Hello everyone.
Looking to buy a new car (may be) and thinking about Kia Cerrato S coming in around 19K and Hyundai Accent at around 21K.
Which do you think is a good 1st time driver car to buy?
Please don't suggest about 2nd hand car. I'm just doing my piece of research about new cars.
Thank you in advance.
Really it is none of the things you said it is. It is not fun to drive, and it is certainly not a great car. It's also not expensive to run and parts are not expensive. Get some perspective. It's a Kia. Kia pretty much makes the worst cars in the world. They may have improved leaps and bounds since heir introduction to the Australian market, but Chinese death traps aside, the dwell at the bottom of the automotive pond. To think otherwise is to think wrong.
There are far too many shit chinese manufacturers out there now to seriously suggest that Kia makes the worst cars in the world.
They remain a league ahead of the garbage that still gets pumped out by GM Daewoo (and sold in Australia as "Holdens" to bogans who don't know any better).
I think if someone doesn't give a crap about what they're driving but still wants a basic new car, it'd be hard to go past the standard "baby" cars - Polo/Jazz/Mazda2/Fiesta - they are all fantastic value and would do 99% of whatever anyone would ever want from a car (including a bit of highway/interstate driving).
Agreed, a Polo is a much better choice than a Korean crap bucket.
@thorton82: current-gen Polo is a surprisingly well-built and established bit of kit for the money, but I'd still go for a Jazz if I was in this market segment (probably negotiate a set of the VTi-S wheels in the deal while I was at it, though). the magic seats make the jazz orders of magnitude more versatile than anything else in the baby car class - and it'll probably hold up (and together) better than the Polo in a few years time.
Unqualified opinion. Have you owned one or have stats to substantiate?
people needs to read this for a new mindset if value is what you are after
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/australias-five-best-cars…
People should Never read drive for car advice. Those journalists are hacks.
That is at least one way of ' narrow minded' - the same logic can be used to dispute anything on mass media - readers are not idiots- they can make their own judgement , but discounting by not even reading it is not really helpful
But readers are idiots. Case in point, asking for car advice on a budget forum.
Here's a fun bit of trivia.
Just TWO automotive manufacturers in the world have their own iron ore stockpiles and steel manufacturing facilities.
One is TATA.
Guess the other one.
I don't understand why having its own steel makes Hyundai a better manufacturer than anyone else. If anything, it is probably a burden because Hyundai can't participate as freely in world steel markets as other manufacturers (they'll have their own employees to consider and look after in advance of that).
Oh, you think they only make cars from their steel? No, they actually have a ship building division too.
They've built the largest container ships in the world.
As for cars?
If having control of a fundamental automotive manufacturing material doesn't strike you as significant, I'll leave you to your denial.
And completely irrelevant? For a start all the good Tata cars are made from aluminium.
Yes, I'm well aware that the JLR stuff is largely aluminium. Nobody but you is considering their "premium" brands.
If you knew how to read, you'd have realised my emphasis was not on Tata. I mentioned it first because it would be factually incorrect to write that only Hyundai have their own steel mill. Thus, get TATA out of the way because it's not materially relevant to this discussion, then the "Guess who?" bit.
BECAUSE
Hyundai has been relevant to the discussion.
Is the engine thats the important bit of the car, Hyundai's don't do well compared to Japanese.
What a baseless, generic statement.
Uhh, what aspect of the engine? Power/displacement ratio? Torque/displacement ratio? Reliability?
Fuel economy?
All the stats I've seen + comments from owners have you snookered on these.
Unless there's a source to your generalisation I've somehow missed?
Here are some online sources for you to consider:
The Motor Report
"In the battle of the 2.0-litre four-cylinder engines, the Elantra’s comes out on top."
I won't regurgitate the verdict paragraph, but it's a good read.
The Hyundai romps it in — beating Toyota and Mazda.
Or what about this comparo with Corolla from Motoring.com.au?
Winner: Hyundai.
Or this vs Mazda 3
Winner: Hyundai.
Shall I continue?
@mcmonte: And what associations do those magazines have? Have a read what Thorton has written, he reckons all car reviews are paid and biased.
Who? What? Thorton? Conspiracy?
What about Top Gear UK magazine? They rate the Koreans highly too. Are they biased? They also like VAG, JLR, Nissan, Mazda & Honda products. Oooooh they're just cheerleaders for the automotive industry in general!
No, my friend. Here's a personal example.
A relative was buying a car in late 2013. We had previously pointed and laughed at the poor suckers driving Korean crap as we blasted past in our Hondas.
She had test driven and was about to sign for an Astra, of all things. Thankfully she thought to call me for my input. I referred her to an i30 for sale nearby. They test drove and bought it that evening.
Since then, the only issues have been:
1. Rear headrests limit rearward vision. So she adjusted them to their lowest positions.
2. It didn't come with an Apple compatible cable, so they had to buy one.
We forget modern history so easily. Japan rose from the ashes of WWII to become a major automotive force. It took ~40 years to reach their peak. In the 50s, there was also a war on the Korean peninsula.
They even based a comedy (M.A.S.H.) on it.
Why is it so hard to accept that South Korea can emulate what Japan has done, and in a similar timeframe?
Or is this about some deep-seated colonialism you harbour?
I forgot to mention this but since Nissan are discontinuing the Pulsar hatch, there are some great deals to be had on them. I wouldn't consider the Pulsar hatch to be any worse than the base Cerato or i30 (i30 maybe slightly better). I'd certainly have a Pulsar hatch over an Accent for similar money.
All because we forget Nissan's bad name as a distance memory while Kia's bad name still a fresh memory ?
Nissan doesn't have a bad name…sure they might be one of the "cheaper" Japanese brands but they have a long history of making perfectly reliable and safe cars (and a few exciting ones…like the GT-R :) )
Fair's fair. They may not be able to name (Tiida, Qashquai) or market a car well, but they're good honest cars. TG mag summed up the Tiida as "the new Pulsar. Would sell more if it were called 'Pulsar'".
The Qashquai has been a huge seller in the UK too. I believe it's been top of the sales charts recently.
There are 88-91 vintage Pulsars still happily getting about. The biggest surprise (to me) is their lack of rust, given the Pintara/Corsair from that time was prone to it. I forget who did the body on that, Ford or Nissan.
Ah yes, the Pulsar, the car they did minor changes to the old one, and called it a new one.
If anyone buys a Pulsar, it's proof that they have driven nothing else!
I agree that none of these cars are paragons of driving excellence. They wouldn't be my choice (I currently have a BF XR6 Turbo and looking at buying a Focus ST). But for someone who literally doesn't care about driving and just wants to get from the end of their driveway to the end of their friend's driveway, it'd do the trick.
No, it's definitely not picking over anything around that price. Like, anything! The CVT is aweful, the interior is dated and offers nothing.
Buy a Cruze before you buy a Pulsar!
@Spackbace: who said anything about a CVT? I'd buy the manual.
no way would I buy a cruze over a pulsar (would definitely prefer anything other than either of them though - my pick would be to try and snag a cheap i30 activeX for around $16,000 - its possible - or a 1-2 year old mazda3).
@Spackbace:
Are you a car salesman because you’re so passionate about cars or are you so passionate about cars because you’re a car salesman?
I own a nice enough car but it's just something that get me from point A to point B, when point A and B are too far apart for me to walk.
P.s: Not a criticism. Genuinely curious.
All good. Started out in the industry as passionate about cars. I knew a decent amount on a brand, then worked for that brand and would learn all the lil things. Quickly knew the customer didn't care about the lil things (for used cars) and I had to learn about all the brands and all the cars, so can't know everything.
I'm very opinionated about cars because I see/drive so many, part of the job. I can pick faults in any car, and what they could've should've done lol even Holden Caprices, Ford GTs, etc, peoples' dream cars, and I'll sit there and go 'jees the Bluetooth is crap' or whatever :)
Drove a 2012/2013 WRX STi, manual. That car is a dream car for many people, $40k or so worth of car (used). Yet the interior looked highly dated, stereo/entertainment system sucked, and I could barely fit (6'3, average size).
Just 1 of those things :)
Honestly, I don't know lol
If I won lotto tomorrow, I'd probably end up with a VF SS-V Redline Wagon, maybe with a bit of stuff done to it as well. I'd find it hard spending over $100k on something (maybe a Landcruiser 200, but even that is only 120k)
Though a GTR would be kinda nice, just hard to fit the girls in there :P
@Spackbace: By "the girls", you mean all the women you'll be picking up with your new GTR or …
Edit : on second thought, don't answer that : you'll ruin the fantasy :P
IF you look for quality and reliable cars .I suggest you buy Toyota Yaris because its made in Japan original. ( never get Kia or Hyundai because you will have problem with it later ).
I had drive few of Toyota cars like RAV4, Corolla, and Yaris. Never had any problems with them. (If you look after them well ).,
I just bought a new Yaris for my kid only $17500.no complaint with it.
You mean you didn't buy her a McTurnbull mansion? Buying cars for kids is now so passé. I'm considering buying my kids a yacht, but they will have to share it. I like to keep them grounded.
LOL…..
I bought my 2012 manual Kia Cerato S in april 2013. 92,000 ks always dealer serviced. Mine is a 2.0L but the newer 1.8 is punchy.
Safe, fun and great car to drive. Brakes are exxy and oem tyres and brakes are crap. But I spent 17k brand new. Better than my suzi swift. Good for young families.