Speeding Camera Fine - No speed camera sign

No ONE on 30/05/2014 - 17:11
Last edited 31/05/2014 - 15:01

Hello,

I recieved 2 seperate speeding fine few days ago on two seperate event same location. I always travelled via the same road, never saw any camera sign, fixed or mobile camera there.

Then I suddenly start receiving this panelty notice (so far 2) and suspect to receive more.

I have been driving very carefully in the past few months always monitoring my speed limit because I am about to give test for full licence and don't want to incur any demerit point.

I never did any speeding nor i received any speeding fine before. I always check my speedometer for my speed limit.

So, in this scenario, what would you advise me.

First of all, is it permitted in NSW to operate a camera without puting sign.

Secondly, what is the likely hood of taking the matter to court.

Please do not use agressive language. I would respect your opinion on safe road, but to me this is completely revenue making machine.

Automotive

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      • cheng2008 on 31/05/2014 - 21:16
        +3

        While I don't believe you deserve to lose your license, I hope you've learnt a lesson to be more careful next time. The speed limit is the law, and it's not something you can just ignore because you haven't been caught or caused any accidents.

      • highdealer on 31/05/2014 - 21:31
        +7

        As an alien, i would like to inform you that we make mistakes too.

        • No ONE on 31/05/2014 - 21:38
          -1

          lol and how did you find the earth, are you going to be inhabitant on earth any time sooner?

        • NancyCat on 01/06/2014 - 10:16

          As he said, aliens make mistakes, maybe too many mistakes, that's why they still haven't conquer earth.

      • ChrisLevo on 01/06/2014 - 18:41
        +2

        You know the law.

        You broke it.

        You lose the privilege of driving.

        What else can we all say?

  • nats on 31/05/2014 - 21:17

    Mate if your under some sort of duress or "using medication" ..simple,do what the packet says .. do not operate heavy machinery or something like that.

  • Less Point on 01/06/2014 - 00:43
    +5

    If you were doing 76 in a 60 zone, then your speedo probably read around 80km/h - they usually show faster than what you are actually doing

    • Less Point on 01/06/2014 - 00:46
      +1

      Actually, I just realised, someone asked you

      How much did you go over?

      and you said 76… 60 + 76 = 136km/h!

      • bunk on 01/06/2014 - 12:50
        +1

        We all know what he meant, unless you don't.

    • hahaboy on 01/06/2014 - 14:51
      +2

      Yeh true. Only recently found out about this. Also, if you get new bigger rimmed tyres for your car, then the speedo discrepancy you mentioned is reduced. This is a result of great circumference of the tyre whilst your axle is still doing thje same revolutions or something.

  • T1OOO on 01/06/2014 - 07:54
    +5

    Op dosnt get it. At all.

    Essentially their a tax on idiots on our roads.

  • rolypoly on 01/06/2014 - 08:32

    Can't answer your two questions but I think that regardless of whether they were allowed to place cameras without signage would not help you in avoiding a fine. You sped twice and you will lose 8 points in total and will lose your licence unless you can get your full licence in time.

    Also want to ask why a person that 'always checks the speedometer' and has had a licence for 5 years and has recently commenced a 'driving very carefully' phase was caught speeding during the very careful months.

    Also I don't think it is a complete revenue making machine or else they would not take the licences off the people that make the most revenue.

    My assumption is that you speed and are trying to weasel out. But alternatively your speedometer might be giving you false readings.

    My opinion on safe road is 'yes'; please respect it.

  • waspernatre on 01/06/2014 - 09:17
    -1

    Hey mate, there is an app in iOS and android that can help you check your speed on the go, it will also alert you of places where there are speed cams. I believe this is it, https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/speed-adviser/id703369177?mt… , Good Luck.

  • ankor on 01/06/2014 - 10:39
    +3

    OP, what proof do you have that you were driving at or below the speed limit in the zone where you were fined?

  • suti on 01/06/2014 - 11:32
    -2

    Seriously… It may be ok for you to speed in other countries and get away with it, but you are in Australia now. Try to abide by some of the customs/laws here?

  • aza on 01/06/2014 - 11:35

    I did not read all the comments, however I wanted to point out two things:

    1)IIRC in some countries/jurisdictions etc, as speed camera can not be placed at the bottom of an inclined road
    2)It is also possible but highly unlikely that the OCR on the camera picked up a similar licenced car (in some countries people especially get a licence plate that can be misleading eg. hoon spelt h00n which will still look like hoon once made)

    Bottom line I think it is a bit tough for the OP.

    Good luck!

    • timmypete on 01/06/2014 - 12:30

      I did not read all the comments, however I wanted to point out two things:

      and

      2)It is also possible but highly unlikely that the OCR on the camera picked up a similar licenced car (in some countries people especially get a licence plate that can be misleading eg. hoon spelt h00n which will still look like hoon once made)

      Seems you didn't read the start of the forum either. OP has admitted he uses the road regularly.

      • aza on 01/06/2014 - 19:48

        I don't recall OP saying that no one else with a similar plate drives on that road!

  • AntMan76 on 01/06/2014 - 12:35
    +4

    Waits for the next excuse by the OP as to why this is anyone's but his own fault …

    • NancyCat on 01/06/2014 - 12:49
      +3

      If there were signs to say there was camera in operation, OP's excuse would be 'there's no mention of infringements on the sign' lol

    • Zarcady on 01/06/2014 - 19:50

      I dont get this type of mentality..wait for what excuse? You are just spewing the same generic phrase that everyone else uses to try and either be funny or get upvotes. It does not in any way, shape or form aid in this discussion; which is hypocritical because neither does my rant.

  • whatthecrappin on 01/06/2014 - 14:25
    +11

    Dont bother with the no sign route…..you'll get no where.

    try this one instead :

    Q. I just received 7 speed camera fines in the mail, including 3 on a single day, with a total of 13 demerit points. What can I do?

    You could write to the Traffic Camera Office and ask for all but one fine to be withdrawn on the basis that if you had received the first fine promptly and before the others, you would not have re-offended.

    http://www.trafficlaw.com.au/speeding.fines.html

    or

    Multiple Infringements
    Victoria Police has guidelines regarding the enforcement of multiple speed camera infringements issued to drivers detected at low speeds within certain freeway/highway zones.
    These guidelines are being adopted to ensure that drivers are being afforded the opportunity to positively alter their driver behaviour, without being penalised by multiple infringements.
    Note: These guidelines do not apply to mobile speed camera detections or fixed speed/red light safety cameras at intersections.

    http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=10369

    • bunk on 01/06/2014 - 15:18

      I like how you are providing OP some useful information.

    • Baysew on 01/06/2014 - 15:20

      Good work !

    • sirplus on 01/06/2014 - 15:54

      From the link relating to http://www.trafficlaw.com.au/speeding.fines.html

      "Q. I just received 7 speed camera fines in the mail, including 3 on a single day, with a total of 13 demerit points. What can I do?

      You could write to the Traffic Camera Office and ask for all but one fine to be withdrawn on the basis that if you had received the first fine promptly and before the others, you would not have re-offended."

      "If your circumstances are not exceptional - or even if they are - you probably should not bother seeking internal review of a traffic infringement notice. If you are serious about challenging the fine, the best option is to object to the infringement notice and try your luck in the court system. So you have a choice - write a letter seeking review or just take the case to court. Do not plan to do both. If you are sure you will never take the matter to court, then there is nothing to lose by writing to the PRB. Good Luck!"

      • timmypete on 01/06/2014 - 18:13

        PRB is a Victorian entity. OP is NSW. I'm not sure if they offer a similar system up north.

    • sirplus on 01/06/2014 - 16:14

      Re the multiple infringements, not likely to have success; speed of one being more than 10 kph over ….

      From
      http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=10369

      "Victoria Police has guidelines regarding the enforcement of multiple speed camera infringements issued to drivers detected at low speeds within certain freeway/highway zones.

      These guidelines are being adopted to ensure that drivers are being afforded the opportunity to positively alter their driver behaviour, without being penalised by multiple infringements.

      Note: These guidelines do not apply to mobile speed camera detections or fixed speed/red light safety cameras at intersections.

      For the purpose of these guidelines, a Low Speed Infringement (LSI) is a speed of less than 10 km/h above the posted speed limit.

      The discretion to be applied to multiple low speed infringements relates to:
      •Those within a given 24-hour period.
      •Those received over a period of several days, prior to the driver becoming aware of the first issued infringement."

      One of these offences was 16 over

      • timmypete on 01/06/2014 - 18:14

        This is Victorian. OP from NSW, but I'm pretty sure the 16km/h offence will cause similar issues there too.

    • No ONE on 01/06/2014 - 18:14
      -2

      Thanks. That's really helpful so far.

  • sirplus on 01/06/2014 - 15:48
    +5

    Keep speeding ;-)
    It keeps my state taxes down when others speed and get caught.
    Do the crime -do the time hehe :-)

    Were the fines fair?
    Try requesting photos (you'll be able to tell/see where the camera was and if there are multiple cars in the shot you can consider a challenge, take legal advice before any challenge) and a test certification for the device/s that pinged you (if the certificate is out of date you can challenge in court).

    Please note, if you go to court you'll pay a much higher cost if/when you lost.

    Be honest and accept responsibility
    If you don't know where the cameras were how do you know you were going downhill?

    Now I assume you were speeding and are sorry, don't want to do it any more/want to reform, so here is some serious advice to help.

    Are you sure about the limit?
    It is so far over it might be a zone you think is 80 but is actually 60?
    A friends wife got 8 fines in 2 weeks for a road she drove daily for years. She swore that never sped etc, etc
    My friend accepted his wife's word blindly but I checked.
    Turned out the limit was changed many years before and there were 12 + correct signs showing the (lower) limit but she still swore that the limit was the old one from 10ish years before. Haven't had a dinner invite recently. Hmm

    Check the accuracy of your speedo vrs multiple gps units, mine is out (only by 2 km & reads low)
    I suggest get an in car gps, my tomtom XXL ($100 @ Dick Smith via Ozbargain) is more accurate than my speedo and also lets me know the speed limit where I am (this part is not totally up to date but still can highlight if I may be going too fast). Also it makes the speed visible to passengers so you be even more more careful.

    Don't speed, this is the single most important piece of advice how not to get speeding fines and will save thousands (a must for OzBargainers)!

    • No ONE on 01/06/2014 - 18:16

      I learned my lesson. Thanks for you sharing your story and taking time to reply to this post.

  • [Deactivated] on 01/06/2014 - 17:17

    "Then I suddenly start receiving this panelty notice (so far 2) and suspect to receive more."

    I can just inagine the banter at the police station -"Quiet day today, lets go catch that guy who always speeds at xyz"

  • [Deactivated] on 01/06/2014 - 20:54

    Can MOD close this topic please. I think we all agree that:

    1. there is no excuse for someone going over the speed limit by 15km/h multiple times
    2. OP, I feel for you.No one like to pay fines but you were in the wrong, so please stop trying to justify your behaviour with childish excuses.Pay the fines and be grateful that no one was hurt by your speeding.
    3. Learn from your mistakes.Drive safely.
  • Moderatorscotty on 01/06/2014 - 21:28

    Indeed there's no point for this thread to continue as most replies are repeats of the same things. I believe OP has already got his answer. Thread closed.

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