Why Gift Cards Are a Scam

Whilst there's some discussion going on around DSE and their gift card fiasco, I just thought I'd write a bit of a primer about why gift cards (in general) are a scam.

First, let's start off with some Finance 101. Skip this if you have some basic understanding of economics and finance.

"The higher the risk, the higher the reward". Simply speaking, the risk you face is the likelihood of financial loss you might incur if the entity goes insolvent. The principle is that creditors are paid first (i.e. people who loaned them money) and shareholders are paid last (i.e. people who invested money in the entity). There are two types of creditors - secured creditors and unsecured creditors. This refers to whether a creditor can seize assets of the entity should it go insolvent. If you have a mortgage, that is a secured loan - if you go bankrupt, they'll take your house. If you have a personal loan, that would most likely be unsecured. The risk of a secured loan (for the lender) is much lower, thus, they will be willing to lend at a lower cost (i.e. lower interest rate).

So what are Gift Cards?

Gift cards are unsecured loans - when you buy a gift card, you become an unsecured creditor to the firm. This means that you are lending them money.

Why are Gift Cards scams?

Lending money to someone without receiving interest means that they are scamming you. On top of the obvious fact that gift cards do not have to be honoured should a business go insolvent, there are also many other clauses such as gift cards having to be used by a certain date. This all adds up to Gift Cards being sold at full cost to be a scam.

If you would not lend a particular business money without charging them interest, then do not buy a gift card from them, you're doing the same thing.

What about Gift Cards sold at a discount?

You have to be careful with this. Firms are always looking for the cheapest way to raise money in order to reduce their cost of capital. On top of that, also remember that often when firms are desperate for cash, it means that they are about to go insolvent. Note that insolvency does not have anything to do with profits or accounting numbers. Solvency is your ability to be able to pay debts as they fall due, this means that you have to have cash on hand to pay your debts. Think of it as you needing to pay a debt today, but you only get your paycheck tomorrow. You might earn $10,000,000,000 tomorrow, but if you can't meet your debt obligations, you're insolvent even if you might turn billions in profit that year.

Obviously, gift cards are a very good way of raising capital in a very quick and efficient way. If you sell gift cards at a 5% discount, people will flock in to purchase them. Many will spend them straight away, which isn't ideal, but ultimately isn't bad for a struggling business because you're converting inventory to cash. Then there is the ideal situation which are the people who hold their gift cards hoping for a sale (that might never come, as in DSE's case, they've gone out of business).

But why gift cards? Because many consumers are uninformed and easy to cheat. How much due diligence would a bank take before loaning a firm some money vs. a consumer duped into buying gift cards before Christmas? Who is easier to con into giving you the quick cash you need?

What is the solution?

Stop lending money without doing due research. Every time you buy a gift card, think of it as lending someone money. If you would not lend them money, do not buy a gift card from them. If you would not lend someone money prior to checking their financial statements, then do not buy a gift card from them without doing so.

I do believe that this is an area in which people can be further informed, e.g. it might be better if gift cards came with specific statements which made it very clear the customer's position as an unsecured creditor and that in the case of insolvency, they would not be honoured until after secured creditors have been paid.

I would also advise people to start giving cash. Personally, I have never received a more stupid gift than gift cards. If you buy me a $50 gift card, I'd rather you just give me $50 in cash. If you insist on buying gift cards, only buy from major, major firms such as Coles Myer. I would honestly steer you towards buying a prepaid Visa card or something like that rather than a gift card, however.

Comments

  • +1

    Yeah cheeeeers obviously have too much time on your hands. Personally I've never heard anyone buy a gift card for anything less than face value.

    • +5

      You must've been born yesterday if you've "never heard anyone".

  • Although you are theoretically correct, I now pose to you the question of why do we prepay anything? Myki's public transport ticketing system runs on a prepaid system where to put money on your card to ride and 90% of the time people will have more than adequate balance to ride more than once. Essentially they use your prepaid money to just rack up interest. "use it or lose it"

    And a Visa prepaid card is still the same as a gift card, although the options of where you can use it are wider, making you contradict yourself.
    A visa prepaid card still expires and Visa still benefits from your prepaid money by accumulating interest.

    Cash is the way to go.
    But I agree, a visa prepaid card is the way to go in terms of getting gift cards. Visa is a bigger company and their pre paid cards are only getting more popular

    • Although you are theoretically correct, I now pose to you the question of why do we prepay anything?

      I try not to wherever possible, e.g. I purchase weekly passes for Myki because they're essentially the same price as purchasing multiple weeks. I know you get some sort of a discount when purchasing yearly, but I've never given that much thought.

      However, in saying that - there are generally many means of protection when the majority of people work with credit. For example, employees work on credit, as they are paid some time after they have worked, not on a continuous basis. However, the law mandates that employees are paid even if a company goes insolvent, for example.

      The problem with gift cards is that it's an industry which is very loosely regulated. Many people who buy gift cards are unaware of the risks and this is what I am advocating for - that gift cards come with warnings and clear terms so that people are aware of what they are actually getting themselves into.

    • You do realize Visa aren't the liability holders of the Visa prepaid cards right?
      Those cards are usually issued by Tiny institutions, with Visa only acting as the network…
      If the tiny institution (i.e. Indue) goes bust, then bye bye Visa Prepaid…

  • A gift card bought for face value is no better than what Centrelink dishes out for some if its clients - a gift card with restrictions (http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/centrelink…).

    Frankly, if a gift isn't sentimental, comical or something that's been extremely hard to source it's basically a salute to consumerism. Thanks to some effective marketing, a gift card is seen as more thoughtful than cash in a lot of western cultures but it's basically cash with restrictions.

    "Hey Joe, I got you a gift card to a gym and some teeth whitening deal from Scoopon because it looks like you really let yourself go."

  • /conspiracy keanu. No one is going to defend the honour of gift cards. We're well aware that they're only really good for two things: discounts, and unimaginative gifting. That's why stores offer merch cards as a back-up, and why 'sorry, store credit only' is something you'll hear in retail. Not exactly mind-blowing.

  • +2

    I don't think there are too many people that would disagree with the OPs sentiment; I certainly give people cash now, rather than gift cards. The issue of discount gift cards for your own use is a more interesting one. In December I bought the DSE discounted gift cards because I wanted to buy a new iPad Mini4. I went straight from buying them at Coles to the DSE store to buy the iPad; total loan time was 1/2 an hour and risk was quite low. When I want to top up my Apple account I wait until the cards are discounted because that happens quite regularly and Apple is a pretty safe bet. What really stank, with DSE, was how quickly they cut off the ability to use up the gift cards - in the past for places, like Borders, there were grace periods or the ability to use the cards if you also pay cash for an item; this was pretty heartless. Also doing this just after Christmas, where people may have bought the cards for gifts, was also pretty low. A salutory lesson for all of us.

  • Why Gift Cards Are a Scam?

    Glass half full dude.

    I always thought 5% Wow egiftcards were possible because Wow make more than 5% from expired, lost, unspent balances of their cards. Anyone know if this is right?

    These things are devaluation of money on their sale.

    For Bent Dick Smith not to honour their prepaid Giftcards as money owed to creditors, payable first with other debt. Shows just what a con the giftcard scheme is.

    Oh well let the buyer beware I guess.

    • +3

      Estimates suggest between 2% - 30% of giftcards are not redeemed. (I searched the following Word Doc for you)

      http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/Publications…

      • +2

        That's brilliant Quinn. Thanks a million.

        The immediately following comment in the document aims at a more solid industry-based finding of Aus giftcard breakages.

        "Industry analysts have indicated that the average breakage for the industry is between 6 and 7 per cent"

        So with expiry of 12 months typically, and being restricted to a single store, and consumer losses, these cards could be considered to have a real world purchase devaluation of 20 or 30% or so.

        Again thanks.

        • No worries. Cheers for the gratitude.

    • +1

      It's similar to pubs/clubs that offer things like a "$50 drink card".

      The real value of a $50 drink card may only be $15-20 or even less depending on individual circumstances.

      Consider that that $50 drink card might buy 6 standard drinks.

      Clubs might buy a bottle of spirits for $40 (or cheaper due to bulk purchases).

      That means each standard drink costs $1.60.

      6 x $1.60 = $9.60 cost (plus small amount for labour/soft-drink/electricity/etc) for that $50 card - so they can sell them even for $40 and still make a large profit.

      Store gift cards assume a percentage going to waste. Also as mentioned can be used for a small free loan for them too. Also assume they are used - it means that they will definitely be used at their store and not a competitor where cash may be.

  • +1

    if you bought from a groupbuy website or funded using credit card then you might be able to get your money back. in this case it is not a truely unsecured loan.

  • Ultimately, I think it's an argument for risk/reward.

    1. Never buy a gift card unless you are getting a better deal on it. E.g. $40 Amex statement credit with $200 purchase at David Jones.
    2. Consider the "credit-worthiness" of the company whose gift card you're buying… DS was ringing all sorts of alarm bells with their "crazy" clearance sale. I was not tempted when Woolies and Coles offered 10% extra credit on the DS gift cards for the same reason.
    3. Spend the gift card relatively quickly, not just because there is a risk of a company going under, but also because you are less likely to forget that you have the gift card and the credit later gets forfeited! :(
  • Thanks for the investigative report Adele. Is this ur next four corners story?

    There are far more egregious scams than a humble gift card. Dick smith should be shot for selling their gift cards as a form of finance, but 99% of gift cards are bono fide genuinely sold as gifts that honor their value.

    Same cant be said for major financial planners by banks, or student visa scams. Those are the real scams.

    • 99% of gift cards are bono fide genuinely sold as gifts that honor their value

      This. (But probably a higher percentage….99.8%?)

    • Dick smith should be shot for selling their gift cards as a form of finance, but 99% of gift cards are bono fide genuinely sold as gifts that honor their value.

      But I think the concept of giving a gift card is strange. You have $50, so you go and "buy something" that restricts the $50 such that it can only be spent at a particular place. Why you would want to purchase something that is actually adding negative value is beyond me.

      What I'm trying to get at here is that gift cards have profited from a culture that finds it taboo to give cash as a present. If you consider other markets (e.g. Asian) in cultures where it is less taboo to give cash as a gift, then you'll see that there is no gift card industry.

      You can say what you want about gift cards and the chances they will be honoured, but what do you get from a gift card? What value are you getting from that economic transaction?

      • What u r trying to say is there is a taboo in giving cash, and hence u conclude there is a scam going on.

        Please change ur entire thread. It's completely BS.

        • What u r trying to say is there is a taboo in giving cash, and hence u conclude there is a scam going on.

          So you think that it's okay for people who don't know how gift cards work to lose their money? I think there's a clear scam going on when DSE tries pushing their gift cards before Christmas when it's clear that they would have been aware of their financial situation well before this happening.

          The fact that this only happened with Border's recently as well signals a much larger problem, that the gift card industry is one where consumers are very ill-informed, in thinking that they can always use their gift cards and one that isn't very well regulated given that companies in dire financial straits, who would not be able to obtain any sort of loan, can be allowed to sell off gift cards to finance their operations.

          I believe that gift cards are a large vehicle for scams because of these reasons. The fact that you would say it is okay to let firms who are in dire financial straits to obtain cheap credit at the expense of the unknowing public is bizarre. Do you really think that it is okay for DSE and Border's to do what they did and that there is no regulation or warning regarding the issue?

        • @paulsterio:

          So two companies in the last handful of years went bust and happened to offer gift cards as part of their business, and u call all gift cards a scam. I can probably name 100 other business that honor their gift cards scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong.

          Not too differently if u were to label car drivers murderous because approx 400 people in Australia are killed on the roads each and EVERY year. When approximately a million other car users do the right thing.

          For ur question, no I don't think it's ok for people to lose their money from gift cards, but nor do I think anyone should die on the roads. But I ain't name calling either way coz I know that's just silly, the same with your thread, just silly.

        • @cloudy:

          So two companies in the last handful of years went bust and happened to offer gift cards as part of their business, and u call all gift cards a scam. I can probably name 100 other business that honor their gift cards scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong.

          An economic transaction occurs when there is a transfer of value, i.e. I spend an amount of money and I get something in return. What do you get in return when you purchase a gift card? Absolutely nothing, yet you face the risk of the company going broke.

          I think it's easy for you to sit there and say that this is stupid or that is stupid, but that's not the sentiment of most average consumers. Talk to the people who have been duped by DSE, talk to the people who were talked into buying a gift card and had no idea of what it actually meant and what they were entitled to.

          Sure, you can have a "put up or shut up" mentality, but that doesn't solve the issue. Get over the issue of semantics and if you genuinely agree with the fact that it's not okay for people to lose money from gift cards, then why don't you suggest something which can help resolve the issue?

          I believe that there ought to be regulation and guarantees. When you put money in a savings account in an Australian bank, your savings deposits are government guaranteed (to a certain amount). There are strict liquidity and capital requirements on banks because of their important position in the economy and the fact that they hold a very large amount of most people's money. There is no such restriction with gift cards.

          My suggestions are that gift cards need to be regulated. There needs to be regulation pertaining to the labelling of gift cards and the terms and conditions, which postulates clearly that by purchasing a giftcard, the customer is becoming an unsecured creditor to the firm and that their gift card is only valid so long as the firm is still solvent. I bet if that was placed on gift cards, many people would think twice about purchasing them.

          The second thing I would like to see is a requirement for stores to hold the balance of outstanding giftcards in liquid assets and for that amount to be protected for consumers in the case of insolvency or liquidity issues. I feel that this would decrease the risks for consumers who (unknowingly) purchase gift cards.

          I won't use the word scam, because you seem to take offence (which is fine, no problem) and the fact that what is a "scam" is somewhat of a value judgement. However, what I will say is that gift cards are a negative value purchase. It always will be a negative transaction because you are giving up the ability to spend $X elsewhere for no economic gain (I refer to GCs bought at face value). Thus, I think you'd have to be an idiot to purchase a gift card at face value, but idiot or not, we need to protect those who don't know any better (as we often do in society).

        • @paulsterio:

          Wow, you see this from such a narrow and one sided view, the view of what value does someone get from buying a gift card. Firstly, I don't buy gift cards, coz I, like you see no value in gifts, like you, I'd prefer cash. But on the same token, I haven't had any luck convincing EVERYONE the lack of value of wrapping paper and cards. Like why buy something like paper, just so it's ripped off?
          But what I've learnt over time is, there is value, just because I don't recognize it, doesn't mean there is no value. The fact it is sold, and continues to be sold and used and gifted as such proves there is value. So who am I, or we, to say there is no value in such an item, if people continue to buy it.

          Sorry, that was a long firstly. Second, a point you hadn't mentioned, is the cost of gift cards to the retailer. It actually has a cost for the retailer, call it JB, to print, distribute, have the middle men( Coles , woolies, etc) to sell and pass the funds (minus commission) back to the retailer. So clearly, this product, that is sold, has a cost to the organisation, is providing some value to the consumer. Let's not discount that.

          And lastly, the way to protect yourself from this problem, as already mentioned, is just to buy this product with your credit card, so u can chargeback if anything happens. Done deal, no complicated solutions as u suggest.

          I have a sense you have a good heart for what should be done for the good of society, but I've seen good men do real harm. You strike me as one of them.

        • @cloudy:

          Wow, you see this from such a narrow and one sided view, the view of what value does someone get from buying a gift card. Firstly, I don't buy gift cards, coz I, like you see no value in gifts, like you, I'd prefer cash.

          Great, so you see my point of view.

          But on the same token, I haven't had any luck convincing EVERYONE the lack of value of wrapping paper and cards. Like why buy something like paper, just so it's ripped off?

          No, there is value in wrapping paper and cards. Someone manufactured the piece of wrapping paper out of some sort of raw materials (same goes with the card) and you are paying for that. With gift cards, what are you spending money on? Nothing.

          But what I've learnt over time is, there is value, just because I don't recognize it, doesn't mean there is no value. The fact it is sold, and continues to be sold and used and gifted as such proves there is value. So who am I, or we, to say there is no value in such an item, if people continue to buy it.

          Value is not subjective. There is no economic value derived from a gift card. What can you do with a gift card that you could not do before? Nothing. Thus, there is no value. Simple.

          Sorry, that was a long firstly. Second, a point you hadn't mentioned, is the cost of gift cards to the retailer. It actually has a cost for the retailer, call it JB, to print, distribute, have the middle men( Coles , woolies, etc) to sell and pass the funds (minus commission) back to the retailer. So clearly, this product, that is sold, has a cost to the organisation, is providing some value to the consumer. Let's not discount that.

          Well given that Treasury has reported that up to 30% of gift cards are not redeemed, of course they want to engage in this business.

          And lastly, the way to protect yourself from this problem, as already mentioned, is just to buy this product with your credit card, so u can chargeback if anything happens. Done deal, no complicated solutions as u suggest.

          This is not always the case, chargebacks are not always perfect and you know this to be the case.

          I have a sense you have a good heart for what should be done for the good of society, but I've seen good men do real harm. You strike me as one of them.

          Well what I advocate for is informational symmetry which is a well accepted and well documented way of achieving market efficiency. I don't know if you've ever studied economics (I'm an economist), but this is a genuine problem because people who buy a gift card do not know that they are becoming creditors to the company. It is very different to someone purchasing a bond or debenture (or whatever they're called, I'm not a financial analyst), but the point is the intention is clearly very different and I think there ought to be some sort of a notification that makes sure people understand this.

          Again, like I said before, I think if people were aware that they could be at a loss if the firm were to go under a bus, they might think twice about buying a gift card. The average person is not aware of this and I believe they ought to be. I'm not proposing that we ban gift cards or anything like that, I just want people to be more informed when they make a purchase and to be more aware of the risks.

          As for gift cards being a scam, well that's my personal opinion, which I think you somewhat agree with as you don't purchase them either, but it's not really the point I'm trying to make.

  • +3

    You do have to wonder whether the discounted DSE giftcards were a means to increase cash flow in order to prop up the business over Christmas. Lot of cash floods in, with the idea that chances are they won't ever be honouring maybe 50% off them. It's so damn shady.

    But honestly, if I had been given a DSE giftcard for Christmas I would have run to the shops, not walked, in order to use it up. Even if I had nothing in mind, I'd purchase something I could quickly convert back to cash like a FitBit or Apple gadget.

  • I'm unclear how it's a (quote) "scam" when:

    • the price is known
    • the risks are understood
    • both parties are enter into the transaction in good faith

    Clearly, stores sell gift cards because they are commercially viable. Putting the lost/non-redeemed situation to one side, there is another upside for the issuer and (often) consumers. The instant liquidity from gift card sales, while not technically representing an increase in working capital (due to the associated liability), does allow them to negotiate spectacular spot purchasing deals with some suppliers.

    • It's pretty murky whether DSE "entered into the transaction in good faith"

      • +1

        It's pretty murky whether DSE "entered into the transaction in good faith"

        Firstly, the OP all-but-parked DSE for the purpose of this thread to discuss gift cards in general.

        But now you've brought it up, if anyone is suggesting that the directors of Dick Smith Holdings knowingly traded while insolvent then they want to line up and share their evidence. Under the Defamation Act, company directors can (and will) take action if they see cause to.

        I know a lot of people have been casting aspersions around corporate conduct in this thread. So this is more of a general word of caution to all, rather than you specifically, Scuba :-)

        • +1

          That's precisely why I used the word Murky.

      • Wll, dick smith sells the gift cards, and it's the banks who look at the cash in bank and pulls the plug on dicks finances for breach of covenants.

        So the two entities are separate, but the fact they sold gift cards, at a 10% discount from normal, was done in desperation for finance. This was not a everyday deal, this is a desperate move. And burnt those who thought they could nab a bargain.

    • in dse's case, they were flogging off gift cards on scoopon etc two weeks before they became insolvent. dse would have been fully aware of its dire financial position.

    • Everything's a scam these days. Your apples are 50c more expensive than the other shop? Oh what a scam!

    • the risks are understood

      I don't believe that they are. You might know the risks and that's good (I do too, which is why I wouldn't purchase a gift card), however, many people who buy gift cards do not understand this.

      This is why it makes hot news every time someone stops accepting gift cards.

      I'm not one of those idiots who believe that a scam is simply charging more for something, I do believe that there is some sort of an informational asymmetry when you purchase a gift card as the company knows its financial situation, but as a consumer, you have access to very little, unlike if they were to take a loan from a bank.

  • +2

    Hi, yes I have this money, it is accepted everywhere and I was wondering if you could lock it down to this one store for a limited time and yes I am a moron

    • I am sorry Sir/Madam,

      We only accept Dicksmith giftcards at this fine establishment.

  • +1

    Agreed, also I reckon Gift cards are dumb, why restrict the person you give it to to only one store.

    What I did this xmas for a mate, I wasn't sure what to get and running out of time so I cut a small credit card sized piece of plain cardboard and wrote "Ultimate Universal Gift Card" on it. On the back, I attached the cash I wanted to give them. Wrapped it up with a little bit of xmas paper and done. Worked well and good for a laugh too ( only do this with people with good sense of humour of course :D )

    • +1

      I am going to steal that idea.

      My friends pooled a few hundred for our friends for their wedding present.
      We were arguing back and forth and I said lets just give them cash. If it is good enough for the chinese, it is good enough for us.

      I said, "Either cash, or itune vouchers. there is 20% off, so they get $600 of itunes."
      We ended up giving a visa prepaid card.

  • A scam? What, even the ones for discounted groceries and fuel?

  • I heard that gift card is also a way for an employer give to their employee without being taxable income.

    It is interesting to see how these dicksmith case will change people perception on gift card.

    Thanks for the comprehensive post.

  • gift cards are an alternate store of value. They're far more efficient than cash to give to someone, unless the receiver is in the same room as you.

    My daughter loves them. It gives her an excuse to go shopping. Cash could have been used to pay a bill. A store card has no other purpose than to let her get something she'll like. The perfect gift in her opinion.

  • only time to buy a gift card is if discounted and using the same day, week at best, otherwise why bother
    as an unsecured debt, you will only get X CENTS BACK in the dollar,

    instead of buying a gift card as a gift, just tell the recipient you will pay it when they actually go, ie credit from you… not very aesthetic as a gift, but logical

    good guys did the same thing dse did 2 years ago, they needed cash bad

  • I think gift cards are fine but you have to be aware that until you use them, it's effectively an IOU from that particular shop. So you need to have a firm belief that the shop has the ability to pay you back/remain solvent.

    The best gift cards are ones that can be used across an entire shopping center as you are not reliant on one shop remaining solvent. As someone else said on another thread - best to use the gift card as soon as you possibly can.

    This also applies to other vouchers such as Groupon and Restaurant Vouchers etc.

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