Max Employment wont help unless they know they wont get a cut?/ Are they scammers?

mp3police on 22/12/2014 - 19:28
Last edited 22/12/2014 - 19:30

Just wanted to know what your thoughts are on these organizations.
I have been with max employment for about a year now and have been doing all the required stuff for them and such and every appointment I have had they have the same 6 jobs they have advertised as having vacancies I have told them to put my application through every single appointment I've had, as well as actually going out and filling the application forms and handing my resume in person and never heard anything back or a reply until..

I have been going through a month long application process with a big company that I have been able to get into on my own and had to do a bunch of inductions, physicals and drug tests, I had to call max to tell them I couldn't make it to the appointment due to having have to be at a physical test, where on the phone the people from max are telling me if I get the job make sure I tell them and all this stuff as they could help me and such.

However within a few days of telling them I might have a job I was given a phone call to tell me that they have organized an interview with one of the jobs they have been advertising all year for me to go to tomorrow.
I understand they want me to tell them if I got this job so they can get their big bonuses from the government for something they had no involvement with but also I feel they are trying to undercut this job I have been going through with another job I cannot refuse if I was hired.

I think its wrong that I have been desperate for a job all year applying for the same jobs over and over that they have advertised but they could not help me until they know they would not get any profits from the job I have found on my own.

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  adamren on 22/12/2014 - 20:37

  +4

  Hmm sounds a bit suss. Not sure but they're privatised and quota driven. And I've heard that yes they do get paid for placing you plus the referral fee by the company that employs you if they've arranged that.

  Anyone know if it's true they get paid $10k even if you just went there for a week and did your own job search and got the job yourself? Crazy. No wonder govt spending is so out of control.

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    [Deactivated] on 23/12/2014 - 01:42

    +1

    I think the bonus level increases depending on what stream you are in, so like stream 1 (first year or so) wouldn't be too much which is why they do shit all to help, all the money comes from placing stream 2, 3 and 4 people.
    I'm with this completely useless mob and have every intention of trying to ensure that these people don't get a cent of "bonus" for the job I got myself with the qualifications I paid for myself!
    The system is set up for the lowest common denominator, so it works if you are after a job on a chicken farm which they will place you in after a year or so of no action, but anything above that and you are left out in the cold.

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      mp3police on 23/12/2014 - 02:42

      +2

      Yup I have friends who had been going through with them as well, they were placed into jobs where they would be only employed long enough so max employment and also the employer would get the benefits cut them and get the new lot to start for the same reason.
      I couldn't say 100% if its consistent and true but from at least 4 people I know this has happened to.

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    cim85 on 23/12/2014 - 07:55

    +2

    My understanding is that the Max staff are on performance bonuses therefore you will get no assistance unless they can line their own pockets in gold. I have experience as an employer with this mob and they are useless.

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  mp3police on 22/12/2014 - 20:52

  +2

  I have read threads about max employment harassing people for pay checks going as far as calling up the boss of their jobs so they can provide "proof" that the client has a job to claim the money.

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  nikey2k27 on 22/12/2014 - 21:24

  +1

  They do get money. that why they do it. i told max to piss off few years ago keep call my boss up ask for pay check as it was small company every body know every think.

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  Davo1111 on 23/12/2014 - 00:10

  just contact them and discontinue the arrangement. Did you sign a contract?

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  adamren on 23/12/2014 - 01:47

  +1

  Wow, that sucks. How are they still in business? There was reports in the paper and TV about some dodgy employment agency that lost a govt contract. Perhaps we'll read about Max soon.

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  [Deactivated] on 23/12/2014 - 07:41

  +2

  The government should get rid of these job agencies, they don't help, money placed by the government in a fund meant to train jobseekers to get skilled and get a job is never used, instead they run these useless 1-day courses and claim big money of that fund.
  When jobseeker wants a real training course ie. Forklift licence, he's told to fund it from his own pocket.
  Disgraceful.

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  terrys on 23/12/2014 - 11:27

  +1

  I'd go to the interview. I'd even take the job - and also tell them you are expecting another offer, name the wage and conditions, and see if they can match it. If they can't, and they offer you the job, stay up until the first day the other job begins…..
  Keep Centerlink in the loop, you have an income bank to draw from.

  I was hassled for about two weeks some years ago by Status, wanting to know the details of an employer I had found myself. It only took that long for them to "remember" that there was a $1000 bonus for me after 3 months employment…

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJM1D4CWHX0

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  minniethemoocher on 23/12/2014 - 16:38

  Can you accept the appointment then call in sick? Perhaps I you mess them around they will leave you alone.

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    mp3police on 23/12/2014 - 17:04

    they just cut your payments off if you have any

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  emibel19 on 23/12/2014 - 21:32

  Why does the first part of the subject say the opposite of what it means?

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  micemeat on 02/02/2015 - 20:38

  I just got sent to max employment in December. walked in filled some documents and registered for there broken website. got told to come back in three months, because i am a lvl 1 or something and that's it. So much for helping me find work.

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  nette on 28/01/2016 - 18:57

  You have no legal obligation to give Max employment any paper work to do so and you can just ignore them. They want your payslips and paper work signed to prove you are employed so that they can tell Centrelink they helped you and receive a massive payment for "Helping you". It's a massive rort, always has been.You have no obligations.. If you were employed as a contractor through them, they would be paying your wages and have access to your payslips.Always will be until taxpayers decide to demand change.

  From an employer's perspective, one never ceases to be surprised by the depths that some employment agencies will go to in an effort to justify their existence and income stream from job seekers who have found employment in their own right.

  Even worse, our government and public service people don't really care as the money isn't coming out of their own pockets or budgets…..and 'toyota' the taxpayers who are footing the bill.

  Edit: oops, I went off topic. No, don't send them anything. If you do, you're basically giving a prime rib steak to a parasite on society vulture.Don't do it.

  I heard about a lady in her fifties in a similar position. The agency was insistent about getting her employers contact detaiis to the point of calling and emailing every few days.

  Some idiot advised her to hand them over, and the agency rang up HR and started hassling them directly for a payslip. They also cold called her line manager asking about vacancies and offering their services.
  It is horrible how employment agencies have found their way into the employment world. It's even worse that they are now the default choice for Centrelink as defacto welfare assessment officers.

  Many people on Centrelink either need no help at all as in this case, or very specialised and longer term help with training and/or job hunting skills. I'd much rather see this done through educational and training industries with qualified personnel, not just commission based sales people who quite often have absolutely no background in the industries they are dealing with.

  job seekers who have found employment in their own right.

  Thats why the payment should go straight to the employer. The employment agency should only get paid by the employer and only if they actually contracted them to find personnel.

  Personally I'd like to see no payments made at all, but I do understand that it can help people gain roles which they may not be able to in the normal competitive world.AFAIK job agencies are entitled to a (smaller) payment if someone finds a job independently. It sounds like they need the payslip to claim this entitlement.

  OP – if you're still getting payments from Centrelink (they should be at a nil rate?) hold max employment off for a few weeks – you have 6 consecutive fortnights you can get a nil payment while your health care card is still active before your newstart cancels.

  If you're no longer on Centrelink payments then you don't have to do anything – max employment have no leverage against you so AFAIK you can ignore them.don't give them anything, they want to claim a kickback and say they helped you get a job so they get paid. I fully support the efforts of the many everyday folk who work hard in the lower levels of the public service.

  Back to your post, we have far too many vultures (read bottom feeders/parasites ) who have far too close links to our politicians and senior public servants.

  Everyday hard working Au people are paying billions funding the pay and benefits of the upper echelons of the public service, only to see these supposedly professional and competent managers unable to do their own tasks.

  So what are our illustrious and revered public service upper level bureaucrats doing? Yes, farming out more and more of their work scope to the private sector…at an added cost of course. Do they care? of course not as when it goes wrong, it's those ignorant taxpayers who foot the bill.Don't give them anything. Those JSA bluggers don't deserved to get paid for doing absolutely nothing to help anyone to get a job.Just ignore them. They want it as credit to them finding you a role.

  They did a similar thing when my wife went onto a fulltime role. She was already in the army reserve had just completed uni and was offered a year fulltime service. At the time she had just changed from austudy to the dole prior to being offered the fulltime service gig.

  The job agency took her getting the fulltime service gig as a win for the agency. When in fact they had nothing to do with it.
  The best thing to do is to block their number and ignore their letters.

  They want to take the cake in you getting work because they provide services such as "Job Action Group" and other soft skills training sessions and assume it was these that got you the job.

  The JSAs are a huge bureaucratic black holes – once you get sucked in its very hard to get out. With Max being a subsidiary of a large American corporation, the pressure is on for the 'Consultant' to get an outcome.Ask Max Employment to provide you with a link to the legal requirement for them to have access to your pay slip.

  If they give you a link, please post it here.

  Don't reckon you'll get the link though.I had a similar issue many years ago with a different provider. The provider had done nothing for me except produce a fake resume (jobs I had not undertaken, positions at other jobs that I was never in) and then demanded that I come in for interviews after I had found a job myself.

  When they sent me a similar letter demanding pay details I gave it to Centrelink along with a letter from myself clearly stating that I had received no assistance from that job provider and that I had found my employment entirely by myself. I also included – for good measure – the request that any attempt to obtain placement funds by that job provider be considered as an attempt at fraud.

  Strangely enough, I never heard back from the job provider.Happens all the time.

  I told one to shove it – they didn't help me get a job and I was not going to give them their commission.

  I was on the dole for 3 weeks – worst ever and dealing with centrelink is depressing.

  I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

  Having worked for one – rhymes with rassina susso – they are a huge rort and need to be closed down.

  The CES wasn't perfect – at least they helped get people into work.
  As someone else has already said, if you get another phone call politely ask them to put the request in writing with details on what they want, why they want it and what legislation gives them the legal right to demand it.

  Tell them you will no longer speak to them on the phone and that all communication must be in writing from now on. If they call again, hang up immediately. Keep doing that. Don't engage them in conversation. Don't even have a good rant at them over the phone, just as soon as you hear "This is Bob from Max Employment", hang up. Or if their caller ID shows their office number, reject the call ;)

  They'll soon get the message. If you really want to stir things up, you could also make a formal complaint to the Department of Employment. Their page here has the info you need near the bottom in the section beginning with "If I am not happy …"

  Oh and if they do put something in writing to you, I'd be very surprised but would be interested in what they manage to come up with as 'reasons' for demanding your payslips ;)
  Mention the words 'JSA fraud' and they shut up pretty quick.

  Also – jam a cactus, what a great saying : – )

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  nette on 28/01/2016 - 19:04

  Some of these Recruiters are scum.
  I liken them to Politicians and Car Sales People.
  They will often try these tricks to get money for nothing.
  Ignore them.Funnily enough, Max Employment tried the same thing with a relative who got a job himself and they demanded he bring in his payslips in person to them.

  My personal experience of this sort of thing was that a JSA provider got me an interview at a pub, I didn't have: RSA, RSG, experience. So I didn't get the job. That didn't stop them trying to claim money from Centrelink.

  The first I knew about it was a letter from Centrelink asking why I had not declared my earning. I rang Centrelink and the they thought I was doing cash in hand. I told them to call the pub and they would tell them that I was never employed there.

  This type of thing bought several providers undone at the last review a few years ago, those who engaged in it deliberately and systematically lost out and had their funding reduced. They have clearly not learnt anything from this and will again be penalised in the next review. The only way they are going to learn is clearly the hard way, they should be reported for attempting to claim money for finding a person a job, when they clearly had nothing to do with it,I would definitely report this. Fraud by JSA providers is extremely high but because no one actually reports their dodginess, have a look here
  http://www.jobaccess.gov.au/content/making-complaint-1
  But yeah, if you're not receiving a payment from Centrelink (even if you're on a zero rate) you have no obligation to attend appointments (both with Centrelink and the provider).No, you have absolutely no obligation to give them your payslips whatsoever .

  However, to clear things up for everyone crying fraud – it is not fraud. The JSA is allowed to claim for jobs they found their clients, and also for jobs where the client found their own employment.

  Found own employment is a legitimate outcome for JSAs.

  The logic behind it is to support sustainable employment. The JSA provides Post-placement support. They can also still draw down funds to purchase items for the client to help them maintain employment.

  For example, when I worked in JSA a client of mine found his own employment as a blue-collar tradie. He needed some tools and workboots to maintain his employment. So I wrote up a purchase order for him to get some stuff he needed to get started. I kept in touch with him for the six month period to make sure everything was going well and let him know I was there if he needed anything else.

  If a JSA client finds their own job (depending on their stream) they should still be able to access support. I have helped clients with work clothing, high-vis clothing, footwear, public transport vouchers, petrol vouchers, tools. Even a client working as a pick-packer was put through his forklift ticket course to maintain his job. Even wrote a purchase order for a push-bike for a client to get to and from a job he found himself.

  Not all clients will need this support obviously.

  Of course most people who work in JSA are non-qualified glorified admin people who have no concept of the point of their job, have contempt for their clients and just want to push through outcomes without giving a damn about the client so they can meet their KPIs and get their bonuses.

  Done properly JSA can actually be helpful for people, but it's rarely done properly.

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  nette on 28/01/2016 - 19:08

  My son had a similar issue with another JSA. He sent them a blank piece of paper stating here is a copy of the payslip from the job you got me.
  They ended up giving up.An idea; tell them that you got a job as an Australian Public Servant working for Centrelink*.

  Imagine if they call up Centrelink and ask for payslips for you.

  *A better option would be to say that you got a job within the Department of Employment, as I believe that they would be the ones funding these leeches.
  Was in a similar situation about 4 years ago, found a job within 6 weeks 0 thanks to them (they didn't offer me any help since I was stream 1), which they had absolutely nothing to do with, I called to let them know as a goodwill gesture trying to do the right thing and they started demanding I give them all the details of the job so they could claim credit/commission for finding it for me. I told them to stick it where the sun don't shine. The threatened to call Centrelink, I reminded them that I have a job, so am not actually claiming a payment now so Centrelink have no payment to rescind from me.

  You owe them nothing. They didn't do anything to get you this job, so just refuse. They can't actually do anything
  Crying no, suggested yes, as I didn't know they could be paid for not succeeding.

  OP, if you can be bothered send them an email telling them that if they had helped you in any way and you found a job elsewhere, you'd be happy to show them your payslip. However because they were useless, didn't even have you on their computer system and didn't hear a word from them, then they don't deserve any form of payment from the taxpayer
  It may not be fraud, but I still definitely wouldn't be making it easy for them to claim the payment when they did nothing to assist. All it does is boost their stats/KPIs and make it look like they are performing better than they are which means the JSAs get away with being rubbish. I wouldn't want some agent getting a payment because I got off my butt and went and got a good job for myself while s/he did SFA to help me in that process.
  (For the record I agree with what you're saying)

  However, from a legislative point of view this provides for circumstances where the JSA has, and continues to, provide assistance but did not actually refer the job seeker for the position. Just because the JSA didn't assist with that specific job application doesn't mean they haven't assisted the job seeker at all. In an ideal scenario this would be the most common type of funding JSAs receive because it would mean (in part) that JSAs aren't spoon feeding jobs and has more time to focus on people who need targeted assistance.

  And I accept in the current climate of JSAs that scenario simply isn't happening for the very large majority. I do believe there are still some worthy JSAs out there as I hear stories occasionally
  God. I sent my recent payslip. Bloody agency. How can I trust anyone now. Being on Newstart has been the most degrading, humiliating, debilitating experience I've ever had. Like someone said earlier, my employment consultant is just a ditzy glorified admin worker who clearly doesn't know what she's doing, doesn't read the documents I provide her, and acts ignorant when I give her updates about my employment situation
  Personally you should not have told your JSA you got a job on your own, all they do is harass you for your employment details, call your employers up and then ask you for payslips, etc so they can get their commission from the government while they did nothing. I didn't even bother telling my JSA when I got my last job and I certainly will not tell my next JSA I found a job on my own.

  Like others said, ignore them, they can't do anything anyway since if your not on Centrelink benefits anymore.
  I'd be talking to Centrelink about the matter. If indeed they are fraudulently claiming they assisted people they did not, they should be sanctioned.Yep. So much post-placement support that the first contact I had from my provider was 8 weeks after I obtained my own job. The provider was rather surprised to find out that I had a job and, other than requests (almost demands) to have me come in and sign off their paperwork to indicate that they had found me a job, I had no other contact from them. If that is your definition of "post-placement support" then I agree, I had wonderful post-placement support.I think the idea of Post Placement Support is to make sure the 'candidate' gets to 13 and 26 weeks upon full time employment. Then the JSA can claim their 'milestone' payments at those points. These are also a significant weighing in the Star ratings (or performance measurement) by DEEWR and can make or break their next tender.

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  nette on 28/01/2016 - 19:12

  Completely correct.

  So the purpose of PPS is to make sure the person who's got the job manages to keep it. The first few weeks can be tough for people when they're starting a job with unexpected expenses from increased fuel costs to public transport fares to tools, clothing, etc.

  If it's done properly it should be a four-way win. The employee should win because they get stable and sustainable employment. The employer wins because they get a reliable employee. The JSA agency wins as they get a payment from the government because their client has stayed in work long enough to come off benefits and the federal government wins because it's one less person on Youth Allowance or Newstart.

  But of course if the JSA agency completely ballses it up, none of those things happen and it's a massive four-way fail.

  Hopefully the agencies who can't get their act together and offer poor or non-existant PPS will lose their contracts in the next round of tenders because their stats will reflect their inability to perform…

  posted 2014-Sep-18, 11:19 pm

  ausghostdog writes…

  please tell me I don't have to hand them over, why should they get anything for doing nothing.

  It seems to me like Max employment and Centrelink weren't on the same page.

  As far as I know Max reports to Centrelink that you've been to their interviews and in turn Centrelink pays you the dole. Those interviews are pretty useless and not helpful.

  If you don't go to any Max interviews then they have to report it to Centrelink who will cut off your dole.

  As an excuse to not attending interviews because you are 'working' they require you to show proof through payslips (that's what I did).

  I don't think Max is looking for 'your' money but rather they're just incompetent and have no idea what's going on between you and Centrelink. If I remember correctly Max gets bonuses from the Government if they land you a job (another reason they want you to show them your payslip so they say helped). It has nothing to do with you so don't worry.

  In any case just don't show them anything. If you're not on the Dole and paying tax tell them to go annoy someone else.
  False claims boost chance of survival in jobs game" smh.com.au 19/12/2011
  http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/false-claims-boost-chance-of-survi…

  "Max Employment, a subsidiary of a giant US corporation, is the local industry's biggest player. Last year the government paid it $167 million."

  At the time this SMH article was written; that $167 million equated to some $2 million per branch. If their wages for ~ some 10 people amount to 50K each then that's still only a quarter of their allocation… not to mention the bonuses & kickbacks that are the subject of this thread… It's a rort imo
  Wouldn't a large percentage of people reach these milestones without any assistance from a JSA?
  Isn't it possible for a JSA to provide minimal if any assistance and yet still claim the payments?
  Isn't there a problem that job seekers aren't being contacted by Centrelink to validate JSA claims?

  If you receive any kind of assistance from Centrelink you're flooded with paperwork up to your ears yet, checks seem to be missing to ensure the Job Agencies don't claim money they're not entitled to… but then of course, is there any point for the government to question the system which is obviously "working" and "providing" people with jobs? Of course not

  Definitely a percentage of jobseekers / new employees would be just fine on their own that's for certain. How high that percentage is, I wouldn't like to guess.

  But a significant number of the people the JSAs work with are those considered long term unemployed and people with multiple challenges or barriers to employment.

  For those people, they need every ounce of help they can get to not only get a job but to hold on to it. They are the people the government wants most to see in 26 weeks ongoing employment.

  Isn't it possible for a JSA to provide minimal if any assistance and yet still claim the payments?

  Yes although the payments are on a sliding scale. When I was involved in Job Network (which hasn't been for about 8 years now) the lowest payment would be around $250. They'd be for the people who were very employable and who'd need no post placement support. The highest fees were for keeping the very long term unemployed in work or the people with major barriers (such as recovering drug addicts, homeless people, folks with mental illnesses, etc). If the JSA managed to keep someone like this in 13 weeks of work they'd get about $1500. If they made it to 26 weeks they'd get another $1500.

  Isn't there a problem that job seekers aren't being contacted by Centrelink to validate JSA claims?

  Centrelink aren't the 'bosses' of the employment services game. They're responsible for making the payments to the people on welfare. They're not in charge of the payments to the JSA agencies.

  The people who should be monitoring the agencies and making sure the claims put through are legitimate is the Department of Employment. (Or the Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations as they were called when I was in Job Network years and years ago…)

  If you receive any kind of assistance from Centrelink you're flooded with paperwork up to your ears yet, checks seem to be missing to ensure the Job Agencies don't claim money they're not entitled to… but then of course, is there any point for the government to question the system which is obviously "working" and "providing" people with jobs? Of course not…

  There was a news article referenced some time back from 2011 which showed that the Job Network / Job Services Australia system is cheaper to run than the old CES and gets more outcomes. So perhaps (and this is just a wild guess) the government thinks that a certain level of "mis-claiming" isn't worth worrying about as they're spending less than they would if they had a government department doing the work… Who knows?

  Zebedee writes…

  If the JSA managed to keep someone like this in 13 weeks of work

  What exactly does JSA have to do with someone who is no longer searching for a job?

  Job Network / Job Services Australia system is cheaper to run than the old

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  nette on 28/01/2016 - 19:25

  They could probably outsource the claims section and get the same result. Does JSA charge for employers to advertise? Is it much cheaper than using a commercial service?

  I was shown a resume of a friend a while back which was done by the JSA (he is computer illiterate) and I was stunned at the substandard quality of it. And not just the content, the layout was atrocious,Because finding a person a job is only the first part of what they're meant to do.

  JSAs are meant to find people sustainable employment. Back in the days of the CES, they were really good at placing people into work. But one of the weaknesses of that system was they'd not necessarily match people into work that the person would last in. (There's a bunch of reasons why, which is a saga in itself so let's not go there right now …)

  What they found was a 'revolving door' scenario. Someone would come in, get a job through the CES jobs board and go into work. They might last a day or two, or a week or two then something would happen and they'd lose that job and be back in the CES queue the following day where the cycle repeated.

  So when the government at the time set up Job Network, they didn't want to just replicate the CES model, they wanted to make the Job Network organisations responsible for making sure people got a job and stayed in it long enough to come right off the dole.

  That's why they put in these 13 and 26 week periods that the Job Network agencies had to monitor the person in the job and support them to make sure they didn't have any difficulties such as not being able to afford appropriate work clothes, not being able to afford bus fare to get to/from work, not having the right tools to do their jobs, etc etc. All of these things were reasons why people left jobs in the past and ended up back in the CES queue.

  Does JSA charge for employers to advertise? Is it much cheaper than using a commercial service?

  Back when I worked for a Job Network agency it didn't cost the employers anything to advertise vacancies. And the organisation I worked for would do some of the things that the commercial recruitment agencies did such as pre-screening applicants and only putting forward say half a dozen people who met the employer's requirements.

  So if it was an office admin position and you needed to know a particular software package, the employer would put that in as an essential criteria. Sending people who'd never heard of that software package obviously isn't going to do the employer any good, it won't do the jobseekers any good and it doesn't do the Job Network agency any good.

  Same goes for if someone needed a forklift ticket. If it's an essential criteria there's no point in sending someone for an interview if they don't have one. But as a Job Network agency, we could dip into a pool of government funding to pay for a forklift course for that jobseeker to help make them more employable.

  I wish I knew all this a few years ago. I had just finished studying and moved over to newstart while looking for a job, and I had to go through Max Employment, but they did absolutely nothing for me. I found a job in a couple weeks through my own efforts, then they rang me and asked for all of the details of my job (which I gave them) – I wish I didn't because they literally did nothing.

  I had one 'interview' with them where they asked me questions about my qualifications and what kind of job I wanted and that's it. Their advice was to apply for jobs relating to that (gee, thanks) lol.

  That's because when John Howard was in power he had the great idea to abolish the C.E.S and privatize the job seeking market. Causing job network agencies to be profit motivated.Rather than starting a new thread covering the same ground I just wanted to update this one with a question.

  What actually happens when you tell them you have a job? It's one thing letting them cash in for zero effort, but it's potentially harmful having them talk to your new boss – I wouldn't want my boss knowing details of my unemployment period at all.

  I assume since payslips have been mentioned, they will talk to your employer also?
  If you decide that you want to tell them anything, just state that you have found work by yourself, so if they were thinking of starting to help you any time soon, to not bother.

  Don't tell them where, when, how much you are being paid, your shoe size, the air speed velocity of an unladen European (or African) swallow, or anything else.

  "Jam a Cactus" I think was a phrase mentioned further back in the thread….
  Reading this thread made me fume. How shameless and dodgy are these employment agencies! OP you should make a complaint to centerlink or which ever authority even if it doesn't have any immediate outcome. I would even write to your MP and contact news media to shame them and prevent them preying off others and ripping off commission!.

  reference: whrl.pl/Reby8L

  posted 2015-Jan-8, 3:13 pm

  I would hand them over unless you want to get get off the dole, if you need it, not sure the hours your doing. When i went from the dole to being self employed, and i didi it all myself, i asked them if i could do a course in painting and decorating and they said no, now i'm a self employed painter, ive never done a days work for another painter – about 3 months after i finished they keep calling wondering if i was still self employed even after i didint even get benefits anymore – when they didi call just before i went off the dole they would ask every little thing i was doing even though i claimed every cent i made as self employed – They cut me off and i had to pay back a fortnights pay because they called i made more money which was crap – if you hand it over they'll try and cancel your payment, if you dont they will cancel your payment – There is a specific person in these agency whos job it is to chase these people who start earning and they will try and find a way to cancel your payments, its just how there mind works, there trying to catch you thats why there asking
  had to travel interstate and canvas employers to get my job. No assistance received. I had previously asked if they'd foot the bill for a First Aid course as that's always good to have. Point blank refused.

  While I was still in there, some slackers came in putting together a foul broken sentence of english demanding their fuel cards. I was amazed when they promptly received some (looked like $60 worth of Caltex star cards).

  Really? You're going to do that in front of me? The guy who did it all on his own and stands to potentially make you guys $$$$ for the next 6 months?!

  So I'm ringing them up right now, lying and saying the job fell through.

  I legitimately start employment in 2 weeks time, after which time their numbers go on blocklist and I'm happy in full time employment
  last night's TV (ABC Four Corners) program – http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/02/23/4183437.ht… – described how dodgy government funded employment agencies (including a giant for-profit US corporation – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximus_Inc.) are filling out fake claim forms to get government money – one example causing an old man to lose his benefits, lose his family home, and become homeless – that sight caused one employee to turn whistleblower

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  WilliamsB on 29/09/2018 - 00:14

  +1

  I have been working for the last 3 months and yesterday I got called to the office about an email that they had gotten from my Max Employment agent saying that I was planning on quitting. I had mentioned that I had gotten a second job and that I may resign at the end of the year but I don't see why she needed to tell them that information. It is very rude and unprofessional. I now work under someone that does not trust me and my head chef no longer puts in the effort to train me. This was a very bad move and I honestly think that they need to fire some staff.
  Dodgy company.

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    nikey2k27 on 29/09/2018 - 09:31

    It like as if they want you back on the dole