How hard is this? As this post has shown and others like the dick smith sales it is needed to stop something from reaching the front of the page with no information or actual bargains.
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Locking voting before sales starting and prices being posted.
Gehirn on 24/03/2016 - 13:45
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There are way too many sheeple here that will upvote anything and everything related to one particular store or (worst of all) opening poster, without any regard whatsoever to the actual saving or bargain to be had.
The thread i linked below is full of debate on that exact topic - have a read, make a comment!
Thanks, will check it out.
@KaptnKaos: worth a read…neil just closed it…his final comments are a bit ambiguous - there may be a trial, maybe this week to reduce referrals getting to the front page with the 'sheeple' votes as you put it
they upvote anything.
This ain't Reddit.
How about following the rules and not posting until there is a bargain?
It seems to be an unenforced rule.
People read rules?
rules meant to be broken
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kidding
Some people are exempt from rules.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - Animal Farm
dragon is the strongest animals!
George Orwell has many great quotes in his writing, nice one
@eisniwre: pound for pound, ants are the strongest in the animal kingdom
Were all f@&$ed if ants mutate - dragons and all!
Everyone knows Lion is the king of the jungle, the rest is fairy tale
There is currntly a dedicated forum initiated by the mods discussing future directions and potential rule changes to ozbargain, check it out and voice your opinions
Its been on the front page for 2 days. Everyone can see it .
From the > 100k registered ozbargain users, No one is interested in your childish agenda's or don't you get it.
You guys commenting only account for 0.00006% of the ozbargain community, so it does NOT represent what the community wants in any way
Looks like someone negged you - heres an upvote to counter it
its good to hear your opinion, all points of view are welcome - Do you mind if i link your comment to the thread or perhaps you care to comment directly in the thread?
You should put away the calculator - most eduacated people realise that many such stats are not truly reflective as they have a clear agenda - and when you include adjectives such as 'childish' and claim to speak for the majority, it simply lessens your creditbility
As such you may well be insulting the very same people you are addressing!
Have a great day, please get back to me on my question ASAP
Thanks for your lawyer talk. Got better things to do than to enable your passive aggressive obsessions.
@easternculture: so is that a yes?
Also, you are actually being passive agressive, FYI
Ill give you another upvote, coz im sure youll get negged again by someone who wont own up to it!
Please use this current thread for Locking voting before sales starting and prices being posted..
There is currntly a dedicated forum initiated by the mods discussing future directions and potential rule changes to ozbargain, check it out and voice your opinions
The other thread is for the Referrals. Please stick to referral discussion only in that thread. If there are other issues please use the Comment Thread or start a new thread in Site Discussion.
Are you referring us to the referral thread?
Any comment on the subject matter since you are here?
The rules where made a mockery today.
Why is the deal still on front page?
Why was negative votes removed aggressively? Yet all the positive votes made when there was no bargains still kept as valid?
There is a lot of upset Ozbargainers today who were made to look like 'fools'
removed aggressively
I disagree. We purposely tapped the mouse buttons softly when removing.
I felt for some of the comments it was more harsh than normal.
Some where outright removals but others very questionable.
I think we were pretty consistent in the soft presses.
@neil: making light - using sarcasm no less - of what people percieve is a problem with the site is not a good look for most - especially not a moderator
Maybe whip off the mod hat when you want to crack wise?
@pointless comment: Today there was a conflict of interest imo where all the good TA has done for this site meant the rules were relaxed.
I still feel and many others that negative votes were removed aggressively. The post was based on pure speculation, that alone is enough reason why negative votes should have remained. How can one provide a comparison if there is no bargains? Sure you can argue that technically negs came after the deal was active BUT Ozbargainers were deceived initially where the problem stems from.
Sure you can argue that technically negs came after the deal was active BUT Ozbargainers were deceived initially and went against the core of this website.
Well yeah, neg votes came after the deal were live, and as with any deal post, if someone can't substantiate their vote, then it doesn't stay, simple. The 'sheeple' (that word that's been thrown around today) neg voters got on the bandwagon and hit that red button, with very very basic descriptions (ie "not a deal"), and as with any deal post, those were removed.
Hopefully those members now know how to actually formulate an argument as to why they're voting against the deal.
The neg votes and the deal published early are 2 separate things. People didn't neg vote because it was up early - that's why no one cast a neg vote before the sale went live.
@GameChanger: yeh look, technically i agree…the mods made a mistake, probably because TA had banked so much goodwill that he is only seen in a good light through rose colored glasses
Its happened now - there will be that much more scrutiny on all deals posted by well known members, mods will belooking closer at things moving forward and it may even cause more users to voice there opinions.
all positive outcomes IMO
if you hadn't realised by now that OzB is like communism, anything not approved by the few in charge gets removed, posts, comments, votes etc. All the sheeple shit stays. It's why I won't post deals here
It's why I won't post deals here
In 5yrs of being here, that's your reason?
Umm, k…
Deals, comments, vote don't need approval. You may be thinking of our sister site, CommBargain.
Comment chart (published/removed):
Something needs to be done about this tagging as I got notification but can't tell which comment/user you have replied to.
Issue for another thread perhaps haha
I was replying to https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/3563406/redir
assuming you click on the "your comment" part of the notification, it should take you to the post that was replied to, if you can't tell where my reply comes in (as this thread has a lot of activity) collapse the higher responses (the little - next to the posters avatars) till you can see the response you're looking for.
Cool that's fine. You still managed to post 200+ comments involved in various discussions though. Much better than hundred thousands of leechers who just browse OzBargain everyday.
Are you calling customers who don't post leechers?
Yes customers. OzBargain is providing a service and people who visit are its customers. People who visit the site but don't post are still earning OzBargain money by viewing and clicking on ads, sharing links to your site and increasing the exposure of the OzBargain brand (which will add to its value if OzBargain is ever sold).
So even if a person doesn't post deals and interact on the forums/comments they still have value. Probably not as much as people who do the aforementioned but to refer to them a 'leechers' (which IMO is a derogatory term) is poor form.
@jelko: Well. I guess sarcasm tag was something I forgot there. The parent comment was I had a go at @terminal2k who have posted a deal over 5 years. Customers are also usually refer to those who have paid therefore have some rights over the product / service they have purchased.
@terminal2k
While what you are talking about does hold some wieght, you are talking about minor instances there
Overall ozbargain is run very well IMO.
Mods do get it wrong from time to time, but they should not be crucified for it - youll find that the powers that be here are very open to ideas and genuinely want feedback.
The biggest problem in changing the momentum of things is that most people are apapthetic, or too lazy to get invOlved - as in real life politics
Change takes time, and Rome was not built in a day - you should start to post and engage - you wont shape anything sitting back an taking potshots here and there!
i'm not saying that the whole of OzBargain is bad, but the way negative votes on deals are revoked so often (I think only one of my negs has stayed valid, and I've done a bunch) while the upvotes to deals that are done by sheeple who woulnd't know a deal if it kicked them in the balls, ruins the whole idea of how the system operates. I don't ever use the front page view because of this, I always use the most recent posted deals view, which means I can miss stuff over the weekend as I'm mostly on here when I should be working.
To the people who neg my comment please reveal yourself.
I would like to hear your why you don't agree.
Lol i just received exactly 5 negs across comments on this page
care to own up?
I'm getting hit as well.
Shame people don't have the guts to own up
Oh well …at least to members like you and me the actual value of a + or - is zero
For others on this site voting is a very real and valuable currency ;)
That's so true.
The funny part was that I was surprised to find both of us had really good + to post ratio last month.
We must be saying some right things!
Are you guys twins or something? I always see your posts in twos much of the time agreeing with each other.
EDIT: Just noticed you are both from WA. Now I'm convinced you're twins.
@neil: i didnt even know GC was in WA, hes location is marked as "home"
Dont actually know for the record - just two people who share some common views on the grubby issues that noone really likes to talk about here!
@GameChanger: surprising…i often get negged into oblivion….im also convinced that ive got a handful of followers who neg me whenever they come across my comments
You've brought up comment votes a fair few times now, yet you apparently don't care about them… Contradictions
You talking to me?
Yep
@goodguy: no, it was a challenge for them to own up - someone thought theyd dump their daily quota of negs all on me
Most of my comments arent really worth the effort, as im sure you know
It was Not a reflection on my care factor for imaginary internet points - more a pointed comment on the cowardly nature of people who prefer to make anonymous judgement
Was it you?
@pointless comment: For what it's worth, it wasn't me and a comment explaining a neg is always more helpful than an anonymous one, it's just for someone who believes the points imaginary, you bring them up a lot.. just an observation
@goodguy: no worries… But There is a distinction between whinging about getting negged, and challenging ppi to take ownership of the negs they dish out
spare us your insecurity and go complain on whirlpool where people may care what you think
@easternculture: dont really know much about whirlpool apart that its a tech site…why would any one care about anything related to ozbargain there?
Also, why do you keep bringin up whirlpool -have people ther offended you or something, why do you have something against whirlpool users?
well you better make yourself acquainted to whirlpool as you've built yourself a reputation on ozbargain as the person who complains about things.
whirlpool is the website where people go to seek comfort and debrief if you will.
@easternculture: now you are just been offensive. Why are you so angry all the time?
i know whirlpool is not a counselling site or whatever you are talking about - i visited it a few times when trying to tune my TV channels - Why the heck would memebers there care about someone wanting to discuss ozbargain?
It makes no sense, am i missing something?
reputation on ozbargain as the person who complains about things
TBH, i dont care about my reputation a whole lot on this site, i mean at the end of the day its a site about saving a few bucks here and there and my 'ozbargain reputation' as you call it actually bears no influence in life
However, what you call ' complaining' i call questioning and engaging. Most are happy to sit back and roll with the tides, me i like to challenge myself and others, and seek answers.
Most would agree, thats not a bad trait to have.
If people want to label me a complainer - thats fine - although i suspect its you introducing that tag into dialogue - you say it like you claim to speak for the majority of people who frequent this site,
And FYI, i have recieved a bunch of PMs - and no, not only from those whod youd immediately suggest - supporting the fact that i am prepared to shake the tree.
dont take it all so personally - you have actually interjected into thread with another user here - relax and have a safe and happy Easter
Your seem to be very insecure. Not only here but in a few more threads.
You write a comment. go away think about it. Come back and reply again in the form of another comment.
I think you may need to seek help.
And then you have a habit of repeating yourself in different comments on the same topic.
@easternculture: ok ill play..live got a busted ankle atm so i can afford you some time….please list the said threads, highlighting how " very insecure" i am as you put it
Also
Come back and reply again in the form of another comment.
What 'form' would you prefer - a mini-disc with a voice recording via carrier pigeon perhaps?
@easternculture: is suspect i know one of the threads ur referring to - you said im insecure in several threads, plural - i challenged you to link examples of such comments across the threads…please proceed
A question, (might have missed it being raised above). Is there a reason that a bargain with so many neg's still remains on the front page? I would've thought that after x negs (eg. 10) + x period of time (eg. 2 hours to ensure that the negs are valid), it is automatically removed from the front page.
Ah ok, that makes sense. Is there any reason that negs are not weighted in this calculation? Considering generally a post with more than 10 negs is seen as a bad post, no matter what the pos vote count is?
Aka, weight negs by 4 (arbitrary number). Calculation would become: 99 - 24*4 = 99 - 72 = 3
Don't think there has ever been discussion of weighted negatives. 1 to 1 makes sense visually. Not sure how you could justify 4x or whatever. Also, it would probably make things a bit more complicated.
@neil: I'm not thinking weighting in regards to them being displayed that way.
I'm thinking that you'd weight them in the backend in calculating whether it remains on the front page.
Eg. With those DSE deals a couple of years ago that remained on the front page (I believe), that had ~100 negs, but also had ~400 positive votes. (Numbers from memory and may be completely wrong)
OzBargain also seems to have a Negging problem. People troll through negging comments for no reason and god forbid if anyone negs a deal because they have a legitimate red flag they wish to share with the community there will be an instant neg-brigade against that person to revoke that neg..
I think that revoking negs by community vote is wrong. If the neg was truly wrongly applied then it should only be revocable by a mod, otherwise it should be up to the user viewing it to decide if that neg vote carries any merit.
Everyone complains too much. I'm active on about 4 other bargain sites and Ozb is run far better and more friendly overall than any of those. Staff actively engaging with the community and allowing store reps to post is unheard of on other sites.
Age with you 100%. There seems to be a vocal minority in this thread and others that just want to complain about everything at the moment. It almost feels like they have a personal grievance with a few popular posters and mods. At the end of the day this is a site to help us save money, which it does very well. Perhaps some people need to take a chill pill and get some perspective in life.
If you read the concerns it was about the integrity of this site and nothing to do with popular users and mods.
Ozbargain is the best site because it's transparent/independent; this came into question after the community noticed deceptive/loophole behavior which was tricking people into think a deal was a bargain.
This site works well coz it is accountable and the mods are open to criticism and engaging in communication
Just coz some are prepared to stick their necks out and ask hard questions, it does not mean it is some sort of underhanded vendetta
Also if you know where to get some cheap chill pills , please post as a bargain
Will do mate, although I've been told that chill pills ain't exactly cheap.
Agree with you on the mod thing, they do a good job. All I'm saying it seems, and I may be wrong, a few people here are targeting a couple of popular posters more than any others.
@tassieeagle: all good mate…debate has been put to bed and change has been implemented
I guess mistakes are noticed more when someone well known makes one
If you run a traffic light, no one cares…if the prime minister does the same thing, its national news for days
@pointless comment: don't compare PM with average citizen. PM is a role model and is expected to abide by law 100% no mistake, otherwise eveyone will complain why PM should be given special treatment.
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No need for it. The sheep dont care, they upvote anything.