Windows 10 A Virus a virus in nature?

NoClue on 07/08/2015 - 07:11
Last edited 07/08/2015 - 09:35

Always lagging by 3 years behind in computers and OS's I thought cool W10 freebee, well today I found my Windows 7 starting to download Windows 10 no warning nothing. Promptly killed that, then it started again and managed to temporarily disable it from update but it loves reassert itself. So I started looking for a way to disable it and nothing I found works. Uninstalled the KB updates, GWX folders and such. On boot up it resets itself. I now have to boot up with my net connection disconnected to disable it first or it will auto start. Looks like I'm having to go back to an old image, short of spending hours to kill it.

I don't know about you but I'm on limited bandwidth and not till the end of the month can I say yep download as I was going to download the ISO, upgrade/register, then do a clean install instead of having to download 6GB it would only be 3. I also have 3rd party full drive encryption and I guarantee it's going to break my system. I am no longer interested, Windows 10 seems dirty, of virus type nature (No I don't have a virus)

In my search I also found this bit on how it will use your bandwidth enabled by default to upgrade other computers on the internet: http://fossbytes.com/windows-10-steals-your-internet-bandwid… I recommend disabling even if you have the bandwidth.

Windows 7 is good till 2020, Highly unlikely but hopefully by then there will be a viable alternative. Operative word being (viable)

Apart from the flash ban freebee new car smell as I haven't even seen it yet, how do you feel about loosing control?

It actually makes me wonder if MS is inviting a class action law suit by removing user control on download. There will be a lot of people with high/over the limit internet bills on upgrading to W10. Say if it's 10c per MB at 2800MB's for W10 that's around $280 for a free copy of Windows 10!

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Comments

  • nocure on 07/08/2015 - 09:47
    +6

    Say if it's 10c per MB at 2800MB's for W10 that's around $280 for a free copy of Windows 10!

    CLASSIC
    no clue alright.

    • NoClue on 07/08/2015 - 10:02
      +2

      I don't get it?

      Mine refers to that if W10 is 2.8GB which is approximately 2800MB's and if you pay 10c per MB when you are at or over your limit then it would equate to $280.00

      So you can elaborate or are our user names the wrong way around?

      • aim54x on 07/08/2015 - 11:52
        +2

        once again, read the small print….

        http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/windows-10-upgrade

        "Yes, free! This upgrade offer is for a full version of Windows 10, not a trial. 3 GB download required; standard data rates apply. To take advantage of this free offer, you must upgrade to Windows 10 within one year of availability. Once you have upgraded, you have Windows 10 for free on that device."

      • iridiumstem on 07/08/2015 - 11:55
        +14

        Cancel your reservation.

    • ozhunter on 07/08/2015 - 14:04
      +1

      Agreed lol, and it's funny because it's happening on his Windows 7 pc.

  • nocure on 07/08/2015 - 10:16
    -1

    Tell me you're not paying 10c a meg.

    • NoClue on 07/08/2015 - 11:07
      +3

      No it's an example of what can happen for people in my situation with limited bandwidth.

      • nocure on 07/08/2015 - 11:08

        Ok fair enough…my apologies.

  • happychild100 on 07/08/2015 - 10:21
    +7

    Doesn't it only auto download if you registered with the windows icon that showed in the taskbar near the clock? The idea was that as soon as it was ready, it would just download in the background for you then tell you when it's ready.

    • NoClue on 07/08/2015 - 11:11
      -3

      To my understanding it was 'Reserved'. At the same time I have Windows update to only inform me of updates so I choose how, what and when. Windows 10 upgrade bypasses all that and tries to install its self regardless of your settings.

      • happychild100 on 07/08/2015 - 11:22
        +4

        Yes sorry, it was reserved. Signing up for that was letting windows bypass your settings i would of thought.

  • aim54x on 07/08/2015 - 10:48
    +1

    If you have reserved W10 then you agreed to the automatic download.

      • happychild100 on 07/08/2015 - 11:29
        +16

        That doesn't make sense. If you reserved it, then you agree to let windows download the update.

      • iridiumstem on 07/08/2015 - 11:48
        +5

        I don't understand, the the terms on reservation says that Windows will download the upgrade on background as soon as it becomes available. If you reserved without reading then can you blame MS for doing what they've mentioned that they will do?

        https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/windows-10-faq#ui-id…

        That said, completely agree that there is a concern with personal information with Windows 10. That does not mean that you could apply that fact to how Reservation worked for you, they've mentioned that making reservation will mean that the app will download Windows 10 upgrades as soon as it becomes available for you in the background.

        • NoClue on 07/08/2015 - 12:11
          -1

          The information I have read is that W10 will come through Windows Update, which it does. It shows up as a recommended update, recommended updates are only downloaded by choice on an a system set up to inform of updates only.

          I have updates to inform me not download so It hasn't changed my settings but it wants to download. I uncheck the download box and on boot it starts to auto download again. Bypassing system settings.

          Can I cancel the reservation? No it won't let you that's why I had to try and uninstall the KB updates and GWX files.

      • aim54x on 07/08/2015 - 11:49
        +2

        I think you need to get into the habit of reading the not so small print before you click ok.

        http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/windows-10-upgrade

        if you read step 4 of the Reserve process it clearly states that

        "We’ll download Windows 10 to your device and notify you when it’s ready. You can cancel your reservation at any time. 1"

        If I leave my front door closed but unlocked an you assume it is an invitation you would be trespassing, it is not the same as Microsoft clearly stating that in reserving your W10 upgrade you are signing up to have W10 downloaded when ready so you can perform the upgrade at your own leisure.

        • aim54x on 07/08/2015 - 12:28

          @NoClue:

          The catch is I didn't agree to your "reservation", so it would be trespassing. In the case of Microsoft, there was a confirmation of your agreement to the terms of the reservation (ie you filled out the form and clicked ok, Microsoft gave you a confirmation of your reservation).

          You can make all the statements you like, but in the real world they account to nothing unless someone enters a binding agreement. For you to reserve the right to enter my place of residence under the pretext descbribed in your statement I would have to agree to your statement, preferably in writing, but since I do not agree with your statement you would be tresspassing and your intrusion could legally be repelled using any force necessary under the castle doctrine.

        • jzdhgkd on 09/08/2015 - 11:49

          @aim54x:

          Castle doctrine? Besides SA, does Australia have such a law?

        • aim54x on 09/08/2015 - 11:58

          @jzdhgkd: not specifically, but self/home defence argument is valid throughout the common law world. It just gets messier to argue when there is no official law.

  • Forfiet on 07/08/2015 - 12:29
    +4

    "Downloading without my permission" Oh you are so going to love win 10……..

  • Sage on 07/08/2015 - 12:34
    +5

    For most people bandwidth use isn't a problem.

    You can disable updates from being downloaded by using Group Policies. (run gpedit.msc)
    Like others said, it only "automatically" downloads Windows 10 if you told it to by reserving it.

    I don't feel a loss of control when it comes to Windows 10.

  • NoClue on 07/08/2015 - 12:45
    -5

    The catch is I didn't agree to your "reservation", so it would be trespassing. In the case of Microsoft, there was a confirmation of your agreement to the terms of the reservation (ie you filled out the form and clicked ok, Microsoft gave you a confirmation of your reservation).

    ***Ahh, No, My box was knocked back for one of my graphic cards being just out of date for driver support, then on replacing the card I did the check my system thing and on completion it told me that my I would be informed when the update was ready. At no time did I fill in a form.

    You can make all the statements you like, but in the real world they account to nothing unless someone enters a binding agreement. For you to reserve the right to enter my place of residence under the pretext descbribed in your statement I would have to agree to your statement, preferably in writing, but since I do not agree with your statement you would be tresspassing and your intrusion could legally be repelled using any force necessary under the castle doctrine.

    ***I wonder if squatters rules would apply then, going on holidays soon?

    ***I'll end it here for it can go on and on, I revoke my reservation.

    • aim54x on 07/08/2015 - 12:56

      ***I wonder if squatters rules would apply then, going on holidays soon?

      http://www.legalanswers.sl.nsw.gov.au/guides/tenants_rights_…

      "As a squatter, you do not have a legal right to occupy premises: you are a trespasser, and can be removed. The owner (or other legal possessor) of the property may evict you themself, and use reasonable force to do so. Also, the police may become involved. If your presence, or your eviction, may cause a breach of the peace, the police may act to prevent the breach of the peace, including by evicting you themselves. You may also be arrested and prosecuted for offences under the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901 (NSW): in particular, unlawful entry on inclosed lands (section 4)."

      Maybe it is better to leave it be.

    • johnno07 on 10/08/2015 - 09:33

      Most appropriate username I've seen in a while, OP.

  • Davo1111 on 07/08/2015 - 12:47
    +2

    yeah it was a bit of a surprise to me when it started downloading during my peak bandwidth. A hasty google found a way to stop it.

  • Axelstrife on 07/08/2015 - 13:35
    +5

    Windows 10 is far better then windows 7.

    • Davros on 07/08/2015 - 14:05

      Says who?

      • Baysew on 07/08/2015 - 22:12
        +19

        holden93

    • kiamsup on 07/08/2015 - 22:36
      +2

      Yes, it is. I am using it right now. Love it, compared to all other versions.

      • Axelstrife on 07/08/2015 - 22:38
        +2

        same no problems my pc boots in 10 seconds and am getting better fps in games then windows 7 and ever so slightly more then 8.1/8

        • nobro25 on 09/08/2015 - 11:17

          5 secs for windows 7 ultimate..

        • Axelstrife on 09/08/2015 - 12:03

          @nobro25: I had windows 7 before 10 windows 7 NEVER boots that fast.

        • dadeadman on 09/08/2015 - 12:18

          @nobro25: Boot times are not same for all the systems. My old laptop used to take more than 30 sec to boot up. It depends mostly on the speed of your SSD. On average windows 10 boots faster than windows 7 and 8.1 on a system.

          I updated to windows 10 and than rolled back to windows 8. 2 reasons.

          1. Onedrive place holders
          2. "Play to" from apps.
        • ozhunter on 09/08/2015 - 12:32

          @dadeadman:

          1. http://www.winbeta.org/news/onedrive-placeholders-are-gone-w…
          2. It now has "Cast to Device"
        • dadeadman on 09/08/2015 - 13:19

          @ozhunter:
          Placeholders are highly demanded by ppl. I hope it comes back. Drive mapping is good but not as good as place holders.

          And that cast is for some apps only. I can't cast stuff from internet anymore :(.

        • RefusdClassification on 10/08/2015 - 05:45

          Yes, Windows 7 alreadys boots very fast on a SSD drive for me too. I doubt the OS would have any appreciable effect on games, since normaly the GPU is the limiting factor. An exception might be changing from a 32 bit to 64 bit OS.

        • Axelstrife on 10/08/2015 - 06:00

          @Thaal Sinestro: if your about gaming then the only thing you need to know is that Windows 10 will have direct x 12 and windows 7 will not. while right at this point in time DX12 means nothing games in the duture will use DX12.

        • iridiumstem on 10/08/2015 - 09:26

          @nobro25: Hmmm, I'd move before the free update period ends, just because MS would likely provide security updates longer. I don't know, I feel like this whole free update is like MS trying to avoid needing to do what they did with XP (extend the security updates support) for Windows 7. Probably to try minimising the fragmentation of the Windows, I assume, security hazard and all that.

          The OS UI would need slight time to adjust yourself to (metro UI). It's not as bad as Windows 8 though (as far as I see, at least) in terms of UI. I feel like booting speed has gotten faster (but that might as well be a placebo effect). Though I think if you are using a laptop (I assume you are not, but just in case), I'd wait for until they optimise the OS for battery life and drivers (The compatiability issue is not as bad as Vista, but it's still there).

  • kryptoz on 08/08/2015 - 09:49
    +2

    Windows 10 is excellent compared to all previous versions, it still resembles Win7 in most ways (unlike Windows 8.x), and it's fast, efficient, smooth, more stable and more secure.

    The installation is a minor issue, but unless you already accepted / reserved the upgrade, your computer won't be downloading it and it won't install it without confirmation either.

    There may be some hardware and software compatibility issues, no doubt, as with every other version of Windows (/OSX/Android/WMP/iOS/etc). If you have fairly current hardware you shouldn't have many issues.

    The privacy may present some greater concerns, you should check the privacy options carefully at the start of the installation, to make sure you are happy with what information you allow Microsoft to collect — albeit those settings can be changed later, it's easier to do during install — it will no doubt make for some headline tabloid filler.

  • mattyman on 08/08/2015 - 09:58

    Just go into Windows Update, View Installed Updates, uninstalled update KB3035583, reboot, go back into windows update, check for updates and then hide the KB 3035583 update.

  • Wallace on 08/08/2015 - 11:13

    Under Windows 8.1 it won't auto download with the following settings:

    Under Control Panel -> Windows Update -> Change Settings: Select "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them".

    ALWAYS unselect "Upgrade to Windows 10" under optional update when updating manually.

    I'm close to my monthly cap and I don't have enough download 2.8GBs either, so give this a try.

  • tonyjzx on 08/08/2015 - 21:34
    +6

    It's no point engaging Mr. "No Clue" in conversation as he doesnt want to take responsibility for his Windows 10 reservation.

    It clearly says this right next to the button:

    http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/wp-content/uploads/2015/…

    There is no 'class action' possible. You clicked it.

    I'm on unlimited downloads and even I think its stupid for EVERY machine I have to download 3Gb each.

    If you're the only person who seems to have this problem, I'm suggest YOU are the problem.

    • PVA on 08/08/2015 - 21:44

      no class action said for USA only. I remember seeing that when I install a few days ago.

      But yes, he agreed to the reservation and seems he didnt like it downloading to prepare for it???

      Not all computers need to download 3gig, all your computer on your home network will download from each other, same for updates - one will get it and send to the others.

      • tonyjzx on 08/08/2015 - 22:06
        +1

        Problem is we did not know this until a few days after release when they found out each machine is a seed box by default.

        I do agree with 'no clue' about Windows 7. There is no need to move to Windows 10 if Windows 7 fulfills your needs AND we need to know every hole Microsoft put into Windows 10 to screw us over so we can disable it all.

        Even then, I have philosophical problems with needing to disable all the things in an operating system as a first step to stop it from exposing my metadata to their metric servers, of which there are many.

        • PVA on 09/08/2015 - 05:18

          Why was not knowing about local machines seeding a problem?
          Apple and Microsoft have never done it before so normal thinking would be 3gig for every unit, not so strange for a new operating system.

      • Charity on 09/08/2015 - 07:04

        one will get it and send to the others

        really?? maybe OP has a point. That sounds like what a virus would do.

  • hypie on 09/08/2015 - 09:18

    Just download windows 10 and get on with it. It has far better connectivity than Windows 7 (In my opinion). I only just upgraded from windows 7 pro and I am very happy so far.

    • tonyjzx on 09/08/2015 - 22:57

      what does that even mean

      in windows 7 for ethernet, you plug in a network cable and its done

      for wifi you hit the icon next to the clock in the right hand corner, find your SSID and input your password

      how much can they make it 'easier'?

      • hypie on 11/08/2015 - 02:48

        Connecting bluetooth and wireless devices has never been that simple for less experienced computer users. In the more recent windows editions I have noticed that most wireless drivers are either preinstalled or automatically download without issue from windows update.

        The new layout and control panel is also less intimidating, which makes it easier.

  • lonix on 09/08/2015 - 09:54

    open a command prompt and type

    WUSA /Uninstall /KB:3035583

    change windows update settings

    uncheck "give me recommended updates the same way as important updates"

    then kill gwx in the task manger take ownership of gwx folder in system32 and syswow64 and delete them

    then hide the update in windows update

  • porsche26c on 09/08/2015 - 10:32

    pointless discussion. it is free and download it over wifi. it is much better than windows 7.

    • lonix on 09/08/2015 - 21:14

      if your laptop graphics card doesn't like windows 10 because it's switchable then disabling the GWX bullshit gives you back 4GB of valuable HDD space, plus it stops it from re downloading it again

  • McFly on 09/08/2015 - 11:48
    +4

    Is there an OzB award for dumbest dumbest thread title title?

    • TailsK on 10/08/2015 - 11:43
      +1

      There'd be a lot of contenders…

  • mousie on 09/08/2015 - 17:20
    +1

    Click and comment bait Op. Let's get to a real problem.

  • Lancerx on 09/08/2015 - 21:01

    mate with your PC knowledge, you should just go back to window XP..seriously this is one of the dumbest thread ever..

  • swiggity swag on 09/08/2015 - 21:18

    OP, your name is accurate!

  • Theopneusty on 09/08/2015 - 22:53

    I read that entering in your windows 7 or 8 serial for a clean install won't work? You must upgrade a previous version first? not sure about it but just to be safe I upgraded first then did a clean install afterwards.

    Also warning to those of you with NVidia gtx 900 series for desktops the current drivers 353.62 cause flickering on some program windows and the desktop wallpaper sometimes goes black and program windows may go unresponsive if its left running for a day or so and the graphical glitches keep piling up. Lots of people are posting similar problems on forums. My friends with older NVidia cards have no problem but the new directx 12 cards seem to be the problem. But generally in gaming it works fine without any graphical issues or performance problems. I get the same performance or better than what I was getting with windows 8.1, the witcher 3 may be an exception but I'm not sure if that was because of patch 1.07 haven't tested with 1.08's performance fixes yet. Still Windows 10 will only really be great when we actually get some directx 12 games to play on it. For now maybe its better to wait a few weeks for NVidia to release some better drivers if you have a gtx 900.

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