Hi everyone. I am an Uni student that is studying and living in Australia. I have this question of How Australian people think of "Made in China" for a while and I searched online today. seems that the majority of Australian are very positive about Chinese people that live or work in Australia. but there is not many discussions about chinese products. It will be very appriciated If you can post your opinions about products that "Made in china" whether your are Australian or immigrant that lives in Australia.
What Do Australian People Think of "Made in China"?
sorterx on 02/02/2016 - 22:33
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I will not touch any food made in china. They use human excrement for fertiliser. And I don't trust their cleanliness for anything else they call food. And animals have no rights whatsoever there.
Simple. I try not to buy anything from China (and am fairly successful in that) because of poor quality, human rights (T Square for example) issues, working conditions etc.
Things I definitely would never buy are food, cars, technology such as phones, cutlery, clothing or anything else that touches or comes close to my body as in China the "guidelines" for poisonous ingredients and treatments are very generous.
There is a reason why the Chinese people buy milk powder like crazy from the Western World as their own people put toxins in their supply. Same with the huge import growth of other food into China - there is a good reason for it.If I do buy anything from China it will be worth under $5 and for one time use only (maybe a flag, or a cable I use once and under supervision).
Low price is not worth taking the risk in my opinion. With many items it is possible to get much better quality at the same price or only slighter more expensive elsewhere.
lol good luck
Using that metric, pretty much you'd have to boycott anything made in the 3rd world & developing countries.
Animal rights?
We keep dogs and cats as pets but eat chicken and pig etc?How do we differentiate
RSPCA Approved meat….what a joke
We are no different to animals ourselves.
More like cannibalism reallyyeh but we don't skin dogs and cats alive to make fluffy wallets and collars on winter coats.
Yeah that's right, we don't do that to sell to ourselves, so they do it to sell to us.
I think if people really stop buying these they probably will stop doing it.
I am Australian (multiple generations).
My personal view on products made in China depends on the company making the products rather than the fact it was made in China or not.For example, i find that products made by Chinese companies that are not well established or that do not have long industry experience can be of poorer quality and I would generally steer clear of them because I have bought them before and got burned. But for products from very reputible companies who have very good processses and quality controls, I regard the quality as high, such as an Apple iPhone or iPad.
For food, I am very skeptical and generally wont trust food from China (or many places) where quality control is unknown to me.
For cars, such as Great Wall, i also have a poor opinion of them due to the proven safety issues and poor safety test ratings. If BMW has a factory in China (not sure if they do), then I would trust those cars due to the quality control coming down from Germany.
I have the view that in general the Chinese companies focus on "cheap" and lower quality, rather than more expensive and higher quality. That may not be the case for every company, but it's my general experience and certainly my perception.
I also have a very poor opinion of the way Chinese workers are treated and paid. I will avoid made in China where I can to a large extent based on how the people are treated. I'm more than happy to pay more for something I like if I know the workers are getting treated very fairly, but mostly they seem not to be, which pushes me away.
Interesting that you mentioned BMW in China - there is a factory there that assembles cars for the local market, but they aren't sold in Australia so far.
BMW has a factory in south Africa that produces all of the LHD 3-series beamers, while X-series are made in the USA and other models like mini are made in UK and India, or Mexico while the premium BMW products are still made only in Germany. The quality control, finishing reliability as well as the safety W emissions features vary wildly from country to country, even though the whole operation is overseen by the parent company. Don't expect that your $50k Pretorian is anything like a $100k Bavarian. It's more than just leather and chrome.and the funny is, supposedly Chinese people will prefers foreign made BMWs, even if it twice/thrice the price off a local one
it is really interesting observing it from both sides
in general, if the price is right, people in the West will happily buy MIC, regardless of quality or other political matters
OTOH, Chinese people will strive to buy foreign made goods (or at least foreign brands even if it is MIC)
are the Chinese people simply trying to boost their e-peen? or are they onto something? ;)
Can confirm this. There are locally made (probably sourcing some/most of their parts from the regular BMW production) BMW cars that are only sold in China. Big premium on the ones that aren't made locally, and people are prepared to pay whatever to get them.
Most of the variants are the longer "L" versions, I think mostly 3 series that aren't available in many other places.
If you wanna complain about the cost of luxury cars here. These Chinese have it pretty bad, the BMW 428i here is 100k, over there it starts at 600,000 (130k) and that includes nothing. Add onto that their taxes and you're looking at nearly 200k. That's if you can even get registration in a big city
I see nothing wrong if they are brand conscious to the point where they want to prove that they can easily afford a imported luxury car and cough up the luxury tax for it. You probably don't even know certain trim levels aren't available in Chinese made Beemers, buyers might want the M model that can only be imported because the Chinese factory only manufacture entry to mid spec variants.
A lot different to us where we instead parallel import various goods because its cheaper for us consumers.
South African BMW is absolute rubbish… Most unreliable pieces of shit ever made.
Australian born, half Chinese.
I too try to avoid food that's made in China. Getting harder and harder to do. Tomato paste, bottled garlic, frozen veg, "Made in X from imported ingredients"…it's tricky.
I bought some smoked oysters from Aldi recently on a whim, and then realised it was "Product of China". If there's something that I would really, really, not want to ingest, it's water-filtering animals that lived in China's waterways. I returned it next visit.
Chinese chocolate is taking over - where once we only had Australia, NZ, Swiss, Belgian, Italian to choose from, now many brands are quietly slipping from the shelves of our supermarkets and department stores to be replaced by finely presented house brands all 'Made in China' garbage, with good only knows what toxic chemicals, heavy metals and asbestos residues on the unlisted ingredients.
Also beware of the 'Made in NZ from local and imported ingredients' labels - a way for Chinese manufacturers to sell to us unwittingly and bypass our labelling requirements.I am with you there kiitos. When it comes to food/body cleaning products/baby food and baby products I avoid Made in China at all cost.
Not all things made in China are bad, but why oh why did the new eneloops have to be. :(
Not all things made in China are bad just like not all things made in Australia are good. People who think so are just ignorant and too lazy to think.
Chinese products vary widely and in this age there really is less options for choosing the origin of the product, that bothers me. If I want to pay a premium for a product made in a certain place I am largely unable to.
Food is something I try to avoid because, frankly, I don't trust that the Chinese state enforces safety regulations as well as some other countries. Even Chinese people don't trust their own domestic products that is why they import so much of their food like baby formula after the 2008 contamination.
I also think the horrible working condition in Chinese factories are an issue. When you have people jumping off of buildings and nets being erected between buildings to prevent suicides I think you have major problems. But I cannot vote with my wallet on an issue like that because, as I said in my first sentence, there is few alternatives to Chinese made.
I think when health or safety concerns are valid it is a bit bullshit for people to accuse consumers of racism or prejudice because they avoid products from certain countries.
Absolutely correct. recently I also noticed new trends (power tools, but I am sure other products as well):
labels on the tools have the manufacturer name, power, voltage, etc, but not country of manufacture. "Made in…" is only included on the external packaging/box, often on a paper label only. Presumably to allow easy change of details for different product batches. Retailers (Bunnings, Masters, etc.) rarely include in the product description which country it was made in. Recently I had two almost identical electric drills from the same manufacturer in my hand, one external paper label had "Manufactured in China", the other one "in Mexico". Same in USA: see this: http://toolguyd.com/home-depot-coo-info-to-product-listings-…
large Chinese manufacturers buy full, well established operations. One example: Milwaukee Electric Tool Corporation (est. 1924) is one of the best power tools manufacturers, trusted by professionals for years. In 2004 full operation was sold to Hong Kong-based manufacturer Techtronic. While some activities are left in USA today all Milwaukee tools are made in China, and full operation and decision making belongs to the new Chinese owners. Hardly any tradesmen knows (or cares) about it: most know that Milwaukee are good US tools you can trust. No "Techtronic" on the labels, the new owners retained distinctive red tool casings and the "Milwaukee" logo. I guess similar things were happening in the past, so my feeling that it is more common today may not necessary be correct.
If I have realistic choice I am not supporting products made in China. I am prepared to pay a little more for non-Chinese manufactured product. Not because of quality (which is often very high), but because of human rights issues. Yes, I often compromise, specially if alternative products cost twice as much - but I always check and think which way to go.
What are people's opinion with Made in Taiwan (ROC) products?
Gutter oil!
Taiwan #1
Taiwan and Japan both made shoddy & cheap products at some stage in their industrialization and exports. People just have short memories.
Just ask your grandparents about Japanese products quality in the 50's and 60s.
I remember when all the crap used to be made in Korea. Also owned a toy submarine that was made in North Korea. It won't be very long before Made in Japan, Korea and China will not mean much to the consumer, in terms of quality.
Australian think that this question is poorly worded.
Pauline Hanson?
Please Explain?
Grammatically poor?
How do Australian think about product "Made in China"?
For me I try to avoid any Food products made in China and I always read the label.
other items.. TVs, furniture, appliances.. sometimes just can't avoid but generally would go for branded products.
Luck of the draw, some are good some are bad.. but if I had the exact same product at a similar price , one made in China and the other made in another country
I would select the other country.
This is probably because have experienced alot of crappy stuff made in China, but there are things that do last and are of good quality too.Clothing - not too fussed
I think you are asking a very specific demographic. Ozbargain opinions will be different to the general consumer.
I think it is of lower quality but usually more value for money, if I want it to last (eg TV, phone charger) I don't buy Chinese made, if I know it won't last ( eg kids toys) I go Chinese all the way.Some exceptions when the price is really low and I am happy with the risk (eg Chinese Sauna for $2000 vs Branded for over $10,000, our Chinese one is doing well, but I won't cry if it fails).
I'm made in Australia from Chinese parts
I remember seeing an A Current Affair or Today Tonight segment about clothes made in China in the noughties. The woman (parent) they interviewed said clothes made in China gave their kids rashes. Yes, it's shoddy programming and it is most likely untrue, but maybe that was a common view.
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even if that were true, It can happen with locally produced clothing.
"I am an Uni student that is studying "
that isWHO Currently
Lol
Pretty sure this student is just going to plagiarise everything that's said here, so getting English correct is going to be the last thing on his/her mind.
Now you are picking his grammer mistake as "English Made in China", but I have got to tell you his English is made in Australia, so stop picking up on his English. His English is not part of the forum.
Easy there.
Little correction won't harm
I don't even know where to start picking on your mistakes from your post below!
Xiao Mi (Not the fake one), Dong Guan qiiiii giggity (no more chickas again), Lenovo Thinkpad (It's allright IMHO since they swapped from IBM to Lenovo even though they made small mistake in Thinkpad T 440 generation , Try to copycat Apple Macbook, MEH. Reckon that majority of people still biased with Chinese product as most people got bad experience with those cheapo product).
Don't be cheap when buying chinese product m8! You get what you pay for , If your expectation is skyrocketing buy you ain't have a ball to pay good sum of money then don't expect much buddy. Look for the BEST VALUE (Quality/Price), Mostly positive reviewed product (do alot of research before you buy, especially something expensive and hard to re-sell) not the cheapest one especially those which you use most frequently (ex: the Egyptian TC sheet as you spend 1/3 of your life in there)
Word of wisdom!I'll give a slightly different viewpoint to others; China = CCP. I have spent time in China in the past and here are some summary notes: Heavy, overwhelming pollution. Callous people. Censorship and warmongering. Wumaos, secret police and corruption. If you have never been to China you have no idea how good you have it in Australia.
For these reasons I actively avoid buying goods from China.
Not that different: many posters above (including myself) expressed very similar opinion. Unfortunately most people when asked what they think about "made in China" simplistically think only about quality and prices.
Do you really think that Australia, America, Korea or any other country is free of corruption? It only varies in the amount of corruption. Unless it is directly unethical (involving child labour, slavery etc) I do not agree with your view of not buying a product made in a country because of a corrupt government.
I never said that other countries are completely free of corruption. Yes, there is complexity involved in making ethical choices, well beyond the scope of this discussion, and each person has to make individual decisions he or she is comfortable with.
Hi, I never said any country is free of corruption and life is a shade of grey. Corruption is but one facet of China, and they are "directly unethical" in the manner which I have already mentioned.
If you are going to request evidence I suggest you do some research, maybe take a trip to anywhere in Gungdong and see if you still hold the same view.
I agree, but China itself is shades of grey I guess. You must have seen horrible stuff to boycott the entire China. You are right in that if I see what you saw I may hold the same view. For now, I will just enjoy the chinese freebies. :)
I would not hesitate to buy anything made in China if my life is not relying on the thing I am buying and is not any kind of medicine or food item.
As others mentioned the quality has improved a lot over the time. I lived first half (2 decades) of my life in a developing country and I have very bad experience with Chinese made products at the initial stage. However when I moved into US I immediately saw a massive difference in the quality of Chinese made products I saw in my birth place and in US market. Then I thought the products going into developing countries from China could be lesser quality or even factory rejects.
Overall I am happy to see China entering into new markets and start producing because as a consumer and a true OZBargainer I want the price to go down. Unless until China starts producing price normally stays very high. For example Solar panels.The history about Chinese product is interesting. In your earlier 2 decades, you are probably right about the poor quality about Chinese product.
However, before 1980s and even earlier, Chinese exporters aimed to show the best side of their products to the world.
I had a pure cotton towel made in China that the threads are so thick and dense. It served me more than 10 years. There are handfuls of examples of good quality made Chinese in early 1970s and 1980s, but they were merely recognized because of poor marketing.
Mentality changed over time, after they opened the market to the world. They become purely business minded and mostly only aims for profitability and care nothing else. Not all of them, but a very large proportion, I dare say.
The negative image was so badly spread to an extends people links "made in China" to poor quality or fake. The damage is enormous. The outbreak of food safety issue did drawn everyone attentions in China. You have heard Chinese people fighting crazily for milk powder, right?
Not a perfect example, but it was like Korean electronics in old days, no one wanted Korean white goods or cars. Japanese earned the medals. (in Asia)
Today, the game changed substantially. There are countless number of products by world known brands made in China, or getting OEM produced in China, equally high in standards as of those made in other countries, likely more expensive. To some extend, I agree on "you get what you paid for". But then, how do you know the product is not marked up to fool you on that? It is difficult choice in generally. People end up follow their belief on shopping.
You got to try before judge, if the risk is affordable which depends on your circumstances and background.
Regarding on Food Labels, I am unsure if the food labels even contains reliable details. Consumers (will) can do little to validate the data or simple too costly to send it to lab testing. If label isn't reliable or contain useful data then it is no more than a piece of marketing material. It applies to all products made in anywhere of the world. It is a confidence matter. You trust or you don't. (or you have options or you don't)
That is true, Chinese goods made to ship to first world countries are of different quality of goods made to ship elsewhere, fact!
Apple fanbois will say its great. everything else dirt cheap and nasty or YMMV
Made in China > Made in India - & many other much poorer countries
neg must be from biased patriot people
What you forgot is & should write is "Most things that Made in China which is electronic > "Thanks, understandable where the negs may come from. not saying China is the better country, it also has huge problems that need fixing
Ironically, I'm old enough to remember when "Made in Japan" was somewhat of a joke/slur…swings & roundabouts, guys! ;)
My dad says the same thing. Was there any truth to it or was it simply anti-Japanese sentiment post WWII?
Probably like the Made in China stuff today, bit of half truths mixed with some xenophobia.
The quality was bad, but no one ever doubted what the Japanese were capable of making the good stuff.
They used to say you had a Japanese bladder if you couldn't hold your pre..
Pre-pee?
You have some very old Balls, Stew!
China makes good but expensive products and cheap low quality products.
if you choose to pay for the cheap one, you get the low quality.
if you choose to pay for the expensive one ,you get the good quality.
you got what you pay for.
Some people hate made in China. but why dont they pay for the good quality one ? They pay shit price and hate the shit product and blame made it China. WTF?
Exactly right Zihengg - as it is with most things in the world you get what you pay for - and you can get pretty much the whole rainbow of quality from China.
Ive been importing from China for 15 years and as long as you are clear what you want you get a good product all the time.Also a a gold mine if you know where to find stuff (pretty easy actually).
How Australian think of "Made in China"
Wow a bit nieve their!
The answer to your question is: Using their Brain
My brain hurts from this.
Hmmm… OP…some of us are made in China….how do you reconcile that to your post?
China export produce that's grown in sub-standard conditions to Australia. China's Foreign Trade Office and its people know that Australian products such as:
- Red Meat
- Seafood
- Milk
- Produce
are AAA quality. Hence why there is massive export of our own Cherries (among other produce), Seafood, Milk, Baby Formula, etc whilst we get the garbage human-fertilizer produce full of e-coli.
Whilst there's no law broken, it's a major disadvantage to local people like myself because farmers will jack up the box of Cherries to $45/kg and if I don't like it, I can piss off as they will be exporting 50 tonnes to China for double that price.
What happens here?
Ecomonics mate, it sucks!
In fact the chinese manufacturers probably have invested quite a bit into their manufacturing technologies (e.g automation and robots)
From what I hear, they buy other companies stuff and copy that or use that as their research to skip expensive R&D.
It appears so, more than just sometimes. First, the fact is that China, all of Southeast Asia and most of the rest of the non-Western world has a culture of negotiating everything, all the time. This is very emotionally taxing to most Australians, primarily because they don't have to. Even the most avid OzBargainer isn't forced to do what happens daily in Asia. If westerners were as good at bargaining as they think they are, then every street vendor in <insert any cheap Asian holiday destination here> would be broke!
Secondly, it is exceedingly complex. But the main thing is because of the negotiability of (nearly) everything in countries with a high disparity of wealth, then that brings with it questions and answers that need to be addressed. A friend who is a board-level electronics aficionado told me that many consumer-grade (and other) electronic products made in China are often copied (obviously) but with the following interesting feature: parts are removed one by one, testing to see if there is any "perceivable" difference to the average consumer. This keeps going until it doesn't work, which is where it stops. Each removed part saves money and increases profitability. In countries like Australia where we have strict laws and standards pertaining to electronic goods, this seems unbelievable. It is so sad when a power spike fries a charger, transmitting a lethal amperage to an innocent person because their product didn't comply with Australian standards. That's the real cost…
Negotiations? I think the following is what undermines the integrity of Chinese brands and products:
Corruption. Bribery. Money laundering. Corner cutting and corporate espionage (stealing IP property)That's typical Chinese business mentality for you, and to be successfull they must be a ruthless unethical businessman. They cut cost at every avenue to maintain profits, and they don't maintain product safety standards, or worse, they fake it by paying government officials some 'hush money'.
we don't know if the stuff we're buying from China has been produced illegally in some way, without any regard for human safety, product safety and respect for intellectual property. But we buy them anyway because it's cheap, plus it makes for some competition which means the bigger guys have to innovate :)
To some degree your right - there are definitely areas in china where corruption and bribery play a big part in business activity - I'm glad to say that is reducing more and more as they become more and more open to western companies and scrutiny from western and eastern interests but it will always be there in some measure.
What we don't acknowledge often is there is also a large amount of corruption and receipt that comes from Australian importers that forces the producers over their to cut corners and the cycle continues - they should be made accountable for that and we as a culture should be more informed so we know that cheap products generally mean things are done that we would not like or support if we knew the facts but generally we just ignore that because it's cheap.
Thats the main reason Australian manufacturing has declined is that we wont pay the price - not because china is cheaper - we simply wont pay for a quality product produced in Australia - blame the government all you like for lowering tariffs but it's still our choice to buy Aus made and we don't.
I wrote a poem:
Chinese make shit stuffs,
Chinese make great stuffs,
I don't like to eat Chinese foods,
I love to eat Chinese girls.:)
Cannibal
Shit poem!
I am Australian born and bred (Caucasian) and get the feeling most people think cheap products are generally crap and since China make most of the cheapest products, China's products = crap.
I firmly believe they can make some great stuff too. Especially when it is 'designed in California'…
I love Sea-gull watches, excellent VFM and very accurate. Just waiting for two more to arrive from China. http://www.seagullwatch.com/productlb.asp?id=65 I'm a dinky di Aussie Pom.
There's a massive variation in Chinese made products. Anything from bargain base to luxury end products can be made in China. End result ultimately comes down to it's QC. So much to the point where one can arguably say a product's country of origin has considerably less relationship on its quality than the QC that the manufacturer has invested into the product line.
However the counter argument is that there can be a relationship on the country of origin and a product's level of QC. With China, the relationship isn't always consistent, if at all.
Most Australians think we dont make anything here, but thats simply untrue. For example Australian stuff is the best quality in the areas it works in, just like Germany and many other places. Everybody in the world knows if it says Made in Australia its quality and wont ever be worried about poor quality of dying from it. What will the future hold, im not sure but i think Australia will remain the best because unlike the rest of the world, we live in the best environment and in peace something you just cant buy.
Apple products
"Designed in USA"
"Assembled in China"
Lol
If it was 'Assembled in usa' would it make any difference at all? probably not..
RRP will be higher.
Yes, the whole labor cost etc. Quality is the more interesting point here & is what spn was most likely hinting at
@shadUber:
You asked "at all". Answer is yes, price.I agree there probably won't be difference in product reliability between American made and Chinese made Apple products. Apple does great job on QC in overall.
@shadUber: Their initial move to china was due to higher profit margin including rents, interest on borrowed money. Wages was not at all a major factor.
The reason is that chinese could manufacture electronics in precise. Labor costs is not the only factor, it is also in dependent on the skill or experience or educational level of operaters.Compared to china, Vietnam and India are superior in terms of labor costs and systems. But it is hard to maintain they could produce.
Apple products
"Designed in USA"
"Assembled in China"Brought you by Apple, an Irish company
i dont mind,if it helps china. side note if you are Chinese, and see this, do you get annoyed to come to Australia, buy a Aussie souvenir and see that it was made in china?
Chinese go overseas to buy cheap iPhone and take them back to China…
The silliness of the Chinese economy.
To the idiots that keep parroting the same crap: "Made in China isn't always bad, look at iPhone and iPad"
It clearly tells you that it's designed in California, the design attributes to most of a piece of hardware's success, then build quality/assembly with high quality parts.
Apple has designed the iPhone and sourced it's screen, aluminium block, buttons, sensors etc and asked the managers of Foxconn to get their staff to "assemble it". If you can't assemble a product than you have issues.
I guess most if not all of electronic devices on my desk are made in China and this is quality stuff. But as noted above, they are products of reputable brands who manage and control the manufacturing process. When I encounter a native Chinese effort to produce something it is (with a few exceptions) usually laughable. Like those fake Philips headphones that turned out to be mono! Obviously, people behind them had no clue what they were doing, producing them was just a money making cargo cult ritual.
What!!! There's stuff made outside of China??
Having traveled overseas and brought clothes in Europe and America (some of which are going on for 7-8 years old) there is no comparison. I buy clothes in Australia Made in China, Bangladesh etc., they are rubbish, go out of shape and fall apart. I generally don't buy clothes here anymore, I just wait until I go overseas.
When if comes to food produced in China. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Having seen the way they fish (and it's not just China) and the damage they cause to the environment, have gone back to shopping at a local fish monger where the produce is more expensive but Australian caught, and also is sustainably caught.
As for food manufactured on factory lines in China and asia generally - I avoid it at all costs. The level of hygiene and adherence to food safety standards is a joke. (Last scare was frozen berries if I remember.)
Even the chinese don't trust their own food manufacturers hence the reason items such as baby formula etc., are so popular here in Australia and sent overseas by family / friends etc.,
Notwithstanding, that cheap is not always best. I want products that will last and be safe. Every time I have to chuck something, is another thing on landfill. I'm well and over mindless consumerism.
I've been involved in aerospace companies that have had locations in China. You would be horrified to know what goes on. However the most successful way of combating quality problems seems to have been to put an expat in charge of it. It didn't seem to matter where they were from in the world, as long as they weren't used to doing business "in the usual way" in that country. This same rule applied to all of the facilities located through Asia and the Middle East. Sites with a local QM / GM would have chronic quality problems. The point is that it's not just China - all low and medium cost countries are the same.
Avoiding certain products that are "Made in China" is practically impossible unless you are willing to spend a large chunk of extra effort to do it. Let's be honest here; a majority of people will pick a product not made from China if they were given a choice, but since production prices are so cheap and efficient in China, we are often not given this choice.
Pay the extra money and buy from a trusted/major brand. Either they will be made from a different country or still be made in China, but they will have stricter QCs and warranties so if anything goes wrong you have a place to argue to.
As for food, food from China is definitely a no-no; The amount of air pollution in China turns the sky there grey. A large population of China are also uneducated, they will do the unthinkable just to make a few extra dollars at the end of the day. I'd pay extra to support local farmers and eat fresh produce.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
"China is a socialist market with Chinese characteristics" they said
But them having a capitalist market with American-style corruption is just as trueLOL, you know too much :)
There's a difference between "Made in China" and "Designed in China".
Well it all depends, if you just want a cheap shovel or something then Chinese is ok, but when your in hospital and your life depends on it, everybody wants equipment from America or UK or Germany, because its the very best.