Be Careful with HTC and Warranty - Personal Experience

Hey guys, before I start I have learnt and will not purchase anything HTC any more so please no negative comments in that direction. This post serves to explain what happened to me and it may warn others of ending up in the same situation.

It all started last year (2014) in February when I read Google was bringing out the Nexus 9. I'd never owned a "PURE" Android device and this was rumoured to be the fastest Android tablet released yet. I hate bloatware and waiting for updates. Most of the handsets I'd ever owned for example are Telstra ones and you guys probably know how long it takes to get ANY updates at all for their handsets. I for once just wanted something which I thought would be nice for myself and started saving up.

At the end of October - the Google web site finally had the device for sale from 3 outlets. Best Buy, Amazon and Google themselves. Best Buy would not ship to Australia, And Amazon was almost $100 US cheaper so I chose them. The device arrived a couple of weeks later. I was firstly over the moon but within a few weeks I had the (common) problem of the Gyro getting stuck. After contacting Amazon and ensuring I could get a replacement before I left on my holiday 4th December, they sent a replacement AND arranged for me to have a larger return Window so I could return the faulty unit after I got back from holiday. This all went smoothly. The display was not as nice as the first one (a bit of back light bleed) but the device otherwise seemed pretty flawless.

In February THIS year I started getting almighty crashes where (now discovered to be when the battery drops below 58% and playing intensive 3D games) the device gets a white screen, nothing else works, and it emits a very high pitched tone at very high volume. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiMApKHSz2Q. Sometimes the device would shut down spontaneously (telling me the battery was empty at 84%), sometimes the sound would just stop. Restarting the app works. Sometimes it would just reboot out of nowhere.

I contacted HTC AUSTRALIA to start with and see what could be done. Unfortunately I got the usual factory reset/hard reset which I did perform. While on the phone the problem did not recur (at the time I did not know it only happened when the charge was lower). They kept referring to my device as a handset and asking for IEMI (it's wireless only which I had to clarify time and time again) so they weren't all that competent, and did not really realise they were dealing with a tablet. The games and apps I use are quite large so re-installing them literally takes a day or more over my ADSL1 connection.

Anyway I didn't really get anywhere but with 1 year warranty thought I would tackle it if it got worse.

By May it did.

This time I got on to Amazon and asked for an exchange as I was now sure in myself it was hardware issues. They explained I was outside the 90 day return window, and the device is now in HTC hands. They gave me HTC Australia's number (yay!). When I explained I'd been there they did sympathize and at least returned some of my money (about $120 US from memory), but other than that there was nothing they could do anymore. HTC needed to cover the warranty.

Anyway this went on and on.

At the start of this month I decided to give it one more good hard try as the warranty will run out at the end of this month. I called GOOGLE. They were FAR more helpful, acknowledged it was probably a hardware issue, but could not do anything. Even though they promote the device I purchased it from a LINK and their store, not their store itself and said HTC needed to cover the warranty. They passed me straight through to HTC US.

After a 45 minute conversation HALLELUJAH they agreed to replace the device. HOWEVER, their policy states they cannot post the replacement to Australia, and kept asking for a US address. I do not have anyone that lives in the US, and with the original freight TO the US (about $100 - Aus Post won't touch it as it has a battery), and if I used a freight forwarder to get it returned it would cost almost as much (especially with the aussie dollar) to get it back.

I said as much and they said to call back at after midnight to see if I could get the ticket escalated. I'm a shift worker so that does not really work for me, but I did try to settle this through e-mail and even snuck in a live chat at work but could not get through during those hours (mail was not responded to).

I approached HTC Australia again to see if ANYTHING could be done but once they took the serial number (and asking again for IEMI) they said it was an American model and HTC AU won't touch it. When I explained it was accepted as a faulty unit in the US they could not access the US ticket database anyway as they are completely separate units.

(I think these support lines may be run by contractors or something because surely HTC international would have a global database???)

So I'm stuck with a faulty HTC Nexus 9. HTC will not help.

Again, let me stress, it is totally my fault. EVEN THOUGH I followed Google AU links initially to buy the device, I DID realize I was buying through Amazon US. What I did not realize is that HTC does not have an international warranty on their devices.

I believe in this day and age of the global economy that is ludicrous but also realize my opinions don't matter in this case.

Google will not step up and help me with the device they promote.
Amazon I can't really complain about - I believe they've done all they're required to do and more by giving me a little discount (doesn't go anywhere near covering the device and the keyboard accessory I purchased but at least they took some responsibility)

HTC is horrible in my opinion. I had an issue back in 2010 with them when my HTC Desire kept crashing and overheating, and I had the same MONTHS of back and forth before they let me send it back. Finally 8 weeks later I received a replacement which is still working to this day I'll admit but it was a terrible process.

And now with this it's even worse. I have read they are hurting financially at the moment:

http://bgr.com/2015/07/09/htc-2015-sales-earnings-disaster/
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/htc-financial-trouble/

and can't help wondering whether their quality isn't that good OR people have no brand loyalty because of their bad support. I'm also disappointed Google used a company not in good shape to build the device in the first place but I guess maybe they're trying to give HTC a leg up. Unfortunately I believe they're screwing it up.

Not surprising Google is now building it's own devices:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/29/google-pixel-c-hands-on/

Again, I know it's my fault and nothing I can do but please think twice before buying HTC. This does serve as a bit of a rant I know but I'm hoping it saves a few of you from possible disaster.

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Comments

  • +1

    you lost me when you started to expect google to help you with a transaction you made from amazon.

    • Uhm. The GOOGLE Nexus 9 is a Google promoted device? They actually have a helpline for Nexus devices, AND they paste it all over their web site as a Google device? The ONLY mention of HTC being involved in fact is it mentions the HTC Boomsound Speakers:

      https://www.google.com.au/nexus/9/

      My point is if they contract a device maker to build THEIR device as an OEM that they then actively promote as THEIR Google Nexus 9 on a Google web site, maybe they should take SOME responsibility when said manufacturer actually does not cover their warranty to Australians?

      Especially if said Australian bough the device through a link on their web site but no-where mentioned Warranty would in fact be covered by HTC US, which does not warrant the unit outside the US.

      Like I said lesson learned but in my opinion Google is absolutely partly responsible (and as mentioned further it's no surprise now they magically build their own devices now!).

      Again, I know there's nothing I can do but as the above is all true I believed it was worth a shot, if only for THEIR Nexus device's reputation.

      There's quite a few having the exact same issue discussing this on their forums too:

      https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/MP7ODWy…

      Sorry I lost you. I know I'm ranting but I stand by the fact to be careful of buying HTC products.

      • there is a difference between promoting a device and being responsible for it.

  • pointless rant about your own screw up.

    • -1

      If you say so. I don't really know how buying a device from big ticket names like Google, Amazon or even HTC which at the time was the only way to officially purchase this for Australians through their AU web site (yes I know it's changed now) can be classified a "screw up", I mean I didn't buy it off eBay here I bought it off an official link from the Google AU web site at the time.

      I'm sure you have your reasons for thinking that.

      Anyway, be that as it may, again, HTC does not cover the warranty on the Nexus 9 and possibly more products going by the chats I've had so beware.

  • +3

    You bought it from Amazon US that's why you are having this trouble.
    it was meant for US not here. everything gets released there first we have to wait and you must of been impatient that's why you have a US Nexus 9 not an Australian one.

    • +1

      Yes, I know that NOW.

      Again, the device was linked on the Google AU web site so I ASSUMED INCORRECTLY it would be warranted in Australia.

      Again, lesson learned. And buyer beware HTC does not have international warranty like a lot of the others in fact do.

      Thanks for your constructive comments.

  • +1

    This is not HTC's fault. The majority of big name companies will do it. Hence the term grey import.

    Items from overseas are generally not covered under local warranty. You'll need to contact HTC US, and maybe they'll do something.

    This is a very common situational issue with mobile phones, cameras etc etc. If you want LOCAL warranty, then buy LOCALLY.

    • +1

      I get that. I clicked on the Google AU web site link to buy it so assumed it would somehow be warranted here internationally.

      I was obviously wrong. I did go through the Google AU web site and not eBay or something to avoid this but makes no difference.

      Anyway. Lesson learned as I have said quite a few times, but I stand by my point HTC support are bad (again, they did not even know they were dealing with a tablet) and by MY experience of my ONLY two HTC devices I've ever owned (3 if you count the other tablet that DID go back) their quality is not exactly up to snuff either.

  • +3

    Personally I think a lot of the people here are being a bit harsh. I've bought stuff through Amazon before and would be pretty annoyed if something went belly up and I went through this garbage as well. (Some retailers put a pretty high premium on the fact we are Australian). That said, I am very wary of using the grey import path for things like iPhones etc, as I suspect that the experience of the OP is not restricted to HTC. You only have to look at Whirlpool to see some people's experience with Kogan and I have noticed that COTD seems to have a clause that if something is faulty you send it back to them. I do pay a premium for my Apple products but I have yet to have one that had a major fault. If they do go belly up you go to the Apple store and they just replace it with a refurb version.

    • +1

      Apple support is fantastic. I bought 2 iPods for the kids SECOND HAND and when one had a charging issue they offered to get it fixed through their service centre in Rockingham even though I wasn't the original owner. I'n not a fan of IOS but goodness me Apple support is brilliant. Even when my son charged over $100 worth of Simpsons donuts they refunded it for me after one phone call. Kudos.

      Just want to quickly re-iterate though guys, I'm aware of the dangers of purchasing overseas but when the AU Google store site points you to these retailers to obtain the GOOGLE product in Australia, I (incorrectly) assumed I could get things fixed if they went wrong. Through Google or the retailer at least, if not HTC themselves.

      It's more the fact I bought it from a Google AU store linked site ("buy here" basically) that bugs me.

      If you look at the link now (http://www.google.com/intl/en_au/nexus/9/) it only has the Google Store icon. Back then it had Amazon as well. I'm just saying if you encourage Aussies to buy from Amazon, make sure there's a recourse if something goes wrong.

      • +1

        Even when my son charged over $100 worth of Simpsons donuts they refunded it for me after one phone call. Kudos.

        They're probably just afraid of another lawsuit. :)

        Google's pretty good at that too. I made a mistake with Telstra carrier billing and bought $30 worth of apps thinking that it was coming from a different SIM. They refunded me the $30 and gave me an extra $10 bonus credit as well.

  • Look on bright side, you saved money buying from the usa.

    • That would be touche if that was actually my intention when I set out to buy the unit.

  • +2

    Are you sure you were on the Google AU store? I have never seen the Google AU store list anything to be purchased from Best Buy or Amazon.

    International warranty isn't common. If I buy anything from overseas, I assume there will be no warranty. If I do get warranty service, I treat it as a bonus.

    I had a great experience with my HTC M7 and M8 that I purchased outright locally from a Telstra store. After maybe 6-8 months the M7 developed a camera problem where there'd be blue areas when taking photos in very low light. I brought it in to Telstra who confirmed the problem. They ordered a replacement and I got it swapped on the spot when I went back a day or two later.

    I later bought the M8. A bright spot appeared on the screen after a while so I brought it back right at the end of the ELF period and got a brand-new replacement on the spot.

    • http://www.google.com/intl/en_au/nexus/9/ is the one I was on at the time, yes.

      Buying from Amazon SHOULD obviously have rung bigger alarm bells, I just assumed Google was distributing from there. What do I know I've never bought hardware from Google.

      Certainly know now though…..say again, lesson learnt.

      As for Telstra, yes buying it through a store is the way to go. The company I worked for was a dealer and with the HTC units we got back actually getting HTC to actually fix the problem (not just flash and send back) was a nightmare.

      They're extremely helpful on the phone ONLY if you factory reset and hard reset the unit, but then if the issue turns out to be hardware they're an absolute pain.

  • Been caught myself. Samsung note 3 night from mobicity. Turned out to be a grey import. When it failed after an official inbuilt upgrade, mobicity help was the usual reset from foreign heavy accented person. Samsung Australia told me to ring the original country.
    My view: if a company ships too Australia, then good business practice should be to support your sales. Otherwise word gets around how terrible the company is.

    You and I have learnt a lesson. Buy local, pay the extra and make sure the place you bought it from has great support.

    • Mobicity has now changed for AU. When you go to mobicity they ask to redirect to here:

      https://yatango.com.au/shopping/

      BUT

      Does the .au denote the site is actually Australian and therefore must abide to the 12 month minimum return for warranty law?

      I hate these blurred lines.

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