Admission into University (medicine and engineering)

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  zolinger on 31/01/2016 - 02:19

  Id be concerned if you actually studied medicine because it appears that you're aim isnt health but money. As far as I know, an orthopedist does not exist. Better person to speak to is a career councillor who more than likely will be ableto answer your questions.

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    Raj Jayswal on 31/01/2016 - 02:23

    Its not really about the money. I have an intereast for becoming a Heart Specialist, Orthopaedic surgeons or becoming an Aeronautical ENgineer…. tell me if u know any ways into MEdicine…. But I am lettign go of the HEart Specialist option for personal reasons….

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    Raj Jayswal on 31/01/2016 - 02:26

    SOrry zolinger. i meant Orthopaedic surgeons….. and I have a rising intereast in Aeronautical ENgineering but have had intereast in medicine from childhood….

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  lolz112 on 31/01/2016 - 02:54

  +8

  Don't want to shoot down your hopes but if you are asking about the requirements for medicine you probably aren't going to make it. Medicine is extremely competitive and usually the people who get into medicine know the requirements a lot earlier than the start of year 12 so that they can prepare.

  To answer your question, the requirements for medicine are usually at least 98+ ATAR, 90 minimum for the umat and usually an interview. It changes from university to university and on each university website you can find out the minimum requirements to be considered.

  Post graduate wise it can be easier to get in, but it usually means you have do a science degree or a biomedicine degree. If you don't get in then you could be stuck with a degree that doesn't get you a job. There are however opportunities in other health areas.

  In regards to your aerospace engineering question, it is easier to get into that degree but it is still competitive. Not quite sure the ATAR range but I would think you would looking at 95+.

  I think it might be a good idea to talk to your school's career counselor. The two degrees you have listed are very different and it seems to me that you haven't really thought about it deeply/found out enough information. I understand at your age it might be difficult to know what you want to do, but to me it seems like you have just thought about idea of the degree rather than the work that is required to get there and the pros and cons of both futures.

  Good luck and all the best. I hope you don't take this as discouragement, but if you want to get into either know that you're going to have to put a lot more work into it.

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  Amaris on 31/01/2016 - 07:35

  +3

  Again trying not to discourage you but once you become a doctor Othopaedic Surgery is one of the most difficult training programs to get into. I'm not in Orthopaedics but have spoken to/ seen the career of guys doing it.
  After your internship and residency years you have to apply to get into the program. For one thing your CV needs to be strong with lots of research and appointments to show the powers that be that you are actually interested in Orthopaedics. More that that however you need very good references and that usually means lots of non-accredited years as a registrar. I have seen people wait 5-6 years working as non-accredited registrars before they get accepted. After that it is usually 5 or so years and often another year as a fellow before one gets a hospital job as a surgeon. So it is very long-haul!

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  Hellfire on 31/01/2016 - 09:06

  +3

  They are basically zero aeronautical engineering jobs in Australia. You'll be spending most of your career working overseas.

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  InfraRed on 31/01/2016 - 09:07

  +1

  Aerospace engineering is really specialised. Job prospects are bleak unless you are elite at a Uni level so I would not recommend it from a job prospects stand point.

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  shaybisc on 31/01/2016 - 09:10

  +1

  Don't they career advisors at school any more? Anyway all the admission requirements and everything else under the Sun is online.

  Keep studying Emglish, maths and chemistry, ace your exams, voila.

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  Vampyr on 31/01/2016 - 09:17

  I think you need to speak to some people in the jobs you mentioned. They are very different careers.

  FYI:

  Orthopaedic surgeons are usually large, strong males.

  As mentioned above, job prospects are tough with aerospace eng.

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  Candour on 31/01/2016 - 10:03

  -1

  the sydney morning herlad just noted that you can get into medicine with sub par scores at UWS.
  unless you have a passion for any job it can be hell.
  talk to the universities and get an idea.
  ring them.
  if you join the defence forces you could get by on lower scores.
  but the forces are know for abuse, harassment and bullying and worse so be careful what you wish for.

  be a doctor first and see if you can hack the pressure.
  then specialise
  unless you love what you do life at work can be a hell.
  all the best.

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    captobvious on 31/01/2016 - 11:46

    Abuse, harassment and bullying can happen in any workplace and at any university.
    I was an ADFA grad. Its not that bad, we don't ram broomsticks up each others asses anymore. The main thing is understanding that the military is command and control and there is a hierarchy and depending where you are, just do your job. It the most fun you will have in your career with your pants on or off.

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      Candour on 31/01/2016 - 12:28

      god to know. the news reports which are still current on the sydney morning herald about this are worrying though.

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        captobvious on 31/01/2016 - 12:56

        Government is transparent, they always get scrutinized heavier than a private firm, who can hide allegations a lot easier.

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    iamnikon on 02/02/2016 - 19:47

    Hello, Western Sydney medicine student here who is mildly vexed.

    The reports about universities allowing students into courses below the ATAR cut-off (as far as I know) have not included Medicine, because ATAR is not the only (or even main) requirement. You have to have done well in the UMAT and an in-person interview, so there is not actually an "ATAR cut-off". I had friends who had 99+ ATARs and didn't get a UMAT score high enough to get an interview at Western Sydney. I've even had a friend who got an interview at almost every undergrad med school, bombed her interviews and didn't get into any of them. I can't speak for the entry difficulty of other courses at Western Sydney, including Medical Science, which is vastly different but may have sparked your confusion.

    Medicine, no matter the university is very, very competitive. The majority of my cohort are non-school leavers with some sort of health science background, because it's getting harder and harder for high school students to get the marks, UMAT score and experience to do well in the interview.

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      Raj Jayswal on 02/02/2016 - 20:09

      kk. thanks

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        iamnikon on 02/02/2016 - 20:24

        Sorry, that was more in response to the comment by Peccadilloes than to your post.

        But as mentioned above, it's hard to figure out "cut-offs" for medicine. I would definitely recommend you do your own research into how different med schools weight the ATAR/UMAT/interviews, but the suggestions by lolz112 (98+ ATAR, 90 UMAT, interviews) holds mostly true.

        The UMAT is unfortunately usually during/around the time of Year 12 trials, so a lot of people struggle with the extra study.

        https://www.amsa.org.au/about/contact-us/ If you scroll down to "AMSA Council", there is a list of all Australian med schools - undergrad and postgrad.

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  ProspectiveDarkness on 02/02/2016 - 12:49

  +1

  You think you're capable of getting into these courses, but can't research them yourself? You're literally asking other people to research multiple degrees, both undergraduate and postgraduate, from universities across the country and world. Maybe narrow it down to a state, at the very least, and come back to us.

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    Raj Jayswal on 02/02/2016 - 20:09

    I have done my research. I was just asking if u guys know any other ways…. thanks for your contribution….

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  [Deactivated] on 02/02/2016 - 20:33

  I'm sorry dude, but given your average at best English skills, I don't really see that you have any chance of becoming an Orthopaedic Surgeon, given that it is probably the most desirable and hardest to get into of all the specialisms. They will also see right through you and realise you are only picking the extremely highly paid specialisms.

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  AlanHB on 08/02/2016 - 15:40

  It's great that you have set some goals for the end of your schooling.

  As stated above, both degrees will require you to employ heavy research skills, so you can start practicing by looking up the pathways yourself.

  This site should help:

  www.google.com

  Good luck!