard drive. I try to do it with windows and especially Linux.

        • Jackson on 31/10/2016 - 23:49

          @voolish: yeah I used to and I guess I still do, but I spend a lot less recreational time in one the computer these days, when you consider tablets and phones, mainly the latter. I don't have a lot of issues and don't use desktops or chop and change hardware so I have been able to get through relatively unscathed lately

  • fruit on 29/10/2016 - 17:29
    +13

    Gott in Himmel I have NFI why what happened next happened …

    English please?

    I suspect your RAM is bad or your HDD is dying.

    Download http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ and boot it.

    Run one of the memory diagnostic tools like Memtest86+ and one of the HDD tools.

    You can also run Windows memory diagnostics from Windows but I have no idea where it is on Windows 10 I'm sick of playing the hide everything game with MS.
    You can also download HDD tools from your HDD/SSD manufacture to run in Windows.

    Changing SATA port won't affect Windows. I've even taken a drive from one case and booted it in another with a different mobo.

    • Diji1 on 29/10/2016 - 20:14
      -1

      I suspect your RAM is bad or your HDD is dying.

      Yes that's a possibility however the fact that it keeps crashing with zero error messages, it happens when the same process is occurring (login, games) and that others have the same types of crash makes me think otherwise. I guess I'll find out after I do a clean installation tomorrow oh joy /o.

      • fruit on 29/10/2016 - 22:00
        +1

        I had a bad hdd always cause errors when at login when using Ubuntu.
        Checked the SMART of the HDD, errors like crazy!

      • Jackson on 31/10/2016 - 00:33
        +1

        If it helps at all I have had crashes with no error message from video issues, particularly when Windows was changing from the on chip Intel video to the Radeon on a laptop I had which had a faulty Radeon. Having said that it sounds nothing like your issue. As other have mentioned the hard drive may be the culprit, or maybe the bios/uefi isn't getting along with it for some reason. Then there's always heat and power, maybe due to some issue with one of those a fault has developed in a component.

        If I was troubleshooting this machine I would be isolation testing to narrow down which components have issues. It sounds like you have a lot of stuff plugged into it, so spending some time doing this would be worth it along with reinstalling.

      • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2016 - 08:10

        That's the problem with bad RAM is that the problems it causes are 100% unpredictable and random from system to system, although sometimes they same kind of problem happens again on the same system, depending on the error is. It's like if a small chunk of your brain went bad and you didn't know it… who knows what function that area happens to handle, until you notice the problem, if you even notice the problem. Your issues definitely sound hardware related to me.

      • kasp on 31/10/2016 - 16:06

        Hardware crashes rarely give error messages as the hardware is faulting so the software can't do anything. If it is software you are far more likely to et an error message.

    • Gronk on 31/10/2016 - 12:17

      This… as soon as you mentioned intermittent freezing the first thing that came to mind was dodgy RAM stick(s) - but, I've also seen cases where the problem is caused by a seemingly unrelated other piece of hardware.

      Example - a month or so ago, I spent about a week exorcising similar demons from my Nephew's computer, for him it would freeze randomly any time after displaying the windows logo, sometimes he'd get 10 or so minutes of desktop interaction, sometimes it'd freeze before he could enter his login details. Invested some time playing component switcheroo and it turned out that the issue was his (damaged) PCI wifi card - somehow he'd managed to break both antenna connections clean off the board, once that was removed it was rock solid.

    • Hahuh on 31/10/2016 - 15:03

      No need windows has that built in. Type windows memory and click the tool that shows up

      • fruit on 31/10/2016 - 17:56

        You didn't read the whole of my comment did you?

  • ozhunter on 29/10/2016 - 17:47
    1. Windows Media Player or Groove Music? Try using the other one, both working fine for me.
    2. Settings/Personalization/Start You can disable it showing new or most used apps.
    3. Is this using bootcamp? Happens to me on my mbp but no problems on my desktop.
    • Diji1 on 29/10/2016 - 20:16

      1) First thing done to fix it - no effect.

      2) I think you are misunderstanding: the start menu is randomly not showing things everywhere such as All Apps. Of the apps that are there icons dissappear.

      3) Nope.

      • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2016 - 19:33

        Sounds like a virus or a registry "optimiser" to me. I'd check your hdd and memory first though as its best to rule out then do a reload to save your time.

  • tebbybabes on 29/10/2016 - 17:48
    +1

    I feel your pain. I too was very leery of having windows 10 on my main machine even though the rest of the family's machines are running it. One came with it and another was an upgrade.

    I held off upgrading mine until the very last weeks.

    Happily enough, my upgrade went off without a hitch and I was quite impressed. Looked it up, and while a lot of people were having problems, far more people were having the pain free upgrade I experienced. Considering I've experienced in-place OS upgrades for as far back as I can remember and hated each and every one of them - I was very very impressed.

    Just wanted to share that it's not all horror stories - even though I was FULLY EXPECTING IT TO BE.

    P.S.
    2 months later, I eventually did a clean install anyway but not because of the OS screwing up. I just feel like doing that once in a while.

    PPS
    I almost forgot to mention, quite a few folks have had success with that reset thing that windows 10 has. Apparently, it can be set to behave like a clean install.

    • Diji1 on 29/10/2016 - 20:17

      Yeah I'll try that, never used it before. Presumably it will have some semblance of former applications etc. if it works.

  • tonyjzx on 29/10/2016 - 17:53
    +5

    Yep. Win10 is only used on play machines.

    I do love how streamlined Win7 is… it boots up to the desktop, classic mode, no mess, no news, no stocks, no windows store, no pushing candy crush to my start menu.

    I have had reasonably good experiences with Win10 in that I dedicate a new machine to it and I dont do too much to them. But I have to as I had some stuff I use on the UWP.

    • kawinuyo on 31/10/2016 - 08:36

      I loved windows 7 too, so I have personalised my windows 10 to look like it is still windows 7. Was the only way I would use it.

  • OverburdenedWarrior on 29/10/2016 - 18:44

    Haven't had any issues nearly that bad. I'd recommend a fresh install using the Media Creation Tool.

    If you want to alleviate the login issue, you can have windows automatically sign you in by going to run and typing netplwiz, selecting your account and unticking the box that says 'all users must enter a username and password to use this computer'. It'll prompt you for the password, but once you take care of that should automatically sign you in. (Do a restart, I've had it fail on the first attempt after this and then work every time after - just Windows 10 for you.)

    • terrys on 30/10/2016 - 09:09
      -3

      "you can have windows automatically sign you in"
      In other advice, you can save a little fuel if you have drum rear brakes on an automatic by removing the trailing shoes as you don't have the drag of and annoying need to unset the handbrake.
      If you imagine that with an OS that insists on re-installing ads for commercial software on my start menu, 'losing' links to non-Microsoft programs, turning on wi-fi and connecting to any local open wi-fi link 'to check for paid wi-fi connection' after being told not to connect to open wi-fis in earlier menu iterations I would give it cart blanche to shut-down then reset any time it or any malware it had silently downloaded found it convenient, I'd suggest you re-consider your software security knowledge and protocols.

      • OverburdenedWarrior on 30/10/2016 - 11:03

        The settings you're referencing, especially the one for automatically connecting to open Wi-Fi, reset themselves during the Anniversary update for many people, myself included.

        As for the other, you make a good point - but a keen eye on security before things get to that can make all the difference, otherwise there'll be no difference to how the malware would spread. (either automatically because I've done the above, or upon next sign-in for our blissfully unaware hypothetical user.)

        At the end of the day, Windows 7 is still supported for a few years to come, but without any cause for alarm just yet I think I'm gonna stay where I am.

  • scrimshaw on 29/10/2016 - 19:14
    -1

    I have Windows 7-ified my Win10 experience using Start Is Back

    Go ahead and buy yourself a copy right away ($2.99). This hands down is the best classic start menu you can get (i have tried others)

    As for your booting issues, have you checked your mobo's boot priority and see if the HDD with Windows has been set to highest priority in the list? As well as keeping your motherboards SATA controller drivers updated. Some motherboards have more than one sata driver chip or capability and you will need to find and install the correct one for all of your mobo's features to work.

    I also agree that a clean install is the best way to fix most problems. IF you have done a in-place upgrade from Win7, you'll get a very buggy Windows experience, with shortcuts that don't work and file associations that are incorrect. One of the weirdest bugs I got was the apparent existence of Windows 7 sidebar gadgets that could still be accessed with the context menu.

    • Diji1 on 29/10/2016 - 20:10

      Oh no I never do an upgrade.

    • fruit on 29/10/2016 - 22:04
      +1

      https://ninite.com/classicstart/

      Free!

      • scrimshaw on 29/10/2016 - 22:06

        tried that, still rate it beneath Start is back.

        • fruit on 29/10/2016 - 22:07

          Cool, will have to check it out, I really like classic start.

  • bjdchwr on 29/10/2016 - 19:52

    I would think that you need to change your BIOS settings for the booting sequence etc.

    Some of the motherboard cannot handle EFI boot very well so if you swap the port, it may misbehave. You may grab a BIOS update from your manufacturer.

    PS: you can come back to WIN 10 at any time providing you use the same hardware.

  • Axelstrife on 29/10/2016 - 20:08
    -1

    Definitely corrupts install or something
    windows 10 for me works absolutely perfect except for one minor thing which is in task manager it doesn't tell me the % of network being used but it does tell me in mbps how much each program is using.

    definitely the best operating system ive ever used, no different then windows 7 other then it's faster in every way.

    reinstall windows 10

  • MiniMoo on 30/10/2016 - 05:59

    3) More recently: boot to Windows login screen which does nothing when you press key or mouse so you cannot enter password. Reboot and it works properly - sometimes, the login screwup happens reguarly now.

    In the last days of the free Win 10 upgrade I built a new PC and upgraded from Win 7 to 10, then to Win 10 Anniversary Update when it came out a few days/weeks(?) later. After 1 of the upgrades (I think to Anniversary?) I was having that issue. At the time I found quite a lot of people posting with this same issue, with no resolution. Tried unplugging USB devices, changed mouse/keyboard. In the end I wiped and clean installed Win 10 Anniversary to fix it. Probably was a driver issue or a buggy Windows Update which was then fixed with a later Update, but I don't know for sure.

    I know what you mean by wanting to like it, but the UI/UX/Start Menu is pretty terrible compared to Win 7. It runs fast and smooth though.

  • arceye on 30/10/2016 - 11:05

    I've used laptop's for the last 10yrs and my last one a M18x Alienware R1 was the most stable system I've ever had until it started frying gpus, anywho I about 5yrs out of it before 3wks ago upgrading to a MSI GT72VR 6RE which for the first week was a sensational piece of kit and really had me wondering what all the hubbub about windows 10 was about, I initially found it easy to navigate and stable. So last Tuesday with afew hours to kill I thought I'd fire it up and bash diablo for afew hours and that's wheel it all went wrong. I noticed that it needed an update so I click update and wait and wait and wait, just under 4hrs it took. By this time I'd rearranged the rest of the day so I could still get into diablo. Fire up the game and it sounds terrible, very tinny awful sound coming from the speakers and spend the rest of the day-week trying to fix it. Uninstall windows 10 driver's, install windows 8.1 driver, reboot and in the startup it re finds windows 10 driver, so hide the update delete windows 10 driver's reinstall windows 8.1 driver and reboot and the thing still manages to find the windows 10 driver. I have one try left before taking it back to MSI which really isn't there problem but what else can I do.

    • freakatronic on 31/10/2016 - 16:55

      Interesting. I have the same model and had the same problem yesterday after that awful anniversary update. Tinny, cracked up sound no matter the volume level. I solved it by uninstalling Nahamic. I hope that helps you.

      • arceye on 04/11/2016 - 09:24

        Yes, did the same thing and problem solved. I posted the problem on YouTube and an American guy told me the fix, he also said to reinstall the latest version of Nahimic after after deleting it but I haven't bothered with it yet.
        Another issue I discovered yesterday was how slow it loads web pages. I was looking at Gumtree on chrome and found it would only load the pictures for the ads when I scrolled down the page the pictures wouldn't load until I had a full page of unloaded pictures, if makes sense. I'm running 100/40 ftth nbn so the internet isn't the issue. It runs online games effortlessly but I do get kicked off Diablo after an hour for inactivity which is frustrating.

  • evp on 30/10/2016 - 11:12

    I went back to Windows 8 after suffering through 6 months of the Administrator account crap and never looked back!

    • Diji1 on 30/10/2016 - 13:47
      -3

      That is there to stop malicious applications from ruining on your administrator level account which can screw the pooter up in many ways. Malicious these days often means stealing your money or computer resources.

  • brotherfranciz on 30/10/2016 - 12:29
    +7

    The annoying thing about Win10 for me is the auto-updates. I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but you can't set it to manual update!

    The only legitimate option you have is setting 'active hours', which can only be a maximum 12-hour time frame (I intentionally used the word 'legitimate' because you can mess with the registry if you are on Win10Pro to bypass, although I have read that even editing the registry may not work anymore…).

    The reason why this is annoying is that I have set other things to run during my inactive hours (backups, scans, game updates, downloads, World Community Grid, etc.), in the same time frame when Windows decides to update and reboot at a random unannounced time - Win10 is so persistent and relentless that it kills tasks and crashes programs just so that it can forcibly update and reboot!

    • Diji1 on 30/10/2016 - 13:43
      +3

      Agreed that is a terrible choice - especially since multiple updates have caused major problems for many users.

      Ms model seems to be test windows on millions of non business users before giving the fixed updates to Enterprise users.

    • GUYANDSON on 31/10/2016 - 17:37
      +1

      If you're on wifi, set your connection to metered and it'll stop the auto updating, not sure if you can do that with wired connctions. You can also get it around it by turning on quiet hours in the notification panel but win10 seems to ignore it on first boot, fine once you switch quiet hours off/on again.

      I work odd orders so use my computer at odd times, changing active hours doesn't achieve much. It's (profanity) ridiculous that my internet gets throttled for an hour or two whenever I actually want to go and use it. Really, really dumb design by MS.

    • shalala on 31/10/2016 - 20:35

      To stop Windows update, disable the windows update service. Worked for me in the last few months!

    • Online Bathroomware on 01/11/2016 - 09:36

      Follow this guide to disable windows updates. Just note that you will need to re-enable the service in order to update in future if you want to do so.
      http://www.thewindowsclub.com/turn-off-windows-update-in-win…

  • Diji1 on 30/10/2016 - 13:56
    -2

    Reinstalled windows and I'm installing fallout to play for a bit to try and confirm the Gotta in Himmel issues are gone. Always a bit difficult to confirm something no longer happens heh.

    BTW… For all the people saying "this is a once off" I found many people with every issue except point 4)

    However point 4) did appear weirdly like 'black screen of death' issue that people have. Sometimes it would just black screen with mouse cursor but other times same thing shoreward to happen in games and logins hence my test.

    EDIT: restarted numerous times and no issue so I think it's presumably gone and it wasn't a hardware issue.

    Touch wood, Windows hasnt finished updating :p

    • johnno07 on 30/10/2016 - 16:44

      Gotta in Himmel issues

      What the heck are they?

  • HeWhoKnows on 30/10/2016 - 14:49

    Lots of good suggestions here and many quite valid.
    As a PC technician may I suggest the following to summise what has been suggested here.
    1. Back up all your data to an external drive
    2. Check that all drivers have installed properly - particularly your display driver!
    3. Do a thorough Hard disk analysis to confirm its not your hard disk. Use CrystalDiskInfo, HD Tune and Easeus partition manager, all of which are free utilities. Also get the HDD diagnostic program for your specific hard disk.
    4. Do a RAM test as well
    5. Do a thorough wipe of your hard disk using the HDD diagnostic program for your hard disk dont just do a quick format. Then do a clean install of Windows 10. Your Win 10 licence is attached to your PC so Win 10 will be automatically activated after the installation.

    99% you wont have any problems after this. If you do, then its some other hardware causing the problem such as your video card.
    Sorry, cant be more specific. This is the only way to fix computer problems.

    • Diji1 on 30/10/2016 - 15:22
      -2

      Think I spoke to soon, just had same computer just sitting there with screen animations (IE. it's not frozen) but doing jackshit.

      I'm pretty much certain it isn't RAM or video as they result in BSOD crashes.

      So I'm guessing it's disk I/O related and it probably just waits for something to load that doesnt… So motherboard or sad is problem I guess at this point.

      I ran Linux off of a USB for a few hours without issue so im thinking its ssd more and more.

  • mattyman on 30/10/2016 - 15:24

    There was/(is???) a bug where Windows 10 would not show all installed applications in the start menu if there were too many for it to handle. I thought it had been fixed but I ended up doing a workaround by installing Start10 by Stardock. The other issues are weird though. Do a fresh install.

  • [Deactivated] on 30/10/2016 - 17:45
    +3

    Approved. Windows 10 sucks more than 8 or 7

  • freddofrog42 on 30/10/2016 - 18:52
    -1

    If you originally had W7 then it implies your hardware is quite old - there could be a multitude of issues just because of that e.g. PSU etc.

    However, it's also worth checking that ALL the correct drivers have been installed. In this case I would look at the HD drivers as some motherboards have extra ports using for example JMicron

    • Diji1 on 30/10/2016 - 18:59
      +3

      Well let me clear that up: it isn't old.

      • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2016 - 19:41

        just a heads up being new out of box doesn't mean it wasn't designed for windows 7 I've heard of some hp models bricking when updated to 10 although I can't confirm that as it could have been a rumour

  • zealmax on 30/10/2016 - 18:58
    +1

    I agree. Go back to Windows 98.

    • Jackson on 31/10/2016 - 08:30
      +1

      3.1 FTW

    • greatlamp on 31/10/2016 - 09:27

      Windows ME Master Race

  • Diji1 on 30/10/2016 - 19:04
    -1

    Installed Windows 10 Enterprise from an old ISO and it installed fine.

    Updated and it cacked itself by freezing on 8% (animation still going), left it for 30 minutes then I

    Installed Windows 10 Enterprise again and it installed fine.

    Updated and it gave me an I/O error this time.

    Installed Windows 10 again and deferred updates. Computer hasn't crashed.

    Kinda annoying how random it is :|

    I'm waiting for the un-upgraded Windows to have a dummy spit the same error (freeze or "black screen of death"") but it isn't doing it :(

    • fruit on 30/10/2016 - 19:36
      +1

      Windows 10 Enterprise from an old ISO

      Could it be the crack? :P

      • Diji1 on 30/10/2016 - 20:42

        Why would i use a crack when there's free trials though?

        • fruit on 31/10/2016 - 12:27

          You can't turn the trial into a full version

      • rentonc on 01/11/2016 - 01:11

        Read the post again. No crack mentioned.

    • scupper on 31/10/2016 - 01:20
      +1

      If it spits the dummy again, try a newly downloaded ISO. There have been so many changes since the first release, hopefully the issue is already resolved in the latest version.

  • smpantsonfire on 30/10/2016 - 20:26
    +2

    I find it easiest to use the start menu and type the first letter or two of the app and hit enter. So much quicker than using the mouse.

    • gimli on 30/10/2016 - 21:46
      +1

      lol the keyboard has always been quicker than the mouse. If you know what to do haha.

  • poohduck on 30/10/2016 - 22:07
    +1

    Initially when I read your first post I thought "not enough ram". How much memory does the system have? I'd want at least 8gb, esp if you have a video chip / card that shares that ram.

    Another possibility is alzheimers. If the hdd has bad blocks, anything stored in those blocks is no longer available. Generally, like alzheimers, once you start losing blocks you continue to lose more blocks. Try running chkdsk http://www.thewindowsclub.com/check-your-hard-disk-for-error…

    • Jackson on 31/10/2016 - 08:31
      +1

      I run it with 2gb on multiple machines and have never encountered the OPs issue

  • Richardc on 30/10/2016 - 23:03
    +2

    try "classic shell" for start menu?

    • jiberz on 30/10/2016 - 23:36

      Not just start menu, enable all their stuff

  • Talonparty on 30/10/2016 - 23:49

    Did you install fresh or upgrade? I had an issue ages ago where I did a fresh install of windows 7 with two hard drives plugged in, I deleted and remade the partitions on the main drive but it installed some system related stuff onto the other drive for some reason. I had issues later when I unplugged that drive and ended up installing it again, this time it was the only drive that was plugged in.

    From then on I never fresh install with more than the main hdd plugged in, maybe it's completely unnecessary but maybe you've experienced a problem related to this Maybe it's a hard coded plug position link that looking for some stupid system files that aren't there anymore.

    It sounds like a corrupt drive or something from your other comments. Download the ultimate boot cd and run some ram/hdd tests if you want to investigate further.

  • centrelink on 31/10/2016 - 00:20

    Get off mah lawn

  • yellowrhino93 on 31/10/2016 - 05:10

    corrupt install, reinstall it. If that doesn't work you probably have faulty hardware but windows 10 has identified it.

  • Godric on 31/10/2016 - 08:07
    +1

    W7 to w10 user here, never had any of the issues listed :3

  • AceIsMe on 31/10/2016 - 08:32

    What HW do you have in the PC? Could be a HW or a driver issue. Even something as simple as a SATA cable. My Win10 OS has been running great, but that's on new HW. Saying that tough, I did encounter a weird issue on the weekend. When I went to shut down the PC, it would just restart and not shut down. I did a system restore to a couple of days earlier before a small MS update was done. That brought everything back to normal. I also totally hate not having an option with the updates. They are just forced onto your PC whenever MS feels like it. They could patch anything they want, whenever they want. If you think about it, it's quite scary and it should be outright illegal.

  • Kempe on 31/10/2016 - 08:49

    I find that win 10 shuts down programmes not used often and makes them very slow to open if you need them
    eg I have all my data on a separate HDD and win 10 on an ssd.
    Say I click on my photo folder, nothing happens for about 5 seconds then I can hear the HDD spinning and windows say "working on it" and after about 10 seconds the folder shows

    Win 10 is fast to boot to desktop but it is still unusable for a while till everything loads but being at desktop makes you think "WOW thats fast"

  • greatlamp on 31/10/2016 - 09:18

    4) SATA issue - this is not a Windows 10 problem, happens with every version of windows.

    I have found if you swap your boot drive between SATA controllers, on the next boot windows won't find it in it's normal port, run a boot repair script, and fk everything up.

    You can swap between ports, but only on the same controller.
    I keep my C disk plugged into the standard intel ports now to avoid the issue

    • Diji1 on 31/10/2016 - 11:34

      Really? I can't recall ever having this issue before heh.

      • Hahuh on 31/10/2016 - 14:58

        I'm pretty sure the boot loader would get installed on the port occupying sata 0 irrespective of the install partition you pick during setup. I think this was prevalent when people installed ssds and the Hdd would have the boot loader installed. That's why it's important to disconnect other storage mediums during setup

  • seven of nine on 31/10/2016 - 09:23
    +1

    Kempe:

    If you keep your files/programs on a separate hard disk that disk will go to "sleep" after certain time of not being used, that is: it will spin down and park its heads. Accessing your files will involve spinning up the drive and getting it ready resulting in some 5-10 sec delay.

    It is normal for virtually all operating systems, not just W10.

    You can adjust when hard disks go to sleep from within "Power Options" control panel, go to "Change plan settings" and then into "Advanced".

  • billy77 on 31/10/2016 - 11:24

    No opinion on first 3, but on 4, changing ports has always been complicated. In the past, hard drives had master, slave jumpers. Now who knows how it works with UEFI and secure boot etc… Regardless, don't change your boot drive port once you installed the OS in that port. Clean install would probably fix some issues. Without knowing what sort of machine you are running, really difficult to actually say something.
    My personal experience was Windows has always been good to me (Since 95). Even Vista, after the first major upgrade… in Win 10 case, I'm inclined to agree with MS saying this is the best Windows to date.

  • Diji1 on 31/10/2016 - 11:37

    So I accidentally updated last night and it seemingly failed again by sitting there appearing to do nothing for a long ass time so I reset and went to bed.

    However i was pleasantly surprised when my pooter turned on and went on updating and is now useable and up to date. Beats me why it worked this time.

    • captobvious on 31/10/2016 - 13:12

      So turning it off and on again fixed it?

      • Diji1 on 31/10/2016 - 14:59
        +1

        Lol

  • Reverse Snorkel on 31/10/2016 - 11:45

    Install Classic Shell.. BAM.. Windows 7..

    • doodo477 on 31/10/2016 - 15:15

      BAM, install windows 7

  • T1OOO on 31/10/2016 - 12:03
    -1

    i tried it a year ago, and loved it!

    the deal breaker was no WMCE (work around now) and my oki 3200n printer dosnt have drivers, wtf?!

    so that was a deal breaker… OH and my WD Live box woudlnt work, the shared floders were not picked up…. i no longer use that, and prefer plex..

    apart from that, it was all awsome… might need to get anotehr printer but i love it so much, so stable and just works. its a colour laser one and lots of ink still,..

    • doodo477 on 31/10/2016 - 15:17

      Probably due to them firing their hardware/software backwards compatibility division when Steve Ballmer took over.

  • mikenazz on 31/10/2016 - 12:03

    Install Start10 - Problem solved.

  • 2025 on 31/10/2016 - 12:58

    Have you tried disabling exclusive mode in audio properties?

  • cyrax83 on 31/10/2016 - 14:28

    Classic Start Menu on Windows 10 = Perfectly fine

  • Hahuh on 31/10/2016 - 14:56
    +1

    I don't like I can't control the updates - how do I know an update won't screw the comp up (my pipo x7 said it was updating then the thing wouldn't turn on. It's fully bricked itself)

    Start Menu after the anniversary update kinda ruined it for me. It was much better before (also don't like the ads)

    Windows spotlight is just ad central

    Could care less with Telemetry collection. If it's not my pc it's my phone. If it's the phone itself it's the network

  • kerms on 31/10/2016 - 15:02

    I have USB 3 issues on both my PC`s under win 10(intermittently stop working and need to restart). Kodi seems to go to sleep and take 30-60 seconds to wake up now. If I wasn't so lazy I would format and go back to windows 7 but…..Lazy

    • Diji1 on 31/10/2016 - 15:04

      Had that as well.

  • mrjames on 31/10/2016 - 17:32
    +1

    I support Windows 10 at work (around 2000 users) and its a (profanity) nightmare when you use it with AD. I'm going to rollback my work laptop to Win 7. Who the (profanity) thought Edge was a good idea? It looks particularly amateurish when it released alongside IE. The enterprise version needs to be completely guttered and started from scratch.

    • StewBalls on 31/10/2016 - 20:36

      Who the hell would deploy such a new & (relatively) immature OS in a corporate environment???

      • mrjames on 31/10/2016 - 21:48
        +1

        Thats the same question I ask everyday.

  • neonlight on 31/10/2016 - 18:10

    You need a new PC

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