I booked some Wiggles tickets (Adelaide) and was interested to note that out of three categories "A Reserve" was literally the lowest grade of seats.
We've seen regulators on the warpath of misleading labeling of products (Nurofen etc) but what about services?
Also noticed with hotels (cough Hilton) that "Deluxe" is the lowest grade of room or you can pay more for "Superior", but I can tell you from experience the rooms are literally exactly the same.
Can you give any more examples?
It's either a conserve or a jam.
They are different food products with different requirements of compliance with fruit content.
Jam must be 50% fruit content, always get a jam.
always get a conserve you mean donm't you? I thought conserves required a higher fruit content and a jam could be whatever they put in the jar, lest they jam us conserve, they cannot!
According to this Food Standards Code a fruit jam must be made of at least 40% of the fruit depicted on the label.
I could not find any standard for a fruit conserve.
"Humane" meat. "Cage free" eggs. Dairy "good."
All involve confinement, slaughter and other suffering.
I found the vegan
You don't find vegans, they are first yo let you know about it.
The best way to beat a vegan is through religion
"I worship leaves, can't eat those".
"My religion only allows me to eat meat".
Everybody knows nothing can argue with religion.
Anything involving the extermination of life to fuel your diet.
Don't kill plants and their children.
The only ethical source of energy is photosynthesis. Once you try it you won't go back.
I eat only baby dolphins because it's pretty much the same thing as eating a potato. And if they're fresh from the ocean, you don't have to add salt.
"Life" and "sentience" are different things. Maybe look those words up, or just think about why you cut the grass but not the dog.
Dogs and horses follow humans into battle, serve along side law enforcement and rescue agencies and help people in varying tasks. They (dogs more than horses) are the only creatures who would give up their survival instincts to protect humans.
Granted they have been bred this way but you don't hurt the help. Foxes are pests but dogs are not.
That is why you cut the pig and not the dog, next example please.
I only cut the grass to make sure my landlord (who as a human, ranks higher than grass) doesn't get on my case.
Oh do you use insecticides? Wear wool? Will you use or allow your children access to anti-venin, do you use gelatin or consume food with carmine? I suppose you will refuse future biologic cancer therapies as well then?
Down jackets? Toothpaste? Perfume?
The world is zero sum, just be existing some human and some animal has paid the price for your presence and continued survival. There is no moralizing that away.
@lolbbq: I do what I need to do in order to survive. If I need to protect myself against insects I'll use insecticide. If I need to protect myself against you I'll use an axe or a lawsuit. But I won't use these things unless they are necessary.
Wool is not necessary - there are numerous alternatives.
Gelatin is not necessary - there are numerous alternatives.
Carmine is not necessary - there are numerous alternatives.
Down is not necessary - there are numerous alternatives.
Toothpaste and perfume can be obtained from sources that don't harm sentient beings.
When I need anti-venom or cancer therapies I'll take them as there are no alternatives.
If you google pig IQ you will see all evidence shows they are usually more intelligent (on humano-centric metrics) than dogs. The reason we use one and not the other is largely cultural, not based solely on utility.
The world is not zero sum. Wars don't have to happen if we don't want them to. Animal exploitation doesn't have to happen if we don't want it to. Most violence is unnecessary. But it requires one to think, not just to remain in their own paradigm and make knee-jerk reactions to an ethical prod.
@thevofa: Where does survival become comfort and does comfort take a back seat if there are no alternatives? Although its fair enough where you draw your moralization (i'm not judging).
Pigs have a completely different utility from dogs. Pigs cannot guard and cannot hunt (well obviously because they were selectively bred from wild boar). The boar had less utility to old humans than dogs. If the domestication of dogs were "largely cultural", could you tell me which culture did not utilize the domestic dog?
The world is zero sum and human behavior is motivated by biological imperatives. Resources and opportunities on this planet is finite and limited. We compete to survive. Do you save money? Do you know that the money you saved this week could probably have fed 5 of the poorest people in the world and kept them going far longer (they would still live shorter lives than you though). How would you justify not giving the money to them?
How could you even justify saving money? Are you barely scrapping by, "surviving" as you say and giving away the rest of the resources you do not require to "survive" to others who need them for "survival" as well?
You clearly care about "sentient" animals but do you care more or less for more "sentient" beings (humans).
Do you have some extra space in your house? Will you save one pig by buying it over if the alternative was for it to be slaughtered tomorrow? If you had only a little space in your hall, would death or a clean but slightly cramped condition be preferred?
I do not mind an ethical prod, but only from somebody who deserves to sit on the moral high horse. Somebody who has given back more than they have taken. Or taken nothing at all. However, I do still like to witness a bit of cognitive dissonance once in awhile.
Me? I'm a meat eater and I like the taste. I have decided to reduce my environmental/resource/opportunity impact on the future by having not more than 1 child if any at all. That is at least 60 less developed-country-man-years the planet will have to bear.
@diddy50: Modern day sheep have been selectively bred to grow wool quicker. Prior to this sheep didn't require sheering, but modern sheep who aren't shorn can eventually die from the overproduction of wool, although the process does take 5 years or more. That is my recollection from looking that up some time ago. I believe they are also lead free and asbestos free, but do contain A1.
They (dogs more than horses) are the only creatures who would give up their survival instincts to protect humans.
This is an evolutionary survival instinct, though. It's how domesticated dogs diverged from wolves. Stick with the humans - get fed. Keep human alive - keep getting fed.
@lolbbq: Confine animals, force breeding traits, strip them of varying stimulus or opportunity to evolve and a few thousand years later you get exactly what you wanted. A tame, seemingly dumb creature not good for much other than livestock. On rare occasions though people are reminded or what could have been: http://vault50.com/lulu-pig-played-dead-save-dying-owner/
@johnno07: Good for them though. They thrive as long as humans thrive. If humans die out, they won't exactly die out either.
@wyrmy: Sounds like what humans have been doing for ages eh? Altering the environment to make his or her life more pleasant and comfortable. We selectively breed plants as well and deny them the opportunity to evolve don't we.
It is neither right nor wrong to me because it takes a lot more to be able to get onto that moral high horse.
Oh by the way, didn't a bunch of folk try to do that with actual HUMANS not too long ago?
Beyond the alteration of an actual human group that we all know is "not good". We also selectively breed with each other but social engineering has conditioned us to find that "okay" no? Monogamy, favouring a certain type of mate. Confine each other, limit each other's stimulus and reducing the opportunity to evolve. Sounds familiar? Evolution is the survival of the fittest and the strongest no? We haven't been able to undergo proper evolution since the first civilization and the first laws.
Again, not saying whats right and wrong because I don't really know the definition of right and wrong in this case. I am just a speck in the grand scheme of things.
Individual rights vs group rights vs continued survival of species. How do we balance these things in a zero sum world? I do not judge because it is always a learning experience.
The most moral persons (and the only ones allowed to judge) are so moral that they put everything else in front of their survival/existence.
For everybody else, we just have to come to terms with the fact that we aren't "good" people (no matter how much we like to believe). It is only possible to be good with this sort of lifestyle in a post-scarcity society.
Wars don't have to happen, but they will. We can hope for a perfect ideology, but you don't have to look far to know this will never happen. Countries are built off corruption and war and things you would never dream of. There is no way or not in humanity's existence this will ever change.
It's a nice thought, but will never happen unfortunately, or fortunately, depends on how your world looks like.
200 years ago people could not have imagined a world without human slavery. 100 years ago people could not have imagined women voting. Today many people cannot imagine the normalisation of non-hetero relationships or non-binary gender identity - they will be in for a shock soon enough. Today most people cannot imagine the shunning of gratuitous violence towards nonhumans for trivial reasons such as taste or convenience - their turn to be shocked will come one day too. Maybe not soon, but if we're still here, one day. Maybe one day we'll even do away with wars between ourselves.
but ..but it is RSPCA approved
"Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients" You may end up having only the packaging made in Australia.
This.
I always imagine them dropping a token piece of Australian produce into a massive vat of imports of whatever it is I'm buying with that label. Just so that they can technically qualify.
Haha maybe only the salt is made in Oz.
'Gluten free' on items that never contained gluten in the first place.
For example get 50% off our gluten free ice cream - today only!
That is usualy stating the factory has taken measures to ensure its not contaminated. It actualy has its place.
In factorys with flour based items yes it is. :P floats in the air.
You should get a clue. You clearly have no idea on how food manufacturing works.
@Slippery Fish: Farts also float in the air along with BS theories about gluten being bad for us. Bandwagon mentality with no facts:)
@Slippery Fish: SO, blaming Flour for daring to having gluten in it?
Let's have a war on flour, heck no, straight to the source to keep the conditioned happy, war on wheat.
Conditioning is great for you:/
If you have Coeliac disease then you need to eat a gluten free diet.
Yes, there are many people that claim they need to eat 'gluten free' when in reality they do not. All they did was one day try it and thought they "felt better" and therefore declared themselves to have gluten intolerance. These are the people that call glutena bad thing.
@dbun1: id just like to put it out there that gluten is found in wheat flour, flour particles can float in the air.
Now this is not aimed at dbun, just clicked reply to you. I dont apreciate nobs mesaging me trying to be keyboard warriors, next time get back in your bedroom and play with yourself instead of me… Not happy Jan.
@dbun1: I already do, thank you. You show a lack of maturity by calling people nobs and keyboard warriors. The point gets lost when you resort to childish antics.
Please show me where I said such things.
Your point gets lost when you don't even know what you are talking about, quoting the wrong comment etc etc.
@dbun1: I obviously replied to the wrong person as you can see, thanks for throwing a tantrum though, gave me a good laugh:)
Likewise!
I always get a good laugh when someone tries to roll someone and falls flat on their face hahaha
Gluten is a contaminate?
Look up the broader meaning of contaminate. Anything can be a contaminate. All it means is for something to get into somewhere you don't want it.
It's quite important to know for those unfortunate enough to suffer from coeliac disease
Even though this is an obvious troll, just for those that might be reading that aren't across all of this, people with coeliac disease require a completely gluten free diet. It's an autoimmune disease. There are a lot of people that choose a gluten free lifestyle for whatever reason, but a person with coeliac disease medically requires it.
Gluten free shampoo <—-I've seen it
Thrifty advertising their cheapest metro car at $31/day, and then adding an $8 'registration recovery' charge.
yup, complaining about that one…
And Delux pickup and drop off locations. Like the airport.
Advert.
"
Motorbike 'Free'.
Description: Make me an offer.
"
$250 ONO
Few lines below
"Will not take anything lower than $300."
Pretty much anything Malcom Turnbull says about internets such as:
12Mbit is all anyone could ever need.
Or that he believes in the free market delivering low cost services despite intervening not once but twice with the supposedly independent ACCC to attempt to prevent them lowering Telstra's wholesale broadband price.
Or that using taxpayer money to buy Telstra's junk copper infrastructure to deliver services on is a fantastic idea as well as paying Telstra to maintain it.
Ore when Pyne claimed we will be able to stream 5 movies at the same time…
Asking for a regular size drink at the cinema and getting an enormous 2 litre cup that costs $10.
Democratic nation
So true. Seems never will be the day we see a referendum on anything ever again.
RIP Referendums.
After the brexit fiascol that wouldn't be a bad rhing
Never thought I'd ever hear the day when a fellow voter would be anti-referendum.
You don't approve of the proletariate having a say in decision making?
Even if you disagree with the Brexit referendum outcome, at least the majority have had a say.
Very unusual for virtually any government these days to … bother concerning themselves with what the majority of voters want.
IMO a minimum of around 10 referendums per year should be law… :oS
10 referendums/year and associated weeks of campaigning (i.e scaremongering and misinformation)? What are you smoking?
I don't think you've got democracy worked out. The whole point of ELECTING a govt is for them to get on with the decision making. Not ask every tom dick and shazza whether each decision suits their personal circumstances.
@Chris Farley: I think referendums for social policy (e.g. same-sex marriage) make sense. I don't think a referendum was appropriate for the Brexit decision, however, as the implications of the decision are too complicated for most voters to understand.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (aka North Korea)
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Lao People's Democratic Republic
Blatant abuse of the word
"Cap" mobile plans, where for several years telcos got away with using the word to mean the complete opposite of what people would reasonably expect. When "$40 Cap" didn't mean $40 was the maximum cost, but the minimum.
Chemist Warehouse claiming they offer the cheapest prescriptions using 10 foot high signage hung approximately every 5 inches in their stores then attempting to add a $1 dispensing fee on top of prescription costs to make them more expensive.
Political advertising: This election politicians awarded themselves over $200 million dollars of your tax to spend on "campaigning" which means almost all of it goes to TV stations.
Oh but don't worry, unlike normal advertisers they are not covered by "truth in advertising" legislation so they can say anything they like to you and face no accountability at all just in case you didn't already think politicians were a bunch of criminal pigs.
There is "Is this?" in very small font size before that claim :).
serious?
Big Mac. It aint so big. Not even for a child
I could swear that when I was a kid some 40+ years ago these things were so big you wouldn't even imagine eating a 2nd one.
How many could you eat now…
I remember as a kid when I was in awe of this other kid who ate 2 big macs in one sitting. It would be like "that is Simon…. He can eat 2 bug macs"
Do you think Simon still eats 'bug macs?'
Condom sizes. I can never find anything bigger than extra large
Oz Bargainers always looking for something to buy when they have no use for it.
It's only meant to cover your dick, not your entire body.
It's only meant to cover your dick, not your entire body.
In some cases it amounts to the same thing!
Claims of 'super foods' or 'antioxidants' on food packaging
The Groupon website is full of misleading labels and headings. And very misleading claims about percentage discounts.
For example:
Mail order brides.
They claim to love you long time but that just means til they get a visa.
Speaking from experience?
No. Although I do like junk in my mail.
Same same but different right?
Regarding eggs:
"free range" vs
"barn laid" vs
"vegetarian eggs" vs
"organic eggs"
All deliberate attempts to obfuscate truth and confuse you.
Safest bet is to consider them all the same and coming out of the worst condition that is allowed under that label. I have reduced my consumption because of this. You cannot treat animals in such bad conditions and expect them to be healthy.
Almost every single headline on almost all newspaper websites… in another word click bait titles. I can make some up right now and they still won't be as misleading.
BREAKING NEWS: THE UPCOMING ACTOR GOT SHOT!
Opens the article
…. "By the best photographers of top magazines. He is a rising star and made it on cover of Time magazine."
NEWS: A man pulls out a knife to rob a couple walking alone at midnight in dark alley. You won't believe what happened next!!
Opens the article
….. "The couple gave him the money and he let them go."
NEWS: A 10 year old suffering from life threatening disease was given 6 months to live. You won't believe the miracle that happened!
Opens the article
….. "He was given a new experimental drug and it helped him recover. The scientists worked their asses off for years to develop this cure, but the parents believe it was god who was looking after them and said it wouldn't have been possible had they not prayed to him every day."
Basically the Herald Sun and Buzzfeed in a nutshell.
Am I the only one noticing the ABC news website has started with this click-baits recently? It's making me throw up in the back of my throat.
"We went to a public caning and this is what we saw"
"Scottish parlimant threaten's to block BREXIT…"
"… and can they enforce it?"
Then, if you do click on the article, it goes to a page with a normal headline which actually expresses the content of the article.
News.com.au is probably the champion of clickbait headlines.
In early May news.com.au ran a major front page article with headline "New Theory Warns Mercury Passing In Front of the Sun Could Signal the End Of The World" Of course, if you read the actual article (thus paying news.com.au ad revenue) here is what you saw:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/new-theory-w…
It was a crackpot theory from a youtube video. I'm glad News Limited thought it prudent to trawl the internet for every ridiculous theory put forward by random nutters and report it as "news".
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Does cheese cure cancer? Shocking results!
The toxin you're drinking every day and it's killing you!
This man made a million dollars by age 18. Don't you feel inadequate?
We should do this everywhere.
On OzBargain:
"33 Udemy Courses FREE! You Won't Believe What #24 Is!"
In a cafe:
"He Orders A Cafe Latte - But What He Does With It Will Leave You Shocked!"
At work:
"His Boss Asked Him To Compile The Monthly Stats. What He Did Instead Will Amaze You!"
"Honey, I'm going to the shops for bread and milk….and what I'm going to do next will shock you!"
opens trenchcoat
Promite
Products that advertise 'now with improved flavour'. So they're admitting that the flavour was not up to standard for the years beforehand?
New improved usually means they use cheaper ingredients not that the old recipe was bad.
Eg Cadbury using less cocoa solids and more sugar in their chocolate. Arnott using cheap fats and less herb and spices in their shapes.
Australian maps, Australian flags, the words "Aussie" or "Oz" or "True Blue" or pictures of Kangaroos or other Australian icons. Then in tiny microscopic writing on the back of the packaging "Made elsewhere".
So true, but what I found the most annoying is Australian souvenirs made in china… or overseas.
Aldi's conserve style jam with less fruit