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This site is offering a Free Sharps Bin (1L) to anyone who buys acupuncture needles or dry needles in November. They stock Red Coral Natural Premium Needles and Myotech Dry Needles.
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Acupunture Practitioners: FREE 1L Sharps Bin with Any Acupuncture or Dry Needles Purchase @ iHealth Sphere
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AssociatedLthelab on 05/11/2014 - 13:11 ihealthsphere.com.au (78 clicks)
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fyi acupuncture was scientifically proven to be ineffective.
The brain is a tricky thing. If the person getting stuck with needles believes they will help they often do. The placebo effect is a real and measurable thing.
Pity it only works on yoga practitioners and oprah fans….
Works on OzBargainers too apparently, there's confirmation every time we see an upvoted bodybuilding supplement post. :P
It's just sad when it costs them a lot of money and they believe in it so heavily that they postpone or even forgo actual medical treatment.
Lol, when it comes to scientifically proving things, it is always how you dress up the problem to prove your point. Omit some details here, ignore a few here, make a few assumptions and BAM you have your study done.
There is plenty of articles which point to accupuncture being useful, and then there is always some which say it isn't.
There is a reason why it has existed and continue to exist for over 3000 years, if it never worked then I highly doubt it would have lasted that long.
I have seen some pretty amazing things done with Chinese Medicine and Accupuncture, you'd think I was lying if I told you. Just because it hasn't been able to be quantified in our "modern" medicine boundaries, doesn't mean it doesn't work. I've seen skeptics try it out, and they turned very quickly and swear by it now.
However there is a bad side to Chinese Medicine and Accupuncture, there is ALOT of dodgy practitoners and doctors out there, which is why quite alot of times it attracts a negative crowd.
If you find a good one, then they can truely do wonders.Plagiarism! That's a part of pseudo-science 101 published back in 19th century, when Phrenology was popular. :P
There is a reason why it has existed and continue to exist for over 3000 years, if it never worked then I highly doubt it would have lasted that long.
Give me a break. By your reasoning and thinking, we should continue to discriminate against people of colour and same-sex couples because we have been discriminating against them for over XYZ years…etc. This is a logical fallacy, just because something has 'stood the test of time' doesn't mean that it is a good or desirable thing.
Lol, when it comes to scientifically proving things, it is always how you dress up the problem to prove your point. Omit some details here, ignore a few here, make a few assumptions and BAM you have your study done.
You have no idea how research works then. I'm studying to be an academic and this is not what we do. Academic papers are peer-reviewed and there are heavy penalties for purposely omitting details or fudging results.
I have seen some pretty amazing things done with Chinese Medicine and Accupuncture, you'd think I was lying if I told you. Just because it hasn't been able to be quantified in our "modern" medicine boundaries, doesn't mean it doesn't work. I've seen skeptics try it out, and they turned very quickly and swear by it now.
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Also isolated cases are not evidence. Please go and learn about hypothesis testing and confidence intervals before saying rubbish like this. Just to rub in the point, let's say person A has an illness and decides that it would be a good idea to drink a pint of beer a day, person A is cured of the illness at a later date and now thanks his drinking and swears by drinking a pint of beer a day for the rest of his life. Ridiculous right? Please, go and learn about correlation and causation, about statistical inference and about related matters. I've spent the better part of 3 years at university studying statistics, what you've written is completely meaningless.
You have no idea how research works then. I'm studying to be an academic and this is not what we do. Academic papers are peer-reviewed and there are heavy penalties for purposely omitting details or fudging results.
You're in for a rude shock with regard to how academia actually works, Paul.
You currently have the naivete of a student being taught everything by the book, that's fine, we all go through that phase; but it doesn't last. I can assure you; as someone who has had a hand in publishing a few dissertations myself; you are going to find that in the real world research questions & hypotheses are framed & re-framed judiciously, and that data & corroborating/supporting evidence is cherry-picked routinely. The difference between success & censure is usually just subtlety.
If you want a classic example of this scenario with ongoing societal ramifications that took literally decades to come to light, look up Ancel Keys.
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Also isolated cases are not evidence.
This is actually wrong. Case reports, expert opinion & other anecdotal evidence might indeed be at the bottom of the evidence hierarchy; with good reason; but it constitutes a level of clinical evidence nonetheless.
Lol, when it comes to scientifically proving things, it is always how you dress up the problem to prove your point. Omit some details here, ignore a few here, make a few assumptions and BAM you have your study done.
a simple diagram to show you how you are so wrong. i hope that in future you recognise the difference between something real like science and something imaginary like your faith that sticking pins in your body has any actual benefit :)
http://spagmonster.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/science-vs-fa…
Lol, Western Medicine sounds like a faith too if you use that diagram.
They get contradicting evidence about their medicine, then they ignore it because it makes them so much money e.g. a cover up, until it gets too bad then they discontinue it or the government bans it.Nothing is perfect, if you actually studied Traditional Medicine, you will understand it isn't just pins and needles. Its because you have been bought up in a environment which promotes popping pills when you get an issue.
It works for some muscle related issues, called dry needling. A lot of fellow physio folks using it. (Requires extra training and/or master degree IIRC)
I personally don't give much credit for Chinese medicine as back in the day it was where unfit students with medical career desires headed and for the very same reason, I do believe in physio.
Source?
I hear that in double blinded trials there is no difference between using normal acupuncture needles and ones that push back into a sheath so that neither the practitioner or the customer knows that the needle has not been inserted.
In that light, maybe these are a better buy?
http://www.staples.com.au/cleaning-washroom-safety/hand-wash…
you won't even need a sharps binLol, did they hire the right people to do the study.
I'd be VERY suspicious if I felt nothing when I had accupuncture.When they insert a needle and hit a meridian, it would give you a very numbing feeling… If it doesn't then you better change your practioner because they are doing it all WRONG.
Sounds like the study they did was of the needles not the actual effectiveness of accupuncture, "lets jab people randomly and see if they feel anything".
You know what double blinding is, right?
So are we talking about the efficacy of accupuncture or the efficacy of needle types?
That double blinded study you are talking about assuming that I found the right one, is a study of needle types.
Actually there is more evidence to support the efficacy of acupuncture than physio or chiro… according to the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews.
The ridiculous way of conducting trials to measure a placebo means that it's difficult to conduct a trial with placebo or 'sham' acupuncture. A sugar pill vs. a drug - very easy to measure placebo. Acupuncture on the other hand, the patient will pretty much always know if they are receiving real acupuncture or not… Head to Head trials make total sense yet aren't accepted as a 'gold' standard trial.
I totally agree with Iplau unforunately there are a dodgy practitioners in all fields. If I had a dollar for every client that walks in and says physio/chiro/massage didn't work… equally there are great practitioners out there.
Also Red Coral needles are way overpriced. 'Dry Needling' needles are BS. They are just acupuncture needles. Much like actual dry needlers.. They do a weekend course. Absolutely no regulation. AHPRA has already recognised an increase in pneumothorax injuries from inexperienced dry needlers. Dangerous IMO.
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