This is a good deal for those after extra space in their NAS devices.
10TB Seagate 3.5" 7200rpm IronWolf NAS SATA 6GB/s HDD Pre-Order $709 @ Computer Alliance
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What do you use this for? I work for a large company and we dont even use of 1TB of space on the file server.
These type of drives are SMB oriented. Apart from storing 4k videos and all, what do you store on 10TB drive?
files
4K video storage you will need this type of size drives
I wonder what kind of drives you would have for video editing if you use this for storage only…
Maybe 24/7 FHD surveillance camera recording with a year worth of data? Too lazy for the mathsFrom google search:
A single minute of ProRes UHD file (3840 x 2160) is around 5.3 GB (880 Mbits/s). A single hour of 4K footage is a whopping 318 GB. 25 hours of 4K ProRes equals roughly 7.76 TB
Yup. And Turnbullshit reckons that will work on 12Mbit internet.
You need to learn the difference between LAN/SAN and WAN. Also, between consumer/SOHO and enterprise internet access.
linux ISO's
this really isnt targeted toward large companies as its rare they would purchase individual internal drives
You'll need a lot more then 10TB to store 4k videos..
I have 35TB myself and I don't have one of these…
Some people download Bluray disks and pornography. There is a lot of pornography.
Some people? Who do you think you are fooling. Just say it's you cos everyone is already thinking it. :P
This question always comes up. Trust me, a lot of people have a lot of stuff. For me its dvds, and HD streams of music concerts. Like north of 2000 of them. Stuff I can't easily find and acquire again should I lose it, let alone the time it would take on my bullshit ADSL2 connection if it all was all available in the same place, at the same time, and long enough for me to download.
1TB isn't much so it cant be a very large company, most will use that just in email servers without blinking.
It adds up, I'm using 8TB of 12TB, movies, music, ISOs, vdis, PDFs, pornos (specialised stuff, the tube channels are so homogenised). It all adds up.
In 2020 we will look back at 10TB HDD and laugh as we buy 200TB for $150
going by past history, by the time 2020 hits, these 10tb drives will still not be common place
I was shocked…. I have a bunch of 1TB drives that cost me $100 each 6 years ago, recently discovered they still sell for $70. And I can't believe you can still buy 5400 rpm.
Yes. Even 2TB hard drives are currently still going for around $100.
In 2020? That's 4 years! Also, SSDs will beat HDDs quite soon. Toshibas QLC (with TSV) SSDs are already expected to reach 100tb in the not too distant future; of course for a massive price premium, with lowish endurance.
The massive price premium means SSD's really aren't beating out HDD's for storing much unless massive and/or frequent access speeds are required.
i say past history because in late 2010 2tb sata drives were going for around ~$100 and i thought it would be only a couple years before 4tb drives were as cheap and as common… and here we are in late 2016
I'm shopping for HDDs now, last purchase was 6 years ago, looking at the specs/prices WTF
in 2010 the AUD was close to parity with USD, now its ~75% less depending on foreign exchange rates on creditcards
It's $80 cheaper from Amazon and even then it's costly per TB. I'd rather pick the 8TB WD Red which is over 20% cheaper per TB and may be more reliable. (use eBay deal)
When is the preorder even supposed to get fulfilled? and they say "Only while stocks last!" so it sounds like they're only getting a limited number of these.
May even get the Amazon drive delivered before this one is available.Yep heaps cheaper with delivery included
I got $630 using amazons exchange which isnt the best
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-IronWolf-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST…
Yep, no deal. You can get 2x 6TB HGST NAS drive at that price.
You will probably pay more in Tax and delivery when buying multiples?
Seller? Code?
Still expensive versus the Amazon.de 2x 8tb red in an enclosure for $670. I need that deal again.
Why would you store all your data on one massive hard dtive. Id rather have multiple smaller drives incase something happens I wont lose all my data. Thy shall not place all my
eggsdata in onebaskethard drive.Or better yet, actually have all your data on multiple backups so that a drive failure will not result in any data loss.
So you'd rather not backup your data at all because you have another way of not backing up your data.
I had by ozbargain thinking cap on
Id rather buy multiple cheap HDDs and back them up on multiple cheap HDDs
i'd be more inclined to define 'massive' because 1tb was once 'massive'
Its a NAS Drive, for NAS units, so you get multiple of them in RAID setups
Multiple 10TB Drives in RAID will be better
Id rather have multiple smaller drives incase something happens I wont lose all my data
I'd rather pay a reasonable price for MY data storage.
For $709 you get one of these things 10TB, which is $71 per TB.
The current sweet spot is 3TB drives, and I am buying Toshiba at around $45 per TB.
So, if you have lots of Linux ISOs to archive, this is a very poor value.
If you only have 4 bays you will limit the total capacity with smaller drives. This product isn't for your needs
If you only have 4 bays you will limit the total capacity with smaller drives.
You realise the other alternative is simply to buy a better storage device?
My smallest storage array has 8 bays, however I have many others.
Maybe in some cases, but there are a lot of reasons people would prefer to purely upgrade disks rather than the entire NAS appliance/NAS server.
@stonkered:
I suppose there probably are some reasons to simply upgrade the disks, however you are paying a huge price penalty to do so.Personally I do it a FAR easier way. I just add more disks…. I move stuff that is not being used OUT of the live drive arrays and into HDD archive boxes. If I need to watch (say) The Wiggles, I open the box and pop the drive into a HotSwap bay.
In this way, I don't need to buy new NAS devices, and I don't need to pay double the going rate (per TB) in order to upgrade.
For example, say I have 3TB and I want 6TB… I don't go and buy a 6TB drive (> $300) - I simply buy one 3TB at $120, since I already own the other 3TB.
Then again, unlike others here I don't fart arse around with data storage. I have heaps more spare bays ready to slot drives into. I just bought another 12 bays worth of Lian Li hotswaps last week, so that adds 4 bays each into the front of 3 machines.
I mean truly - if you are collecting stuff that requires you to buy 10TB drives, you need to stop and take stock of what you are doing. Paying $2800 for a few drives to get (effectively) 30TB in a RAID inside a 4-bay storage NAS is absolute f***ing madness.
Yeah there are sweet spots, and I agree these disks don't fall in it. I wouldn't buy them either.
But with your 3 TB vs 6TB example, I'd pay the $60 premium and go 6 TB, I don't look at it purely from $ per TB. I'd much rather pay the extra and only run 1 drive instead of 2, 2 instead of 4, 4 instead of 8…
I don't want 8 and 12 bays devices sitting around and I for sure don't want my wife and kids hot swapping disks to access media.
I've got everything virtualized and consolidated to one server now, if I need more storage, there is a certain premium I'll pay to retain this setup, of course there is also a point that it won't be ecomomically practical and I'll just build a new machine.
But with your 3 TB vs 6TB example, I'd pay the $60 premium and go 6 TB, I don't look at it purely from $ per TB.
For $60 I would too - however it isn't a $60 premium, it is a $180 premium to go for the 6 TB.
See, in that example you already own the first 3TB, so you only need to pay $120 extra to get up to 6TB. If you pull the 3TB drive, then you pay out $300 to replace it with 6TB.
Therefore, effectively you are paying $100 per TB to gain a tiny 3TB increase if you do it that way. I get the exact same amount of additional storage for just $120. Make sense? So if you need lots and lots of storage, it's costing you an absolute fortune.
I don't want 8 and 12 bays devices sitting around
You already have a single 4 bay device sitting somewhere. It is a NAS or a server, so it is hidden in a cupboard, correct? So, just buy a second one, and place it next to it (or on top). A 4-bay NAS is smaller than a sheet of A4 paper FFS. A 4-bay HDD enclosure is even smaller again.
I for sure don't want my wife and kids hot swapping disks to access media
I bet that not all of your "virtualised" and "consolidated" media is in active use. You are storing archives on there, aren't you? For example, a TV Series that has been watched already?
Once that kind of media has been viewed, it is highly unlikely that it will EVER be looked at again, let alone randomly selected as the thing that needs to be 'instantly accessible' on a whim from the wife.
Sopranos S02E09 "From Where to Eternity" - what's the chances that your family would need that available 24/7? 1 in a million?
- that is the kind of media that I don't have in an active server. It's available… but you have to switch it on and let it boot. Since the drives are only occasionally spun up, they don't wear out either!My HDD archive boxes have 2TB drives full of stuff like the Wiggles, Thomas, Looney Tunes cartoons, Scooby Doo, etc etc etc… my family isn't going to need those sitting in a RAID, would yours?
So, what I am trying to explain is about being smart with storage - not paying thousands for increasingly larger hard drive to attempt to keep your entire life collection on 4 drives. So, clear the shit off the NAS and you will have plenty of space for media you need to make available :-)
where are you buying toshibas please? been looking for them for a while
I bought the last 3TB from Warehouse1, as I was able to add it to an order for ML10v2 and get discounted freight. They are in Melbourne and price is $119
http://www.warehouse1.com.au/epages/shop.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPat…
Cheapest national deal on Staticice is Umart at $125 = $41.66 per TB
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=Toshiba%203…I only use the 2TB and 3TB of this particular model - they are the rebadged Hitachi. Toshibas 4TB and 5TB are a different device, and I have no idea what those are like.
That price :( I could actually use a couple of these.