TPG offer to buy iiNet

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mergers-acquisition…

Big deal… 1.4b for TPG to buy out iiNet.

INTERNET provider TPG Telecom has moved to secure full ownership of iiNet, launching an $8.60 per share bid for all securities it does not already own in the company, with a total price tag of $1.4 billion.

Under the proposed deal iiNet (IIN) shareholders will receive cash consideration of $8.60 per iiNet share, while those shareholders on the register at March 16 will remain entitled to and will receive the fully franked interim dividend of 10.5c.

The offer price combined with the interim dividend comes to $8.705 per share, which represents a 31 per cent premium on the last closing price of $6.65 on a cum-dividend basis.

It represents a 33 per cent premium on the one-month volume weighted average price on a cum-dividend basis.

TPG (TPM) already own 6.25 per cent of iiNet and today’s offer values the Australian internet service provider at $1.4bn.

TPG said the directors of iiNet had unanimously backed the offer.

Chairman if iiNet Michael Smith said the board viewed the offer as a significant reward for shareholders who have shown their faith in iiNet.

“The price of $1.4bn is a very tangible measure of the value that the extraordinary people of iiNet have created through their innovation, brilliant service and capacity to add value.”

TPG said it would fund the purchase through debt, for which it has established new committed facilities.

TPG chief executive David Teoh said the deal would create a combined company with 1.7 million subscribers.

“iiNet and TPG are highly complementary businesses in terms of geographic presence, market segments and corporate customer base,” he said.

“The combined businesses will provide broadband services to over 1.7 million subscribers and will be well positioned to deliver scale benefits in an NBN environment.”

IG market analyst Evan Lucas said the deal had been expected for years.

“It’s the worst kept secret … it was always going to happen,” he said.

He said the $1.4 billion price tag was fair for both companies, especially in light of iiNet’s disappointing first half results.

“It’s a good price … it’s not expensive but it’s certainly not cheap.”

iiNet shares lost 11 per cent in one day in February after it reported a flat first-half profit.

Mr Lucas said the deal would give TPG, which specialises in low-cost internet, exposure to iiNet’s premium customer base.

If iiNet shareholders approve the deal, the takeover is set to be completed in July.

TPG is being advised by Macquarie Capital (Australia) Limited, as financial adviser, while Minter Ellison is serving as legal counsel.

Target company iiNet, Australia’s second largest DSL internet service provider, is being advised by Azure Capital Limited, as financial adviser, with K&L Gates as legal counsel.

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Comments

  • +35

    For the love of god, please no. TPG wont take long to turn iiNet into a steaming pile of shit

      • +1

        iiNets needy customer base wont take long

        Definitely not as long as the waiting time on a TPG support call.

        Unfortunately there isn't a hidden cap on David "Faceless" Teoh's unlimited greed.

    • +7

      Unlucky iinet customers, wonder how long it'll be till they need to put in a security deposit, and then be told it's actually just money they lose coz it's not refundable.

      TPG r crooks.

    • From our experiences, iinet were already shit.

      Changed to them from Adam and our speeds went from 1.5mb to 100kbs.

      They insisted the problem was on our end but it wasn't. They refused to look on their end.

      Changed to club telco, back to 1.5mb

      iinet can suck it.

      • +6

        You do realise Adam Internet are owned by iinet. They use the same Virtual call centre, the same employees, the same hardware, the same internal policies…

        Not sure what you're on about.

        • Doesn't change the fact that their service still went to shit.

  • +23

    well, it might be possible if we all pitch in and pool about 1.41b.. we might be able to buy iiNet —- who knows 1.4b could be TPGs limit.

    iiNet - "A Division of the Ozbargain Community"

    • …that translates to about $50,000 per person only. still interested? Apologies for bringing facts to your fairytale. Just sayin'

      • I'm already in bud…
        way the SP is going TPG might need to up the offer!

  • +1

    Relevant discussions on Whirlpool: https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2382526

    With 1.7 million broadband subscribers after the buyout, what would their position be against Telstra and Optus?

    • +6

      1.7 million? But how many iinet customers will leave if TPG take over?

      • +4

        I know of one.

  • TPG own the fat pipe to US dont they. But their service is bottom of barrel.
    How will this affect me?

  • Not sure how I feel about this, as more competition is always good for consumers.
    I think now the only big ones are Telstra, Optus, TPG… and probably the M2 Group?

  • I haven't been unhappy with my TPG deal except for one thing - download speeds have been pretty ordinary.
    When I was with iiNet I was paying more but the speeds were better (I tried to give them the chance to match TPG's offer but they wouldn't come to the party).

    • +2

      That's because iinet use Australians in their customer service. TPG I'm pretty sure off shored their support to Manila ages ago. But this will soon be the case as well I'm sure.

      Merger 101, use debt to buy competitor, leverage to the noose and then cut costs till company is bare bones. Get ur millions in bonus for doing such a amazing job and when iinet goes to crp, u can leave the company for the next ceo to worry about the problems.

      • +4

        iiNet use helpdesk staff off shore in South Africa. TPG in Manilla. I believe in both cases they are direct employees, not some 3rd party outsource company.
        EDIT: both also have local helpdesk staff, although I think iiNet has substantially more.

        • +1

          Been with iinet for 6 years. I've never spoken to anyone offshore. Not saying they don't but never experienced it.

        • +1

          iiNet have staff in NZ also, last guy I spoke to was awesome.

        • +3

          @SirFlibbled: They follow the sun, so if you call in the middle of the night you get South Africa

    • +2

      I think you'll be getting the better part of the deal. TPG currently uses Telstra's DSLAMs. I'd assume if they do buy iiNet, then you'll be swapped over to iiNet's DSLAMs. No point in paying Telstra if you have your own equipment in the exchange.

      • Don't think I'll get any improvement (I'm with TPG) just checked iinet's coverage - same……..The telephone number you supplied supports a Off-Net ADSL1 & 2+ connection with speeds up to 20/1Mbps. Please choose from one of the Off-Net ADSL1 & 2+ plan options shown below.

        Telstra is so far behind with coverage around here!!!

        • I hear you, I'm on an ADSL1 RIM… 8MB/384kB :( No future plans for NBN either.. It was once on an ADSL2+ Tophat list, but was removed when the election NBN fight happened.

        • +1

          @rompastompa:
          I feel for you, as there is no sign of NBN coming my way anytime soon. At least my ADSL2+ has a 1mbps upload, though it tops out around 8mb down too.

      • +1

        Both TPG and iiNet have substantial owned DSLAM infrastructure. TPG around 400, iiNet some more. Both use Telstra outside their footprint (there are approx 2000 exchanges AU wide).

        • Ahh, I was basing my statement from this reply. ;)

      • I have seen many exchanges where TPG and iiNet have their own DSLAM devices. Only time I've seen TPG use Telstra's equipment is in a RIM.

      • For the love of god, lets not bicker over the peanuts of copper!

        Put your energies into scrapping the entire ADSL market into the copper recycling bin!!

  • It is indeed Black Friday - what else is there apart from iiNet? TPG is The Perfect Goofup. I patented that so do not flick me Scotty

  • It'll be interesting to see how the Netflix-iiNet deal works out in this deal. As a happy TPG customer I'd be pretty pleased to get that and maybe some of iiNet's customer service. Although the latter is probably pretty unlikely…

  • +3

    TPG is being advised by Macquarie Capital (Australia) Limited, as financial adviser

    Enough said!!

  • +1

    Customers are the life blood of ISP's like iiNet & without them there won't be ISP's.

    So why aren't customers asked if they approve the takeover by one of the worse ISP's TPG and why aren't iinet customers told what well happened with their service so they have time to cancel their iinet service or well they only be told AFTER the unwanted and stupid takeover forcing them to pay a TPG disconnected fee?

    Because in dealing with TPG I know going to them well be going into the gutter, as they have very poor service & connections and people must lack common sense, if they think the take over well improve service and connection for iinet customers.

    • +4

      So why aren't customers asked if they approve the takeover

      Capitalism 101. You are a customer not an owner so you don't get a say. Do you get to vote if your favourite café is sold to a new owner? If you as a customer don't like how a company runs the business, you can take your business elsewhere. In theory.

      • But greenpossum unlike coffee shops, with ISP taking over other ISP especially smaller ones, you don't have much choice of what one to go with.

        • Welcome to the real world. Support the smaller companies like Aldi then.

          I'm watching and waiting. If my service deteriorates, I may be looking for a new ISP. And I'm not a demanding customer, I just want good uptime and speed. I haven't called support since I signed up with Netspace way back, only have made a couple of queries to Whirlpool which pointed me to the solution.

        • @greenpossum:

          And in the real world that I live in.

          Aldi mobile (being part of a large supermarket chain) only supplies mobile phones service not Internet especially mobile broadband.

          But if you know something different?

          And come on get into the real world, how can users support smaller ISP when they get taken over by larger ISP?

          Also like you I could be looking at a new ISP?

          Choices? Spintel, M2 group, etc

        • @kwv42: The reference to Aldi was with respect to Coolies.

          In capitalist theory, if current service deteriorates, then it will become more attractive for a new entrant to supply services. That's the theory.

        • @kwv42:

          Choices? Spintel, M2 group, etc

          M2 group is run by Dodo.

        • @ms:
          Dodo is run by M2 group***

        • @clse945111:
          Sorry, my bad then.

        • @greenpossum:

          Support the smaller companies like Aldi then.

          Lol. You do know Aldi is a global company right? It is much larger than Coles and Woolworths combined.

        • -1

          @Son ofa Zombie: Not in Australian terms which is the context here. Do you also know that there are two entities, Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud, corresponding to the two brothers?

        • @greenpossum: anyway you cut it, Aldi is not small company. Anyways, i'll give you full marks for your understanding of capitalism.

        • @Son ofa Zombie: Many small companies on the Australian stage are big players globally but provide good deals locally because they want traction. Coolies is in no threat from Aldi, so they can continue to charge a premium.

          Capitalism 101 is actually a misnomer, it should be Free Market Economics 101. Bearing in mind that 101 only describes the over-simplistic theory and that the deeper you delve the more distortions you find.

        • @greenpossum: would you be happier if i said i disagree?

          the fundamental rules never change. I have a post grad degree in the subject, and 95% of Economics is common sense deliberately made complicated.

          sorry to disappoint but it is not actually hard.

        • @Son ofa Zombie: I didn't say was hard, I said that in the real world there are many other factors. For one example the theory assumes perfect knowledge by all the participants but that is seldom the case. One reason for advertising is to convince buyers that the offer is better value, which may or may not be the case.

          Let's take the example I gave of poor service leading to a new entrant gaining customers. In reality, there are barriers to new entrants, so it will take resources and time to remedy the situation.

  • -1

    Isn't Malcolm Turnball a director of Macquarie Capital (Australia) Limited?

    So I say The Takeover Panel well say yes to the unwanted takeover, even if 100% of shareholders say no (Forget what the customers have to say even those they are the lifeblood of iinet)?

    • The takeover won't complete unless 75% of the iiNet shareholders (in value) and 50% in number approve - it's going ahead by way of scheme of arrangement. The Takeover Panel won't intervene but rather the Federal Court will make a decision as to whether minority shareholders and other classes of shareholders have been treated fairly in the process.

      Please get your facts correct before posting.

  • Malcolm Maiden in lying by saying the unwanted takeover made sense.

    I am wondering if he had shares in iinet?

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/tpgiinet…

    • +4

      Why do you say it is lying?
      TPG have paid a lot, I think, but iiNet is focussed on the west coast rather than the east where TPG started. They also bring a combined scale that makes it cheaper to do things with the NBN. For example, TPG have a fibre cable to Asia. It costs them the same to operate whether they have 700k customers or 1.7m, so they get economies of scale.

      • I am wondering if kwv42 actually understood anything in the article before accusing Malcolm Maiden of "lying"?

        Point out the untruths or fallacies in Maiden's evaluation of the financial merits of the transaction and then you might have some credibility. It IS an article in the Business section on the SMH. Whether you don't get the warm and fuzzies from his analysis is really irrelevant.

  • -1

    Mskeggs I say he is lying based on facts.

    Because unlike him, I focus on being a customer of iinet and helping someone who was a TPG customer.

    And from this I say if you are a iinet customer, you well go from good service and connection to very poor service and connection.

    But with your research what evidence do you have even with themselves and their other companies Westnet, Adam and Internode, iinet is only focussed on the East Coast?

    And next time you reply, please do not reply like you work in sales for TPG and getting them a free plug.

    • Okay, which facts is he lying about?

      Arguing that the merger makes sense from a financial perspective isn't lying. It's his opinion. You're entitled to your opinion but it doesn't make you a liar because someone else disagrees.

      Now, point out some actual facts in his article which are untrue and then maybe you have a leg to stand on.

      In picking his article to evaluate and accusing him of being a liar, I'm assuming you know your EPS from your EBITDA.

  • -1

    Mskeggs if TPG paid a lot for what? service and connection?

    Then why are customers getting a cheap and poor customer service and connection?

    Also by not having email address and twitter and Facebook and CEO covering up when media is around, what is TPG hiding from?

    So if you want to have a serious conversation, please focus on the facts and not focus on what to be seen as a sale pitch for TPG.

    Thanks :-)

    • Also by not having email address

      Actually if any ISP offered me a discount for not having a mailbox with them, I'd take it. Especially if data retention becomes law over all the protests, it will cost ISPs more to handle email. All my email except the bill comes through over the top services like Gmail, etc. which will bypass retention.

  • +1

    Also other information mskeggs or the old man as the photo is.

    Is that TPG started off selling computer and parts, where iinet started of what they are now, a ISP

  • Now if someone got into the real world, to see it is stupid to compare coffee shops to ISP.

    As unlike coffee shops, with takeovers especially larger ISP taking over smaller ones.

    You don't have a great choice to choose from especially going with smaller ones for example I was with Dingoblue until it got taken over by Optus and then it was no longer.

    Other smaller ones and now no longer zipworld.

    • But what is your alternative? Customers telling owners what to do has no legal basis. That the state take over everything and ensure everything is fair? The only handle governments have on this is anti-competition laws. You can see how much success they have had with supermarkets.

      • Thanks for the update on Aldi.

        But you are right greenpossum what are the alternative?

        And if a service is deteriorating, then I say a new player well come in and buy the service?

  • Going back to the proposed unwanted and not needed TPG takeover of iinet.

    Would iinet other companies like Westnet, Internode and Adam be bought by TPG?

    Or would they be sold off to other companies or be on their own as before?

    • +1

      Those are already part of iiNet so would be part of the new entity automatically.

      • Are you sure about this?

        As hasn't been there takeovers or Demerger, where companies has spun off or Demerger other companies within the company they bought?

        http://www.delisted.com.au/capital-gains-tax/demerged

        • All my bills come from iiNet now. I can use the Internode file archive and get iiNet's iview for free. The only vestige that I was with Netspace is the login ID for ADSL and the grandfathered plan I'm still on.

          Don't hang on to false hopes. Why would iiNet not absorb the acquired companies for economies of scale?

        • -1

          @greenpossum:

          News for you iinet has already absorb Westnet and Internode.

          So I say you meant TPG.

          But you are right, if TPG is allowed to take over iiet, I won't give false hope that service and connection well be improved as a iinet customers.

        • @kwv42: No, I really meant Netspace. That was another of iiNet's acquisitions, along with Westnet, Internode and others I haven't been tracking. However Internode's file archives are still available under an Internode domain name, e.g. mirror.internode.on.net. Those are free downloads for me and I have been using that archive for a while so I definitely know Internode was absorbed by iiNet.

          Don't automatically assume people don't know what they are writing if they don't quite meet your expectations.

        • -1

          @greenpossum:

          This is even more confusing as TPG is taking over iinet and maybe their companies like Westnet, Internode and Adam.

          So who is Netscape taking over?

          Don't worry about replying, if you come up with even more confusing comments.

          Thanks

        • @kwv42: Netspace, not Netscape. You need glasses, and to read what I wrote again.

        • -7

          @greenpossum:

          I automatically assume people don't know what they are writing if they don't quite meet your expectations?

          LOL

          Try again, I didn't want others to meet my expectations, that is your claim.

          So if you got nothing useful to write including confusing comments.

          Don't other replying again.

          Going back to the proposed unwanted and not needed TPG takeover of iinet.

          Would iinet other companies like Westnet, Internode and Adam be bought by TPG?

          Or would they be sold off to other companies or be on their own as before?

        • +1

          @kwv42: LOL, I think anybody who is reading this thread will know that you are the one who is confused and spouting non sequiturs.

          Short and long of it: iiNet took over Netspace, Internode, Westnet and other ISPs. If TPG acquires iiNet, probably all of it will come under TPG, although they may retain the separate branding. Whether customer service will suffer for the former iiNet customers is an open question.

        • -1

          @greenpossum:

          Netspace, not Netscape, so picky aren't when facing the truth?

          That reading your own comments you do not know who is taking over who.

          It is not iinet or Netspace taking over anyone, it is TPG proposed taking over iinet and maybe their other companies.

        • @kwv42: I never wrote about Netspace taking over anything. Netspace doesn't exist any more. It's all iiNet now and will become part of TPG if it goes ahead. We don't disagree on that. You just took a strange interpretation of something I never wrote.

        • -2

          @greenpossum:

          Short and long of it:

          You are confused as didn't you write the following?

          "Don't hang on to false hopes. Why would iiNet not absorb the acquired companies for economies of scale?"

          And then you claim you really said Netspace?

          As it is not iinet taking over other ISP's, it is is TPG taking over iinet and their companies.

          So if you want to be spouting non sequiturs, go ahead.

        • -3

          @greenpossum:

          Here we go again, blaming me for what you actually wrote.

          Have a nice life living like this.

        • @kwv42:

          Don't hang on to false hopes. Why would iiNet not absorb the acquired companies for economies of scale?

          What I meant was you were hoping that those former ISPs like Internode still have a separate corporate identity and be exempt from the sale to TPG were you not? I don't think that's is the case. I think they are all part of iiNet now and TPG will get the whole lot.

        • @greenpossum:

          And once again what about Adam, Netspace, WestNet and Internode?

          Well they stay or well they go?

          On 2nd thoughts don't bother replying, as your own comments proves you are confused of who is buying who.

        • @kwv42: They are part of iiNet already, that's what I'm saying, all signs are that the operations have merged. So they will be acquired by TPG.

        • @greenpossum:

          And what I am saying that you have seen to missed, is there been takeovers where companies in the take over companies has been spun off or demerged.

        • @kwv42: I know what you are saying. We can differ here, I have no problem with that. You may be right, but my feeling is TPG will not sell off the parts of iiNet that came from smaller ISPs, for reasons that they have already been absorbed into iiNet* and for economies of scale. That's the whole reason for TPG to get more customers, so that they can have more clout in the market. That was also the reason why iiNet took over the smaller ISPs, to get more customers. So as I have bluntly said, I think it's a vain hope.

          * Look the (im)practicalities. For one example my grandfathered Netspace plan doesn't exist anymore. If I change to another (iiNet) plan I can never get my old plan back. I'm sticking with it because it cheaper than what iiNet offers and is adequate for me. But what about people who were also Netspace customers and took up iiNet plans. Do they go back to a resurrected Netspace or not in a demerger? Same goes for former Internode, etc. customers. That's why I think TPG will get the whole lock, stock and barrel.

        • +1

          @kwv42:

          The Scheme of Arrangement is publicly available here:
          http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20150313/pdf/42x7skx29vmnvt.pdf
          TPG are seeking to acquire everything iiNet owns, the whole business, staff, brands etc.

          iiNet are not able to "spin off" any of their brands prior to the scheme's conclusion in June (when the sale will officially complete) as it would void the offer, and their board of directors is recommending it be accepted.
          Once TPG owns iiNet and all the sub-brands it may choose to sell them off, but TPG has indicated it intends to keep the brands, so I think that is unlikely.
          It isn't clear why TPG would pay a premium to acquire iiNet and all the sub-brands, then turn around and sell off parts, but if that was the most profitable action, I suppose it could happen.

        • +1

          @mskeggs: Remember this transaction is EPS accretive in year one so it is good if you follow those metrics :)

  • +2

    This is quite baffling because it is like seeing a regional newspaper trying to acquire The Herald Sun.

    TPG are smaller, both in revenue, broadband customer base and employees, have far lower brand loyalty, and don't actually own any of their own last mile infrastructure. They don't have any NBN subscribers, in fact TPG's saving grace was its acquisition of the PPC-1 undersea cable which allows it to retain fairly dedicated corporate/government base in the Eastern states.

    TPG are a total backwater, wannabe-Telstra, cowboy outfit.

    iiNet have been far more than just another ISP. They've been one of the only, if not the only, major corporations voicing concerns for consumer rights when it comes to privacy, censorship, metadata, copyright infringement and numerous other important issues that everyone else is content to sleep on.

    • I don't disagree with any of that, but I am personally less than thrilled with iiNet at present…
      'Make-believe' billing on the account in my name. Three dodgy invoices in a row with charges that I've had to ring and have stripped. Grrrr…

      • If TPG is allowed to take over iinet, there well be more grrr for iinet customers.

        • +1

          Yes. Most likely.

    • +3

      This merger was not a surprise from a business point of view. iiNet manages their brand much better than TPG. TPG, on the other hand, is more about better value for money: unlimited ADSL2+ Internet (they were the first to introduce it in Australia); they were the first one to offer large download allowance previously also; they were the first one to offer shaping that is still usable (1Mbits), instead of 64K/56K modem like speed) and using static IPs (static IP is generally something most ISPs won't do). General public probably want better reliability and better service.

      It is fine not to like TPG. However, there is no doubt that TPG made some positive contributions to Australia's broadband Internet. Its aggressive pricing and being the first to offer more and actually reasonable amount of download for broadband did change Australia's broadband market.

      It will be a challenge for TPG though, because a substantial percentage of iiNet customers don't like TPG. Retaining those customers will be a key area that TPG need to work on. This merger is more than just increase customer base. It is also about NBN, otherwise Telstra will dominate the NBN market (at least on the infrastructure side).

      • You mention the past glories for TPG - and they were pioneers in the market for the reasons you state, but the laurels happily given by early customers are looking pretty dusty now.

        Plenty of TPG refugees. I presume that 'baz3139' at the top of the thread was one…

        • To be honest, I feel AUS broadband providers are all fairly average.

          I helped friends and family friends on TPG before. Pretty much all had issues caused by Tel$tra. My iiNet mates only asked me to suggest a better wifi router (they were happy with Internet connection).

          It is either both companies stay separate and still being handcuffed by Telstra now and in the future. Or, they merge and become bigger. iiNet won't buy TPG because that will probably hurt their image (plus they probably don't want TPG's infrastructure). So, only TPG have incentive to merge with iiNet.

          Also, the #1 ISP in Australia in terms of best customer service, did not make enough money to keep the shareholders happy.

      • You didn't mention…. They were the first to introduce "congested" DSLAMs to the industry lol.
        I am guessing if they purchase iiNet they will also get Internode. They have an uphill war to fight to keep customers….

        I got a feeling they might take over iiNet and dissolve the TPG brand then use iiNet.
        That's what I notice utilities companies doing when their own brand is a piece of crap and they take over another company which has better branding and pretend to be them.

    • +1

      It's not that baffling. TPG have a market cap of $8.4b and iinet more like $1.4b. Even if you account for TPG's inflated P/E ratio, their earnings must be ~3x Iinet.

      So a larger telco company acquiring a smaller company with a retail footprint (and potentially infrastructure) and for the deal to be earnings accretive (presumably partially from the difference in multiple) makes financial sense.

  • +1

    Awesome, so we'll now get charged iiNet premium pricing, with support/speed of TPG.

    Thanks, but no thanks.

    • The value of iiNet partially derives from its excellent reputation with the Australian customer base. TPG will likely try to maintain this without 'superimposing' its own way of doing business on top of iiNet, Internode, Westnet and other subsidiaries. Obviously, TPG would want to to prevent a loss of value after the takeover from losing a significant portion of the iiNet customer base.

  • -4

    This move should be opposed, but we live in Australia, where shareholders come first and customers last. Diversity is disappearing in the corporate world as companies buy out competitors. We need Antitrust Legislation, or in the near future democracies will be just like Commie countries, where there is just one choice for citizens.

    Soon, for broadband, there will only be ripoff Telstra, ripoff Optus, and the cheap but dodgy TPG group, none of which will defend their customers against a Stasi-like government intent on spying on everyone, stripping people of digital freedoms, and selling them out to US corporate interests like the despicable Dallas Buyers Club LLC. Welcome to life in the Commonwealth of Australia LLC, 100% owned by American capitalists.

    • +1

      We do have antitrust legislation?

      You're actually contradicting yourself - fully-fledged capitalism would advocate not opposing this move because market forces are dictating that this move is appropriate (especially in telco where the large infrastructure investment requires economies of scale). Instead, you want government intervention (and presumably ownership) - which is really much more towards a "Commie" country.

      So what do you want, to be capitalist or to be commie? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

      • +1

        Why are there only 2 options? Why is either a capitalist or a commie?

        Also state ownership is not the goal of the communism but of socialism.

  • -1

    TPG buying iinet is like Geely Motors buying Volvo.

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