YouTube Red has finally come to Australia. Google has announced an initial price of $9.99. Good for those who want to jump on it at launch.
It removes ads and allows users to save any video for offline playback. This is alongside a dedicated app for listening to music. Making this a pretty sweet deal as it doubles as a music streaming app.
@OnlinePred: This.
How many people actually remembered the early days of YouTube before Google's acquisition in late 2006? Mostly silly cat videos and pirated/bootlegged content and YouTube itself is in trouble with expensive bandwidth cost + impending lawsuits from copyright holders.
Then Google came in paid $1.65 billion for the site, injected even more cash to fix up the mess, introduce a proper monetisation model to lure the professional content producers. It came a long way but it's silly to say that YouTube is just fine prior to Google.
After copyright infringement occurs the owner has lost no property.
Torrenting must be legal then.
After copyright infringement occurs the owner has lost no property.
Torrenting must be legal then.
@eug: By analogy, assassinating a political figure must be legal. After all, it is not stealing because nobody has lost property. If it's not stealing, then it's legal!
Actually, it is not illegal to do something that possibly infringes copyright. When it becomes illegal is when a copyright owner seeks to redress your unauthorised usage of the copyright and you do not agree with the terms that they state. For example, if you allow 11,000 other people to view a movie. The movie studio can take you to court, demanding that you pay $40 per view plus legal costs plus a penalty for not arranging a contract beforehand.
On the other hand, if you are a movie website like Presto, you can allow millions of people to watch the movie. The only difference is that the copyright owner recognises Presto's actions regarding the copyrighted work to be okay, probably because some money is going to the movie studio. It wouldn't be illegal for Presto accidentally puts a movie online without a contract in place. It would simply require some negotiation between the rights holder and Presto to resolve the accident.
It may not be ethical and downloaders might be sued for copyright infringement, but there are no laws that criminalise Australians downloading and watching content for their own individual use. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/downloa…
@eug: Thanks! You can go ahead and assassinate pollys too! Just kidding.
If you want to torrent, there are plenty of legal sites out there. http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/finding-legal-and-fr…
OnlinePred on 18/05/2016 - 12:15
Although you may not have any morals, this is in effect stealing.
Torrenting or using adblock may be infringing the right of the copyright owner (or third parties delegated by the copyright owner) to control the copyrighted material. It's not stealing, which is taking property without the intention of giving it back.
"Stealing is taking something—it could be a car, an animal, an item of jewellery or anything of value—that belongs to another person, without their consent, and keeping it with no intention of giving it back to them." https://www.qld.gov.au/law/crime-and-police/types-of-crime/s…
You missed the bit where he said "in effect".
If you wrote an app that you release for free, relying on ads to pay for your time and bills, and I came along and denied you that income with an ad blocker while enjoying your hard work for free, I'm in effect stealing money from you.
@eug: No. Stealing is a very specific thing. If you knowingly lie just because people are doing things you don't like (downloading your copyrighted material), that is just committing perjury. Claiming that the words "in effect" mean "not really" is ridiculous. "In effect" means "be established" or "for all practical purposes".
Copyright owners do not own the work, they own the right to control their work, which ends once they sell a copy of the work. We can sell that work again, in a second hand shop. Copyright owners tried to prevent libraries. They tried to prevent video rental shops. Indeed, they will go to extreme measures, such as using inflammatory language to trick common people into thinking it's "stealing".
@eug: I'm telling the truth. To claim otherwise is dressing up. Media companies often dress up the language, claiming that it's stealing or the like. You can say that I'm dressing it up, not telling it straight, but I feel that you are defaming my character to imply such a thing. I don't like it actually. I do feel that you are bullying, but the wound is slight and the harm is minimal.
Indeed, AdBlock may affect the creator, but the issue is actually neither the consumer's nor the creator's. The creators are not selling their copyrighted work, they have assigned a right to control the access to the creative work to a gatekeeper. For example, if their work is on YouTube. Google pays to the primary creator a small amount of money per click on a video, but a much larger amount for ad clicks. Then if AdBlock stops clicks, the gatekeeper has been Google. The gatekeeper does not pass along money from advertisers because no clicks means that no money was spent by any of the consumers. The content creator might appreciate a better gatekeeper for his/her work, but in the marketplace, stronger measures arouse displeasure among consumers. Caught in this position, I've found that the vast majority of copyright owners are tolerant, while it is the media companies that are primarily profit-driven that seek to sway public opinion. They know that certain people don't want to watch ads because they don't buy anything from the ads they see. If the ads were actually helpful, they would not need AdBlock.
@twocsies: Sure, do whatever you want. I'm not here to tell you what to do or what not to do. It doesn't matter to me how you define stealing, and it shouldn't matter to you whether or not I think you're stealing. I just stated my opinion and that's that.
@eug: Not sure why this needs to digress into all these "me" and "you" and not telling people what they do or what to do. Anyway…
Anyone who stockedup on the $5.99/6months GP Music deal a few months back can get this service at no added cost. I got about 2yrs worth of vouchers
Yep, AND I paid for that using Telstra credit. Winning!
Haha same … until oct 2010
5 years expired?
I didn't realise you could prepay multiple times! Otherwise I would have stocked up too :>
Must have missed this deal
It was a discount for buying it as a gift. You simply sent the gift to yourself instead of someone else.
Only downside I found to this was that adding all the credit stops you from upgrading to Family account if you so wish to later.
This is great! I'm already on Google Play Music thanks to using my Telstra Prepaid Credit. Been waiting for YouTube Red to come to Australia for ages!
How do you pay using your Telstra Credit? I do it for all my apps/books etc, but can't see how to subscribe without it asking for a credit card.
EDIT: Just realized that an individual account is straight forward to pay via Telstra Credit, but when you try and set up a Family account, it requires credit card :( It appears this is an intentional restriction (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2446718#r49109581).
Why would you pay for youtube ? as many have stated already there are a ton of addons to get identical functionality.
likewise there are apps for your phone which will play youtube without any ads.
It's more than just removing ads. You also get Google Play Music access and extra content. Plus the video creators won't be denied income.
how to remove ads from phone? root and install adaway?
I prefer to use the offical youtube app - no ads now
google play music doesnt have as much contents as spotify…DAMN dilemmaaaa
You can upload your own.
Yep as mentioned you can upload your own and access it anywhere which makes it so much better for me.
Google Play Music has 35 million songs and Spotify has 30 million. Plus with GPM you can upload an additional 50000 tracks. Seems like it's the other way around to me.
really? Maybe my taste is bad, half of the songs I am looking for not even in Google, also not to mention there are more Chinese songs on spotify if I ever need some ;)
If you're looking for international songs like Japanese, Korean music etc I've found its lacking or not available in Australia. Apart from that its all there, even movie soundtracks
The Google Play Music addition makes it worthwhile.
whats that
He means that a Google Play Music subscription comes with it too.
For pure statistical discount it's 16.68% - It's not a huge discount and considering $119.88 per year, I wont bite. Thanks for sharing anyways OP.
theres a thing called adblock
not on iOS
Or android, unless you want to root and try adaway and that comes with it's own raft of problems. Also wasn't aware adblock included music streaming.
but adblock doesnt give you GPM
I think $9.99 is exsy for me i would rather watch the ads
there are people with time and there are people with money
Some people make $10 within a few mins, so by saving a few minutes on ads, it's already worth it.
I already have 18 months of credit for Google Play Music from when they had the $5.99 special. Can I buy one month at $9.99 using this offer so that when my 18 months expires I have locked in the $9.99 price instead of $11.99 ?????
If you're on Google Play Music already you should get this bundled in automatically.
It doesn't look like you can buy it while you've already got an existing subscription. But I think the $9.99 price is the first month only?
Woo! I was just bitching about this yesterday.
And its included with the half priced GPM subs that were going around a few months back.
Funny is red, red means blush, means, people been watching things they know is wrong…
You're making no sense.
I'll subscribe when it is $9.99 annually or at least Google offers a trial.
There's a 1-month free trial on now. Click on the link.
Ah I see 1-month free trial now because I logged in as a page manager, Youtube did not allow me to subscribe to Red service.
I bought like a years worth of Google Play Music with telstra credit back when they had that deal of gifting Google Music for a think half the price.
Got an email today saying:
We have some great news. Starting today, we’ll be lowering your monthly subscription price from $11.99 to $9.99. You will see this new price reflected in your next Google Play receipt.
There’s more. As part of your subscription to Google Play Music, you now also get access to our brand new offering, YouTube Red. There is no action required from you — it will work the next time you log in to YouTube.
Score for me :)
To be honest, the title should say that it includes google play music (or vice versa). Its more of an attractive deal that way.
Think it's only fair Google Play did this. Extra bonus for you.
Just got an email from Google. Monthly pricing for Google Play Music has been reduced from $11.99 to $9.99. Can't find anything on their website about it. But I'm guessing they have done this to match the pricing of YouTube Red.
Seems pointless to signup to Google Play Music for the same price as YouTube Red which inc Good Play Music. Am i wrong?
it works both ways ie. as a GPM subscriber you also get youtube red.
This should be merged with https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/248448
Works both ways. Sign up to GPM - you get YouTube Red. Sign up to YouTube Red, you get GPM!
I think Google didn't really do a great job of explaining/advertising this aspect - from what I can tell, they are now literally the same subscription. You're not subscribing to one or the other, you're just subscribing, and you get services A, B and C as part of the subscription. (ie Youtube Red, Youtube Music, Google Play Music).
Be good to know if somebody finds some small print that says otherwise though!
Merged with the YouTube Red deal post as it's the same promotion.
Great for those already using Google Music.
??? I already get redtube for free
Now we gotta pay for Youtube? What's next, public pick up at Sydney airport will charged $4 per 15 mins. Oh wait, that's already happening. FTW!!!
I have a GPM subscription but it doesn't look like I have YTR- it still has a link to Get YTR or Free Trial in the mobile app?
Damn, If you already have a Google Music account, Don't cancel it like I did and retry with the new price, They already lowered it to $9.99. whoops, was easy enough to re subscribe at the $9.99 price though
Plus you get 10% discount on app purchases
and GP movie rentals
Didn't know they gave out rentals. Do you get 1 per month or something?
Not really sure why people think this isn't worth the money. Negative comments seem to be misleading the uninformed looking for a bargain.
You used to get only Play Music for $11.99, now you get Play Music AND Youtube Red included free for even cheaper at $9.99. If you share a family plan with six people for $17.99, its literally $3 a month. For the uninformed, you basically get:
Google Play Music Subscription
Youtube Red
I've personally been using Play Music since it was released and its great, Youtube Red is just more icing on the cake. I tried it this morning and it has been very integrated well. So…it's not just ad-free Youtube after all
More information on the family plan? Any IP restrictions? Can we use six different google accounts?
No IP restrictions. Each person basically gets both services as if it was their own. Each of the six get their own individual services, they dont see each others music or anything.
One person pays the $17.99 and they can activate up to six google accounts. All Google services work off Google accounts, so yes you can use six different google accounts.
I read that all 6 accounts have to be from the same country.
Did you have to do anything to activate Youtube Red? I have GPM but can't seem to get it working?
Just click this link on your mobile:
https://www.youtube.com/red
Should launch Youtube and activate it instantly - I did it this morning. Courtesy of Ausdroid.
Having the same issue. Link just takes me to a trial.
yep me too, link goes to trial page
Same here - hopefully it's just taking a little while to kick in..
Just had a chat with Google Play online chat:
"I see that you're having issues with your YouTube Red subscription through your Google Play music access.
There is actually an on-going issue about this.
We are tracking it and it's an issue on our end.
Our specialists are looking into it and finding resolution for this issue as soon as possible.
I'll email you as soon as we get this fixed."
What's it like compared to Spotify. Are there any glaring omissions or that the app is terrible to use etc.
I used to pay for Sony's streaming service and it was great, even had my nephew tiny unsigned bands music. But it's shut down,
Using free Spotify, not sure if I want to pay for it.
Google play is another option for me but I don't know anything about it really.
I find its much better than Spotify. You can manage whats downloaded to the device easily and can make playlists/radio quite easily. Both have their pros and cons, best to try it out for yourself. That's why they give you 1 month free, so you cancel if it doesn't suit you. In terms of price, this is much much better value than Spotify.
Also if you have your own mp3s, its a no brainer to upload them to the server so you can listen to them anywhere anytime on Play Music.
thanks.
So I pay $10/month to get rid of the ads, it sounds like a big ads to me…
Silly question, this is 9.99 AUD right? Can't find it listed anywhere on site.
Yes it's in AUD.
On the subject music streaming dont forget you can get 12 months free Apple Music if you are with Telstra Mobile
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/241293
Just a reminders as I still find people who have no idea about this
I have a Google Play Music family subscription (paid for with Telstra prepaid credit). Do the other family members also get YouTube Red?
Yes, Youtube Red is included with family plan. How you pay for it makes no difference whatsoever.
Any tricks to getting the family sub working with carrier billing? I couldn't get it to work, only the individual sub.
yeh, what he said!
thirded!
YouTube Music and Google Music (Google Play Music) are different products you do not get Google Music free with YouTube Red
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6305537?hl=en
"Free Google Play Music subscription: Included at no additional cost. "
They are different services, but there are clearly both included in the subscription.
Can you use Google Play gift card credit to pay for this?
You should be able to, but you may need to use an Android device and not a PC.
Doesn't really add anything in my case. Already had ad free and background via Xposed. Just started a download of a music video at 720 and it came out at 96Mb whereas through third party it's 140Mb.
Currently on a 3 month Play Music trial which puts me on the $10 rate if I continue on credit card. Apparently to change to using other payment methods you need to cancel and wait out the old subscription and maybe not get the previous rate.
Well at least the new features provides a legitimate means for the access. It's rather in Google's best interest to have brought this out ASAP to monetize and prevent misuse through a simply presented alternative offer.
Received this email from Google just shortly ago.
We have some great news. Starting today, we’ll be lowering your monthly subscription price from $11.99 to $9.99. You will see this new price reflected in your next Google Play receipt.
There’s more. As part of your subscription to Google Play Music, you now also get access to our brand new offering, YouTube Red. There is no action required from you — it will work the next time you log in to YouTube. With YouTube Red, you get:
Ad-free & offline video
Enjoy YouTube without ads and save videos on your mobile device to watch offline
Background play
Keep videos playing while using other apps or with your screen off
Original shows
Watch YouTube creators take it to the next level in new movies and series
Thanks for being a Google Play Music subscriber. We hope you enjoy the new benefits of your subscription.
Too many subscription getting in our life recently! Netflix, Spotify, Apple music, Youtube red, Vpn, Costco, xBox live, PSN, etc… What else is coming soon? Still there is cheaper alternative but some companies work really hard to force you to pay for their subscription otherwise you will lose huge part of their experience such as Xbox live and PSN. For youtube red im happy to use ad blocker until google found new way to crack those ad blocker.
I used to say that Foxtel was underhanded since back then anyway you'd have to pay for a whole lot for maybe one series that you liked on the history channel.
Right now I never ever watch TV shows and only the occasional movie (could be 6 months between viewings then 2 in a week) so Netflix is unnecessary.
I might listen to music in non-stop mode only occasionally as well so I wouldn't subscribe to Spotify either.
The main issue with subscription models is that rare users subsidise non-stop users. This was especially so with mobile plans before more economical data bolt-ons came into existence, since per MB charges were absolutely ridiculous. Same goes for old internet plans. Optus was evil to start charging per MB once over one's limit rather than proportionally to force people onto higher plans. The lower plans were already poorer value…
In effect. Without money YouTube would not be where it is now. Video spend time, effort and money to make a video that they upload to YouTube, with the knowledge that for every view they get, subscription they get etc. That money comes from Google. Google make this possible through revenue they get from each video someone views, they watch an ad. Maybe you can see the picture here. If google don't make money through ads on youtube, the impacts can be pushed on to video content producers.
Anyway it won't be for long as Google is pushing a new way of punishing ad blocking users with 3+min advertisements as part of the video stream which is un-blockable.