Microsoft Lumia 640 XL w/ Free MD-12 Bluetooth Speaker & Free 1 Year office365 - $352.28

NickFritz on 13/05/2015 - 14:26 itsuppliesdirect.com.au (335 clicks)
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LUMIA 640 XL BLACK 8GB INTERNAL 1GB RAM WINDOWS PHONE 8.1 1.2 GHZ QUAD-CORE 4G LTE 5.7 INCH HD 13MP CORTANA

Says No stock yet but that is because all these retailers are getting stock on Friday/Monday from Nokia so it's technically a pre-order.

This is the Australian Model, NOT a grey import.

Manufacturer part number: A00024710+02742R8

Review of the phone: http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-lumia-640-xl-review-win…

SPECS / DETAIL:

Empower your everyday life with the Microsoft Lumia 640 XL and the full suite of free Microsoft apps such as Skype and OneDrive, a Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, 5.7 inch display and an 13MP Camera.

Key Features

The Lumia 640 XL in Black has a 5.7” HD Display made with scratch resistant Corning Gorilla Glass 3, allowing you to take advantage of Windows Live Tiles and the Action Center.
Simplify your life with Cortana, the personal assistant that will keep you up to date with traffic, give you reminders and answer your questions.
Enjoy recording the important parts of your life with the 13MP rear-camera of the Microsoft Lumia 640 XL and keep your photos safe and accessible with OneDrive and 30GB of free storage.
Increase your productivity with the Lumia 640 XL Smartphone and a 12 month subscription to Microsoft Office 365 Personal.
The Microsoft Lumia 640 XL Smartphone is shipped with 8GB of storage space and features MicroSD slot for expandable memory of up to 128GB, giving you a massive amount of space for apps, photos and more.

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27 Jun 2015

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Bucksaver on 13/05/2015 - 14:30

-3

unfortunately Windows phone doesn't support Uber apps :-(
- NickFritz on 13/05/2015 - 14:31
  
  +2
  
  There is an official Windows Phone uber app…???
  
  https://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/uber/b905a877-b…
  - Bucksaver on 13/05/2015 - 14:39
    
    -1
    
    this is for the rider. I am looking for Uber Partner app.
- [Deactivated] on 15/05/2015 - 15:55
  
  Really, that's odd because I use Uber on my Lumia 640, their app has been around for months.
  
  What the heck is partner app, for drivers? If you just say it doesn't support Uber, well that is not right.
  - Bucksaver on 15/05/2015 - 15:59
    
    I said Uber apps and not app. It's a plural word.
    - [Deactivated] on 15/05/2015 - 16:03
      
      +1
      
      That's correct, you said it doesn't support their "apps" it's still not grammatically correct, because it supports one of them, being the one that all of its customers use, back to school ;)
King Tightarse on 13/05/2015 - 14:40

+1

Nokia 630 averaged around $100 prepaid Maybe $150 tops unlocked when prices settled.

This seems like a pretty high early price.
Cheaper on eBay already without speaker:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Brand-NEW-Nokia-Lumia-640-8GB-8MP…

Speaker:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nokia-MD-12-Portable-Wireless-Spe…
- NickFritz on 13/05/2015 - 14:44
  
  +2
  
  You linked the wrong phone, this is the $399 retail price phone, the replacement for the 1320.
  
  This is the XL not the plain 640.
  - King Tightarse on 13/05/2015 - 15:00
    
    +1
    
    Ah yes XL model, totally valid point.
    Still reckon there's no bargain in buying early at this price point.
- hollykryten on 13/05/2015 - 18:08
  
  The updated Nokia Lumia 635 model is better than the older 630 model. It's around $135 for the unlocked version at the moment.
  
  https://www.thinkofus.com.au/nokia-lumia-635-4g-black-austra…
  
  Bit of a jump in price from the 635 to the 640 XL model. For that price it would want to be well worth it.
  - MrFunSocks on 14/05/2015 - 16:17
    
    The Lumia 636 is even better - same as the 635 but with 1GB of RAM. I bought one from optus a while back (6+ months) unlocked for ~$200. Should be down around $150 max you'd think by now.
terrys on 13/05/2015 - 14:40

Pro: The sd card can be mounted as a directory, giving you ample [albeit slow] storage.
Anti: Specifications lagging behind $75 android phones with a limited app store attracting those app writers happy with 3-4% of the market [and falling].

There are, and have been for a long time, no shortage of open source and/or free office software that has no trouble opening and editing Microsoft office files, so the "Free office 365" is an appealt to FUD, not a neccessary feature.This phone needs to be compared on it's camera, screen, speed and availability of apps.

As a windows phone, it's a good deal. As a phone, n.o.s, there are far better places to put your money. For those looking for a phablet, the elephone s7000 creams it on specs for far less, and I'm demurring on that one.
- iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 14:48
  
  You should not compare phones with two different OSs with specs alone, if you want to bring specs onto the table, there are other things to consider. I am using an Android phone right now, I was using a WP beforehand. My windows phone is far behind the android phone that I own right now. 1GB LPDDR2 RAM, SoC that's 1 generation behind, etc etc. In terms of user experience, I think they are comparable.
  
  My S4 Active with KitKat performed worse than my old Lumia 925 in terms of responsiveness and I think camera is better on Lumia 925. There were features that I missed like being able to read notifications on lockscreen etc. Obviously, there are things that S4 active does better on, battery life while running apps seem to be better etc. Though yeah, I think I've proved my point about the spec comparisons between phones using two different OS should be done carefully.
  
  Though that being said, yes, I think the price point is slightly too steep, you could get something better even within the WP (like 1520) if you go for second hand or clearance stock.
  - terrys on 13/05/2015 - 15:04
    
    On the whole, true, but you can compare things such as 3 Gb vs 1Gb of RAM and FHD to this phone's 720 x 1280 - especially as "Win 8.1" is supposedly the draw-card. Hitting those little "X"s to close the windows will be fun. As a phablet, with 2Gb would have put it in contention with the cheaper 8-10" windows tablets - as a production or consumption device, it is placing itself at the level of a Pendo pad with a great camera and 4G data plus voice…
    
    As Ronnie puts it - 2Gig and 16/32 storage would have probably added ~ $20-30 at most and made it an entirely different beast. I'm getting worried that Microsoft are dropping the ball badly, not realising how many commercial people are finding the android office offerings are compatible with their workplace, and the Apple environment mature, reliable and stable. They have, and can come up with innovation, but seem to have missed the fact that their "we are really the only choice" meme has drifted away from them. They were watching for any competiton pulling the plug, as they did on IBM, and failed to notice the water slowly evaporating…
    
    We [consumers] need the competition - Google went from upstart to hubristic behemoth quicker than either of the others…:-/
    - Smigit on 13/05/2015 - 15:13
      
      +1
      
      Screen resolution yes, but I'd argue the RAM between OS's isn't immediately comparable from a performance perspective anyway if you only consider how much is there. The iPhone 6 Plus also gets by on 1GB of RAM, and I personally haven't found that to be an issue with anything I've wanted to do. My iPad Air also functions just fine on 1GB. Not to say that 2GB isn't going to be better than 1GB.
    - Ronnnie on 13/05/2015 - 15:13
      
      My concern with buying a wp at this price too is, when wp10 comes out it's going to take a performance hit. It runs wp 8.1 well now, but with all the extra new features 10 brings to the table I'm sure an s400 with 1gb of ram will see a performance hit in general use. It's a bit harsh to judge the developers builds of wp10, but if anyone have tried them they'll know that it's quite laggy and unresponsive on the midrange wp. Microsoft has a lot of work to do before they get things right. I suspect Microsoft may even release new midrange phones with better specs when wp10 is released too.
      
      On iOS with the iPad it's definitely beneficial adding more ram. I had an air and went to an air 2, and now webpages don't need to reload everytime you switch tabs. Also my air I used to get a lot of browser crashes, and it was a common complaint.
    - MrFunSocks on 13/05/2015 - 15:13
      
      +2
      
      to this phone's 720 x 1280 - especially as "Win 8.1" is supposedly the draw-card. Hitting those little "X"s to close the windows will be fun.
      
      I'm not sure you understand what this phone is. It doesn't run Windows 8.1, there are not little "X"s to close. This is a phone that runs Windows Phone 8.1.
    - MrFunSocks on 13/05/2015 - 15:16
      
      +1
      
      @Ronnnie: Not necessarily. Windows 8 performs much better on the same hardware as Windows 7 generally. WP8 didn't take a performance hit over WP7.
    - iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 15:19
      
      +1
      
      Have you ever used a Windows Phone before? Press "X" to close? What? That's for Windows 8.1, which is different from Windows Phone.
      
      I think the comparison you are making is slightly unfair, since the phone specs that you are bringing in are flagships of last few generation for Android (FHD, 2~3GB RAM), and this phone is budget phone of this generation.
      
      Anyways, I think I've mentioned RAM on the comparison as well, Android tend to require more RAMs and more processing power in general (S4 Active has 2GB RAM, Better SoC, etc). Windows Phone is optimised very well. I never had problem with Windows Phone as much as I have with Android OS right now in terms of RAM (and I am using 2GB RAM on Android and 1GB RAM on WP). Obviously there are specs that you can directly compare, like camera (which tend to be alright on WP flagships, not sure about the budget line of WP though), screen resolution (again, flagships of WP were decent enough, with FHD), other than that, I think you cannot really use, "Android has better spec therefore it will perform better".
      
      That being said, yes, I do agree with what you are talking about. The spec needs to be better, but not because it's not performing as well as Android per se, but simple, the more the better. I think it's slightly unfair to expect a flagship like spec from this phone, since it's budget phone for this gen. I think 940 will be on par with this gen's android in terms of spec, though I am slightly worried because of the snapdragon 810.
    - iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 15:31
      
      @Ronnnie: I completely agree with you with that. WP 8 was lighter than WP 8.1, my battery life took a hit with the update (never going back though). I think what is happening, is exactly that. *20s had 512mb RAM vs 1GB RAM for a differentiation between flagships and non-flagships, and I think because of the resource demand, they've added 1GB RAM for most of the devices on *30 series. I am slightly worried but I think 1GB would be like the bare minimum for the OS.
      
      In terms of SoC, I think s400 is the bare minimum that will run Windows 10 Mobile fluently. I think they might require better specced phone for later devices, but I think they are planning on optimising Windows 10 Mobile for Snapdragon 400.
    - Ronnnie on 13/05/2015 - 15:33
      
      @AznMitch:
      
      He obviously has, he seems more familiar with the os then some others around here. Well that is if you don't understand what he is referring to.
    - iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 15:39
      
      @Ronnnie: Yeah, a person who've owned a Windows Phone since WP8, had developer preview for 8.1 and is on WP10 TP is not familiar with that OS, obviously.
    - terrys on 13/05/2015 - 16:27
      
      @AznMitch: I think the comparison you are making is slightly unfair,
      
      The specs I were comparing were those of budget deals on Ozbargain this week, hovering around half the price of this phone. I like my Xperia with Kingsoft office particularly because I can use a desktop type app - the "free" version of Microsoft office is woeful in comparison - so if a windows phone of 5.5 inches isn't for running desktop apps, it really is, to me, a solution badly in search of a problem to solve.
    - Ronnnie on 13/05/2015 - 16:32
      
      @MrFunSocks:
      
      Terry is referring to this.
      http://i62.tinypic.com/2lihdug.png
      
      It looks like an x to me. :)
    - iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 16:33
      
      +1
      
      @terrys: Yes, specs from Xperia which is an Android phone which can be a flagship from last year or year before (Xperia Z series are at least). Comparing an Android phone to a Windows Phone solely on spec of RAM and SoC is bad because you are ignoring the fact that Windows Phone is better optimised because of the limited variations in spec compared to Android (which has Exynos, Snapdragon, Allwinner, Rockchip, MediaTek, etc for SoC alone compared to Snapdragon for Windows Phone).
      
      So my points are:
      
      Comparing this on spec alone to an Android is not good, WP is more optimised.
      
      This phone is a budget phone from this gen for WP (i.e. similar phone for this in Android would be like Moto G, Galaxy S5 Mini or whatever the current budget phone is). If you bring older generation and specs, the older generation WP phablet flagship, Lumia 1520 has 2GB RAM, Snapdragon 800, FHD screen etc.
    - iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 16:36
      
      @Ronnnie: Clicking on a tiny screen blah blah argument is often for Windows 8.1 desktop mode for 8~10 inch tablets. I automatically assumed that he was talking about that, because 1. he goes on about windows tablet at 8~10 inch afterwards 2. That argument really is used for Windows tablets.
      
      You can swipe the app to close, not to mention, I don't see this being "little "X"s" that are hard to hit.
    - terrys on 13/05/2015 - 16:41
      
      @AznMitch: Yes, specs from Xperia which
      
      If you didn't read that too fast, then I call shenanigans. The specs I posted were those of lower priced units from this week - the Xxperia [ a three year old phone which still kicks the pants of this toy] was not mentioned until after your posted debating their application, and was given as an example of a phone which can, and does, run a desktop style office app with all the functionality of the full office suite, rather than the anaemic and crippled app that Microsoft themselves suggest in much the same manner and chutzpa as Coca-cola refer to the "Real Thing".
      
      My whole point about this phone is that it is a budget phone, built down to a price, and not really a bargain. Your "defence" appears to be that it is a budget phone, built down to a price. I agree - and am pointing out consumers can do better.
    - Ronnnie on 13/05/2015 - 16:42
      
      @AznMitch:
      
      Being more optimised is misleading though. Like I can have a few apps running in the background on my Android phone and switch back without the app needing to reload. While on the WP the app will take time to reload the app. Same with browsing have a few pages open and the phone will have to reload the pages if I switch back. Yes the phone can preserve ram by doing this, but it does compromise the user experience.
      
      It also the same as certain apps don't run as well as their Android counterpart on same hardware. My guess is it comes down the app developers not investing as much time. Like certain games will run better on the same hardware on Android over wp. Yes wp in general more efficient, but it isn't always to the benefit of the user.
      
      It's only becomes beneficial on really low end hardware. However nowadays, even cheap Android phones usually have at least 1gb of ram, and can perform just as well as the cheaper wp.
    - iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 16:55
      
      @terrys: I think I've been making a sludge of points, so it's my fault for not being clear.
      
      OK, I will use Android Phones as example and split the argument into two parts.
      
      Galaxy S3 4G has better SoC and better RAM. It's priced $250 because they want to sell out the older gen flagships.
      Galaxy S5 Mini has worse SoC and worse RAM. It's priced $300+ because, even though it's a budget phone with worse spec, it's relatively new.
      
      This was what I was referring to, in terms of why it's unfair to compare the current budget phones to older flagships. The price on older gen flagships are usually highly discounted because they want to get rid of old stock. 640 is from current gen, Xperia Z1 is from fairly long time ago.
      
      In terms of comparing phones with different OS, it's unfair because of spec not translating well to how they perform if you just compare basic specs like RAMs and SoC.
      
      I've given my example with Lumia 925 and S4 Active. Even though S4 Active have better spec overall, the user experience I've got from those, in terms of responsiveness and such, were comparable. There were instances where I found Lumia 925 to be more responsive. I found weird stutters and lags with S4 Active when it was on KitKat. With Lollipop, S4 Active became more responsive overall, but I did need to fiddle around with Odin and firmwares from Russia and Germany.
    - TheContact on 13/05/2015 - 18:17
      
      @AznMitch: Can always expect a debate in a Windows Phone deal, or anywhere there's a reference to Windows Phone. You have some patience to have continued this debate, but you know what it comes down to, apple and oranges. Don't tell people they can get a bigger apple for the same price if they are looking for f**king oranges. Why is there always someone bringing up Android specs in iPhone and Windows Phone deals.
    - iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 18:59
      
      @Ronnnie: Being optimised is misleading, yes, in a way. Even though poorly optimised phones run slowly, they can become a complete powerhouse if XDA or someone does optimisations for the company who've neglected that. For example, I think with ART, my S4 Active have become more responsive compared to when it was on KitKat (with Dalvik Runtime), might be placebo or something that happened with recent firmware, but that's what I feel at least. I've heard so many people talking about how a Samsung phone flies with CM. That being said, the phone comes with a laggy software, then the user experience is based on laggy software as well.
      
      That being said, I've brought this point up because it's impossible to compare these phones side by side just by looking at paper spec. It's unfair to say a WP will perform poorly because it has worse SoC or worse RAM. I've never faced any stutters or lags with the homescreen on WP, unlike my S4 Active when it was on KitKat. If you compare spec and spec alone, Lumia 925 have to perform worse, which is not true.
      
      I think I prefer the powerhouse. I've moved to Galaxy S4 Active (which while it isn't exactly a powerhouse, compared to WP phones, they have better RAM and SoC) and I don't really feel like going back. That being said, it is partially because I love tweaking the phone settings around and mostly because of the apps that I got, like official Optus app, bank apps and YNAB app. I don't think Lumia 925 performed worse than my current phone as a phone.
      
      Frankly speaking, I still think WP has advantage of being optimised fairly well, it's at least optimised with these low specced phones in mind. Multitasking is limited as you've mentioned, but I think it's better than having it to stutter crazily. Obviously the better solution is by having both optimisation and hardware powerhouse, which might happen with next gen WP flagships. I think it's unfair to expect a powerhouse on a recently released budget line phone. I think that'd be same as expecting Moto G to be a powerhouse. That's simply my opinion though.
    - costas60 on 13/05/2015 - 19:40
      
      @AznMitch:
      https://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/how-to/wp8/basics/switch-…
      If you have used 8.1 AND on W10 preview
      and you have NEVER heard of this
      I think maybe you have NEVER used a windows phone
      at W8 you used to press X
      now you can swipe down as well with W8.1
    - iridiumstem on 13/05/2015 - 19:57
      
      @costas60: Yes, I must've never used a Windows Phone because I forgot about a UI element that I've rarely used on an OS that I've moved on from a month ago, because I always swiped down.
    - iridiumstem on 14/05/2015 - 01:42
      
      @costas60: Should've just done this and be done with this. Tried to screenshot project Spartan but failed.
      http://m.imgur.com/BevVo3a
    - MrFunSocks on 14/05/2015 - 16:20
      
      @Ronnnie: That X is over half a centimetre in diameter on my 735, which has a smaller screen than the 640, and doesn't even need to be used - you just swipe down anywhere on the app and it closes it. It looks like he genuinely thought it ran the full desktop Windows 8.1, as you literally never have to press that "tiny" X on WP8.1. He even referred to it's "draw-card" as "Win 8.1".
NickFritz on 13/05/2015 - 14:45

Anyone wanting a different colour can buy the back plates from ebay or buy the flip cover: http://nokiaviews.com/lumia-640-xl-cc-3090-official-flip-cov…
Ronnnie on 13/05/2015 - 14:47

+2

At this price, you may as well spend a bit extra and buy a G3 or zenfone 2. For this price Microsoft should be offering 2gb of ram, s801, and 1080p display. This is similar to the Y550 that sold for $40, but it uses a s410 instead of the s400.
- MrFunSocks on 13/05/2015 - 15:19
  
  For this price Microsoft should be offering 2gb of ram
  
  That's not really how things work. The operating system is made to work on small amounts of RAM. It's not a resource hog like Android, it doesn't need 2-3GB of RAM. 1GB of RAM is fine on WP, anyone who says it should have more obviously hasn't used it.
  - tonyjzx on 13/05/2015 - 15:44
    
    +1
    
    yeah i dont think thats entirely true
    
    fact of the matter is iphone is moving to 2gb and the higher end lumias have 2gb
    
    thing is if you use less ram in your phone, charge me less
    
    dont try to justify charging me the same or more and saying, oh our o/s is more efficient
    - MrFunSocks on 13/05/2015 - 15:50
      
      +1
      
      But you're comparing different phones. You can't say that because X has 2GB for $Y, Z should have 2GB because it costs $Y.
      
      The price isn't just the sum of the cost of the parts. How does apple get away with only giving you 2GB of RAM for $1000+? Shouldn't they give you 16GB or so?
    - tonyjzx on 13/05/2015 - 17:25
      
      because a phone is not just the ram
      
      anyone can see that apple sells on something that CLEARLY microsoft do not have
      
      be that as it may, I dont think a 1gb phone with a 720p screen and only 8Gb nvram and low spec cpu/gpu running an o/s with sub 5% marketshare is worth $350… anyone who does has an uphill battle explaining otherwise…
    - MrFunSocks on 14/05/2015 - 16:23
      
      @tonyjzx: Marketshare does not, and should not, play any part in pricing. You just can't compare specs between operating systems on phones. Android is a notorious resource hog, lagging even on beefy hardware, Apple's newer OS bogs down even 2 year old phones, but Windows Phone is made to work first and foremost on low spec phones. Throwing more RAM at it doesn't greatly increase performance because it is made to work on only 512MB first and foremost. With W10M it will probably be bumped up to 1GB minimum.
  - Ronnnie on 13/05/2015 - 16:35
    
    The WP with 1080p display need 2gb of RAM it seems.
    
    Really at this price you want a 1080p display on a 5.5" phone.
    
    It would be different if it was around $200, not heading towards $400 mark.
- costas60 on 13/05/2015 - 20:02
  
  Are you kidding me the same as a Y550 just compare the specs
  http://gsmversus.com/huawei-ascend-y550/microsoft-lumia-640-…
  - Ronnnie on 13/05/2015 - 20:48
    
    They are using a similar SoC and same amount of ram, however the Y550 got a slightly better SoC. An old budget phone that has sold for $40 should never have a faster SoC than a newly released $350+ midrange phone. I find the s400 isn't good enough, especially at this price range, and I feel that it's only going to get worse when wp10 comes around. You really shouldn't be compromising with an average screen, and a lower end SoC when spending this kind of money.
    
    And the reason why Android comparisons always come up in these phone deals, is the fact Android has around 80% of the market. The reason why they are doing so well over Microsoft is generally speaking they offer better value for money. Microsoft I think has to really look at it's mid range and offer better hardware. Really there's little reason to buy this over say the 640 at $179. It's also a bit hard to attract developers to the platform if the midrange phone's don't offer enough grunt to make the most of their apps/games. Midrange and Flagship users are also probably more likely to spend money in the app store over a lower end phone user.
    - costas60 on 13/05/2015 - 21:06
      
      +1
      
      Y550 640XL
      480 x 854 pixels Resolution 720 x 1280 pixels
      218 ppi Pixel density 259 ppi
      32 GB Memory card max 128 GB
      4 GB Memory builtin 8 GB
      720p@30fps Primary camera video 1080p@30fps
      5 MP Primary camera quality 13 MP
      2592 Ñ… 1944 pixels Primary camera resolution 4128 x 3096 pixels
      - Primary camera optics Carl Zeiss optics
      2000 mAh Battery capacity 3000 mAh
      Wonder if Y550 ever gets to Andoid 5 how much it will lag as
      the 640 XL was built for W10
    - PVA on 17/05/2015 - 20:53
      
      @costas60:
      also read that the y550 is only two point touch screen, windows one is ten point.
kfuerza on 13/05/2015 - 15:47

+1

Soon…the app issue will cease to be an issue. M$ announced last month that ios and android developers will be able to port their apps to Windows 10.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/w…

Let that sink in for a sec….

If you are a developer, you can not only have your app on iphone…but also desktops and laptops.

If M$ get it right…game changer.

Having said all of that, I would still wait and get an older flagship phone like the 930 used or new for $100 bucks more.

Still kicking myself for not snatching up the 930 for $233 at Cash Converters…
Ronnnie on 13/05/2015 - 16:36

We'll have to wait and see what happens, but I wouldn't say it's anytime soon.
- terrys on 13/05/2015 - 16:46
  
  While their developers sleep, Google play people to whisper though the window " run it in the browser, run it in the browser" in the same way Gary Lawson's dog [far side] would whisper "put the cat out".
  http://www.nateklein.net/images/thefarside/resized/put-the-c…

This was posted 9 years 7 months 13 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

Microsoft Lumia 640 XL w/ Free MD-12 Bluetooth Speaker & Free 1 Year office365 - $352.28

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