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  ronnknee on 01/07/2016 - 05:40

  +6

  How does this compare against a generic $3.08 razor? For something that's almost $50 which you can get something similar at 6% of the price, I'm not convinced that it's a deal at all.

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    OzBragain on 01/07/2016 - 07:04

    Someone always wants to troll, was discussed recently here

    I'm not convinced that it's a deal at all

    Then give an example of where you can get the same product cheaper

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      ozy on 01/07/2016 - 07:21

      +2

      No need to answer OP, Ozbragain linked to a previous deals answer to a similar question.

      Basically its the metal its made from that makes it so expensive.
      I've had issues with these myself after storing them for a few months and coming back to rust marks.

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      ronnknee on 01/07/2016 - 08:01

      +5

      It's an honest question; I'm not trying to troll. I really cannot justify spending 15 times more for a metal razor. Does the life of this razor also outperform the generic razor by 15 times?

      Then give an example of where you can get the same product cheaper

      Again, it's whether the particular product is worth it that's in question. This store could have the cheapest price for this particular razor model but does it mean it's a good deal when the generic version with the same function is at 6% of the price?

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        OzBragain on 01/07/2016 - 08:25

        +1

        Why would anyone buy a $900 phone when there are alternatives out there for 6% of the price?

        Replace phone and buy price with any quality product you like, just keep the ridiculous price ratio.

        Genuine question or troll?

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        ronnknee on 01/07/2016 - 09:40

        +2

        @OzBragain:

        Why would anyone buy a $900 phone when there are alternatives out there for 6% of the price?

        Does the $54 phone have similar features/specifications as the $900 phone? Are you comparing apples and with apples or are you the one who's trolling?

        Can you please tell me what extra features/functions that this particular razor have over the generic one that are worth $46 more?

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        crunchyhead on 01/07/2016 - 10:12

        +2

        @OzBragain:
        That's the question I asked when I bought my $40 Huawei Y550 from Hardly’s.
        I have friends who always upgrade to the latest Samsung or apple and do nothing but text or play Candy Crush… $900 for Candy crush? Even my phone can do that and a lot more.

        This handle may have some weight to it and it might even have a nice cutting angle… who knows. But it is just a small lump of metal. It’s not high tech or expensive to manufacture. It costs more than my phone did but it won’t play mp3s while you shave and it can’t even play Candy Crush. (don’t do this while you shave)

        It may be a reasonable shaver handle but for what it is it is way overpriced.

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 10:21

        @ronnknee:

        Cheap razor weight bs this: this is balanced and quite heavy, makes shaving easier and doesn't require any additional pressing.

        Look: this won't have fake chrome peeling off it in 6 months

        Blade hold: one is a loose housing that grabs the blade poorly (usually with one side showing more blade). This one is incredibly stable and almost impossible to disrupt the blade position.

        Could go on all day. If you want quality, it has a price. But don't expect Chinese pot metal and a razor thin level of chrome plating to match up. If you tried one of these you would never touch your $3 razor again.

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 10:58

        +1

        @crunchyhead: I'm thinking of making a video that I can link every time this questions comes up. Showing the design flaws, inconsistencies and general waste of time generic chinese razors are.

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        OzBragain on 01/07/2016 - 14:24

        @ronnknee:

        Does the $54 phone have similar features/specifications as the $900 phone? Are you comparing apples and with apples or are you the one who's trolling?

        Very selective in what you choose to read champ.

        Replace phone and buy price with any quality product you like, just keep the ridiculous price ratio.

        Is a $12 pair of shoes comparable to a $200 pair?

        Is a $6 generic socket set comparable to a $100 branded set?

        Etc, etc.

        Just go and buy a $3 no name razor and let us know how you go in a few months time.

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        ronnknee on 01/07/2016 - 16:29

        +1

        @OzBragain:

        Very selective in what you choose to read champ.

        Funny "champ", that's what I was gonna say about you.

        Can you please tell me what extra features/functions that this particular razor have over the generic one that are worth $46 more?

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        OzBragain on 01/07/2016 - 16:49

        +1

        @ronnknee:

        Can you please tell me what extra features/functions that this particular razor have over the generic one that are worth $46 more?

        Look up and read the link. Even though you're clearly just here to be argumentative others have also taken the time to explain the difference between a quality engineered product that will last decades and a piece of junk that will be binned after 6 months.

        If the concept is too difficult for you to comprehend then go and buy the $3 razor and stop trolling the deal. I'm done wasting my time responding to your inane ramblings.

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      illumination on 01/07/2016 - 10:04

      Depending on the nature of the product, it's not always necessary to find whether you can get the exact same product from somewhere else for cheaper.

      An example of this would be something like buying the generic version of a prescription drug. If you think it's the same (as I do), then there's no point telling me that the brand name for $30 is a bargain because it sells for $50 everywhere else when I can get the generic for $20.

      To answer your other question about buying $900 phones instead of a $300 phone, depending on the individual this may still hold true (but we're not bringing personal preference into the picture).

      I personally don't think any phone is worth $900+. I'm not saying there's no difference between the $300 and $900 phone, just that the $900 ones are not worth it because they do not offer value at $900.

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    ozy on 01/07/2016 - 07:15

    The description for the razor you linked is hilarious!

    OP, you said you'll be sitting in the comments, can you answer ronnknee, i'd like to know the reply to his/her question also.

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    Name on 01/07/2016 - 07:31

    +4

    Check out badger and blade forum. http://www.badgerandblade.com/vb/forum.php

    There is plenty of difference between all types of double edge razors. Weight, build quality, handle grip style, length of handle, angle of head, length the blade will stick out, when you screw the head on you also get different angles on the blade etc. Resulting in easier / harder shaves, more or less aggressive shaves, harder / easier to control razor etc. Different razors perform different on different beards or even length of stuble.

    I've got 4 different razors, a $10 one who knows one, a 1952 Gillette super speed, murkur 39c slant and a EJ DE89L. All shave differently even using the same blade.

    So it's hard to compare this against a generic $3 one unless you have tried it.

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      elcheapoinoz on 01/07/2016 - 08:08

      +2

      you're absolutely right.

      you just won't know until you tried, all my razors feel different.

      There are two things I noticed from my cheap razor (they were $10 instead of $3 back then)
      1)durability, I'm using razors from the 60s or 70s, that have cleaned up really nice… could that be done to a $3 razor?
      2) Weight, for proper shaving technique you need some weight on the DE razors, unlike the cartridge ones, and that weight needs to be balanced properly.
      on a $3 razors, they're trying to save on material, it won't be heavy enough)

      whether these are issues that matter to you, I don't know.. i'd buy a cheapy to see how it goes anyway for $3.. but I would not get started on a cheap razor, as due to the lack of weight, you might never learn the proper technique

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 10:11

        +1

        Thank you. Great explanation

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      [Deactivated] on 02/07/2016 - 01:23

      Badger & Blade are a bunch of pretentious twats.
      I suggest visiting local forums like Paste & Cut.
      Is where I lurk :)

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        Name on 02/07/2016 - 07:20

        Will give it a go. I don't actively post in any. Just read when I'm looking for something new.

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        [Deactivated] on 03/07/2016 - 04:22

        @Trozza:
        Funnily enough, I don't have an account over there either.
        I imagine that others would get more use from the site if they did sign up.

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    NosDan on 01/07/2016 - 09:11

    +2

    because you cant be a hipster and brag about your $3.08 razor while in a coffee shop with your other hipster mates……

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    AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 10:09

    +1

    This compares because not all things are made equal.

    How does a Mazda 3 compare to a 1995 Hyundai excel? They're both cars right? They move and have a stereo? So the
    Mazda 3 must be a terrible deal? No.

    First things first, the performance of this razor vs a $3 is huge. The reason behind that is because there is a massive difference in the slope of the stop bar. Generic $3 always have a gentle slope. This is because it requires more strength from the metal to have a strong slope because it is an engineered weakness that can't survive with soft metal.

    Also, there is a large amount of five on the blade when you load these. I am yet to find a cheap safety razor that can hold a blade completely straight. . I could go on…. But end of the day, value of the deal is down to you.

    Payless shoes sells brand new shoes for half price! Does that mean they're a better shoe? You can't expect to get the same performance and quality from a cheap knock off. I wish you could, that would be great! But it just doesn't exist.

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    jjcf on 01/07/2016 - 10:33

    +3

    Since you seem to be genuinely asking a question and not being a JV-esque douche…I think it's probably a fair question. DE razors, especially non-adjustable/removable-head models, are a simple design. So, without having used this particular generic razor, but having used similar shitty chinese ones, the main differences are going to be:

    (also, some quick research looks like this might be a Silver Tone, which is sold under a ton of names, so my comments are slanted towards that)

    • material: my razors are a) all stainless steel b) chrome plated brass which (as long as the plating in the latter holds) means they will outlive me. It won't rust, it won't snap if I drop it, there are no plastic worm gears or screws or retaining clips to break if I overtighten it. I've been using one of mine at least weekly for like 15 years, never dried it after use, dropped it a whole bunch and it's still in practically new condition. This generic, on the other hand, looks like if it's the silvertone, it's low grade pot metal which rusts quickly with a shoddy elocroplating which flakes off, and some people report getting ones with plastic handles with a steel screw running thought it longways.

    • weight: the material is going to add to the weight, too. Because you let the weight of the razor put the pressure on your skin, rather than pushing it into your face with your hands (like with a mach3 superturbonitrosuperedition), it's actually really important that the whole thing is weighted and balanced right. Otherwise it's going to just suck to shave with.

    • Blade geometry: obv, you can use whatever blades you want. But how the blade actually shaves will depend on how the head is designed, the gaps between comb/blade, the angle of the blade (which controls the agressiveness of the shave), etc.

    • Build: related to material, but also raises it's own issues. Is the blade held securely in the head, or does it constantly come loose because the screw has a bunch of play (potentially slicing the hell out of your face)? Is the blade properly aligned to the edge of the comb? Are the parts in the head tightly fit, or will they vibrate loose when you tap the razor while shaving?

    Broadly speaking, cheap shitty razors will be badly built from subpar materials with dodgy (if any) QC. You will end up with something that doesn't last, shaves badly and needs constant fiddling just to get ready for work.

    Do you have to spend $150 on a customised Merkur Progress or a vintage Gillette Fatboy (the razor they dropped on Nagasaki iirc)? No. Of course not.

    But, given you are going to be saving an absolute assload of money on not buying into the Gillette/Shick marketing machine, is it worth spending a couple of bucks to get something nicely made that works well and will last you the rest of your life? Personally, I'd say yes.

    Fifty bucks is a pretty good price imho.

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      AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 11:01

      Well said. Wet shaving is pretty cheap. The initial cost is where most of the expense lies. Considering these aren't disposal items, I really think it is worth having something decent.

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    AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 12:02

    UPDATE: I have just purchased this razor and will be using it in a video to demonstrate the differences in construction to link on future deals.

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  ca6leguy on 01/07/2016 - 05:41

  The Rolls Royce of razor. Does it connect to the cloud?

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    cnut on 01/07/2016 - 09:10

    Yeah, you can select from one of 1,500 different grooming styles or even program your own. It's remotely operated via the award winning, never-crashing Muhle app and is even compatible with Amazon Echo so you can just say "Alexa, shave mah balls" and it does it all for you.

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    fenrer on 01/07/2016 - 10:20

    +3

    looking at prices of de razors, this thing is not even close to being mid range… more of a golf than a rolls Royce… entry model into a reliable German brand…

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    AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 10:23

    Not even close to a Rolls Royce. This is mid range.

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  reubenb87 on 01/07/2016 - 09:41

  I have been wanting to get a safety razor for awhile, but haven't done much research. I usually let my hair get pretty long before I shave (like >1 week, as I have a beard and just shave underneath it). With my Gillette ones I have to trim to 0 with a trimmer first otherwise it gets clogged up. Would I still have to do the same?

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    jjcf on 01/07/2016 - 10:02

    No. A nice sharp blade and two passes (with the grain, then across the grain) easily handles 2 weeks growth for me when I've been lazy (or on holiday).

    The only thing you need to do is loosen the blade a touch when you rinse it between strokes so that any hair clogging up the blade can slip out.

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    AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 10:13

    +1

    Because it's not a cartridge, the blade always has a an opportunity to hit the hair rather than glide over it. I've even used these to shave off a small beard while on holiday. Works great. You'll need to go over it twice and constantly rinse. But it's 4 times easier than a cartridge.

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      reubenb87 on 01/07/2016 - 12:06

      Thanks for the info, about to pull the trigger. Do you only sell the two types of blades? And the Bluebeards revenge the only ones in stock at the moment?

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 13:16

        Normally, the MUHLE blades are out of stock. But they'll be back next week!

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  cnut on 01/07/2016 - 10:19

  Hey @windupclock what's the difference between this and the Grande one. Or the other R41s. Also can you provide us with a promo for the grande model? If I'm going to fork out $50+ for a shaving product, I want it to sound really fancy. ;)

  Also can you provide some info around the different types of safety razors? Like what's closed and open combs, etc?

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    AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 11:18

    +1

    Lets do it. R4155DISCOUNT, that will give you $7 off the Grande.

    Open Comb: you usually find this on more aggressive razors, great for a really close shave, slightly more chance of cutting yourself but once you learn, it will be fine.

    Closed Comb: not as aggressive, easier to use and more room for error. Don't get as close a shave and you'll have to rinse it more often because there is nowhere for the water to drain compared to an open comb.

    I always recommend closed comb to people with sensitive skin or those new to wet saving. I have a Muhle R89, I use it when I'm in a rush because its so hard to cut myself with.

    Not a huge difference between Muhle r41 Grande and R41. Biggest difference is weight. Grande is heavier and gives more control, No need to apply any pressure at all because it has enough resting weight to do it for you.

    Both razors will last from now till your 100th birthday, the cutting head is near identical, it's more about how they deliver the blade to the skin through weight and how it feels in your hand. Grande feels like pure confidence, this r41 feels pretty much the same but isn't quite as smooth.

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      cnut on 01/07/2016 - 11:24

      Thanks for the reply!

      Sounds like I should go for an R89 though since I do have sensitive skin. Hmmmmmm

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 11:25

        +1

        Want a code?

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 11:58

        +2

        just re-established SHAVERAVEMUHLER89 code for you, that will get you 15% off the R89. '

        May I suggest Muhle Aloe Vera shaving cream for sensitive skin? works a treat.

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        cnut on 01/07/2016 - 12:41

        @windupclock: Thanks! Looking at ordering one a bit later today.

        Thanks for the tip on the shaving cream too. I shall look into that.

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        cnut on 01/07/2016 - 13:41

        @windupclock: Thanks mate. Ordered the shaver - if it works well, I'll grab the cream too (just got some new gel I'm going to try first).

        I realised I didn't order any blades. Do you have a sample one you can chuck in the order or recommend what brand I could buy from the shops?

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 14:13

        +1

        @cnut: wouldn't normally do it, but I'll give you a pack of Bluebeards. That should get you sorted for a few weeks!

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        cnut on 01/07/2016 - 14:37

        +3

        @windupclock: Woohoo! You rock. Cheers mate. That's how you build loyal customers. :D

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 15:17

        @cnut: not a problem! Hope you enjoy it.

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 04/07/2016 - 03:01

        @cnut: hi mate, do you mind if I have your first and last name initials so i can confirm which order to put the blades into. You can private message me if you're more comfortable with that.

        Thanks.

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        cnut on 04/07/2016 - 08:07

        @windupclock: PM sent! Cheers again.

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  cornucopia on 01/07/2016 - 10:28

  -4

  The person who would buy one of these is the same person who would pay >$6000 for a Rolex Submariner watch. Now tell me how the Rolex is superior to my $200 Orient Mako Diver …. don't bother, the answer is basically it isn't, it's all about the cachet of spending more to get less because you CAN, that's what's different, the SPEND, not the product .. :-) .. !! Trolls, form an orderly queue on the right pls ….

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    AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 11:08

    +4

    Have you used a $3 next to a $50 razor? the differences are huge. Quality control, flimsy chrome plating, not enough weight… I could go on.

    Of course there is a law of diminishing returns here, but his thing isn't comparative to a Rolex. The benefits of having a weighty watch, chronograph movement etc have no impact because there is no performance requirement other than telling the time. This is a tool with a physical consequence. And with any tool, the job will get done based on how good the tool is. We are talking about putting a blade up to your face and cutting hair. Small imperfections can have a huge performance impact because everything is operating on small tolerances.

    At the end of the day, Wet shaving is cheap as chips, and a razor like this will last a lifetime. You will still be able to use this razor in 50 years, can't say the same for a Chinese knock off.

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      ronnknee on 01/07/2016 - 12:31

      At the end of the day, Wet shaving is cheap as chips, and a razor like this will last a lifetime. You will still be able to use this razor in 50 years, can't say the same for a Chinese knock off.

      Does that mean you're offering a lifetime/50 years warranty? If that's the case, then it can justify the price.

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 12:34

        No, don;t offer it. But unless you drop it off a cliff of do something intentionally negligent, this thing won't break. Not being made with Chinese pot metal is a good start.

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 12:39

        +1

        The price is justified without it. We've been through this a few times on this thread. But quality of materials, design, weight, brand and performance all completely justify the price of this. This thing lasting a lifetime is just a bonus.

        Try shaving with one, then come back and tell me what a terrible deal it is. Because Unless you've compared it and actually have some substance behind why you think this razor is terrible, I'm done defending it.

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        OzBragain on 01/07/2016 - 14:32

        +6

        @ronnknee:

        Clearly you're not interested in buying the product and are just here to give a very helpful rep a hard time. Sounds like he's starting up a new business, passionate about what he does and best of all, giving OzBargain members random discounts.

        If you don't see value in a quality product at a reduced price just move on.

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        AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 01/07/2016 - 15:23

        @OzBragain: thank you. Appreciate that.

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  kebabs on 01/07/2016 - 21:07

  +2

  lol at those who've never tried a good razor vs the Chinese crap. Cheap Chinese double edge razors will give you nothing but a bloodbath and a patchy beard. If you're going to buy something that's going to last forever, spend good money on it.

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  eskylidder on 02/07/2016 - 13:25

  +1

  Just got off the phone with OP (i think?)

  firstly what great customer service! seriously the guy was on the go and had obviously pulled over to take my car and speak to me for 10 minutes about what suited me.

  +1 would recommend

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    AssociatedShaveRave @ Shave Rave on 02/07/2016 - 19:26

    That was me! Glad you had a good experience and hope you love your new razor!