Wonder what to do, we had 4 chickens taken by neighbour's dog last night, we live on acres, and our chicken pen was in need of a little tlc, but last night the dogs (possibly two) come over to our house and torn the wood from the hutch and dug until they got into the pen and slaughtered all bar one of our chickens. In past the same dog/s have taken one or two when they were free ranging in our yard, and I have approached the neighbours and they are not interested. I have found dog droppings all over our yard from the night, and have seen the dogs return the evening after to check out the pen again. What do I do? bit sick of it to be honest.
Next door neighbour's dog slaughtered all our chickens last night
hsk on 07/05/2014 - 10:52
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Contact police + RSPCA + local council.
Get your own dog, no one dares to take on my pitbull and rottie ;). Security + companionship.
Slaughter the neighbour's dog and shit on their door step. When they come approach you the next day just tell them you're not interested.
+1 for the shitting on doorstep part.
what about adam sandler style, grab those pieces of poop in your backyard, chuck in paper bag, take to doorstep, burn, ring and leg it.
Well, except for the DNA testing that might happen.
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would be better if this happens:
Slaughter the neighbour's dog and shit on their door step. When they come approach you the next day just tell them it was the chicken that did it .
if they don't believe u tell them to watch chicken runlol leave a couple of chicken feathers and chicken shit around the dead dog…
Wont be long before we see a forum post titled: "Next Door Neighbour Shat on my Doorstep Last Night. What Can I do?"
Do NOT do this.
You're either all talk or in need of help. Decide.
Do NOT do this.
Agreed. Besides, you're able to have a .22 for rabbits and such if you live in a rural area. Far more satisfying to SEE the problem… end.
But You'll be seeing the RSPCA
Are you 100% positive it was their animals?
If you dont have dogs yourself I believe you can get some powered device that lets out a very very high pitched noise that you cant hear but the dogs hate - set one of those up near your chooks.
yes, am thinking when it comes back it might need to feel rather unwell for the next couple of days…. any ideas
It's not their dogs fault, you realise. The dog is doing what a dog will do. That's their natural instinct, you can't blame the dog one bit.
It's the owners fault. Get your revenge on your neighbour if you feel the need - but don't try to take it out on their animal. I really do feel for your situation and hope it never happens to you and your chickens again, but the fault lies entirely with the owners inability to restrain their dog properly. Basically, your neighbour is an ignorant moron. You'd have a better chance by complaining to the council or animal welfare authority as the fact they can't keep their dogs on their own property not only risks YOUR animals, but also potentially puts any humans at risk. Ie. what if you had young children outside in your yard one day and the dogs got in? I'd use that line of reasoning if any authorities don't act on this issue.
Good luck.
It's not their dogs fault, you realise. The dog is doing what a dog will do. That's their natural instinct, you can't blame the dog one bit.
This is one of the most dangerously uninformed comments I've ever read. Would you say that to a parent who's lost their child in a dog attack? We're not talking about wolves here FFS, we're talking about domesticated breeds.
I couldn't tell you how many working dogs we had to put down in the bush because they got a taste for blood. There is no coming back from this, it is a permanent change in the behaviour of the animal. Anyone who has done any real work with animals will tell you the same thing.
So didn't you just contradict your own argument knowing that a dogs behaviour changes once they have blood lust? It's their primal DNA. How can that be their fault when it is the owners who should be in control of what they are exposed to.
We aren't talking about a child-killing dog with a taste for human blood, we're talking about someone's dogs who happened to kill a handful of chickens, which is entirely expected behaviour for cats and dogs, domesticated or not. There are plenty of more humane and reasonable responses than poisoning your neighbour's dogs.
What rubbish. My dog kills rats around our house all the time. It doesn't then go and attack people or children.
"It's not the guns fault, you realise. The gun is doing what a gun will do."
If your in a rural area shoot them if there on your property.
Otherwise trap or poison for them.You cant have wild dogs roaming around. We had a couple of german shepards from a breeder near by kill a dozen sheep.
Council won't do anything unless they catch them in the act, same goes with the police.
The council wouldn't even let us build a dog proof fence around our property.
If they are attacking animals on your property, they could just as easily attack your children etc. A couple of weeks later my grandfather was stuck up a tree when one of the dogs came back.
Only real solution is to remove them from your property permanently.
am thinking when it comes back it might need to feel rather unwell for the next couple of days…. any ideas
Grow up, HSK. The animal is not at fault.
yes, sure it was there dogs, as they are always getting out killed pet sheep in January, lovely animals NOT
council is the one to approach then - there are fines for not containing your dog, might make them more responsible (although if its a problem with an inappropriate fence you will be up for half the fencing bill ;-)
Yes this is also a good idea about the fence. Your neighbour is legally responsible for 50% of the a new fence if the old one has had it
Ring the council and find out what your options are. You are probably going to need proof though. Perhaps setup bait and a camera? Also, small claims court might be an option for the damage/cost of the chooks.
Council are douches. They won't do anything. Better off giving the dogs a good ol de Paso beating with a shovel when you catch them.
This thread is full of moronic suggestions. Here is what a responsible adult would do:
- Gather evidence
- Send a letter of demand for the damages
- Serve them papers for small claims court
Four. When council does zip, buy that .22 rifle. ;-p Except that involving council in the first place will make it obvious where the dogs went.
Council will come and investigate. This happened to the people across the road from me (a huge dog escaped and attacked their very old cat). Cat eventually died, but cost them $1000's in vet bills first. People who had the dog denied they even had the dog (they were dog sitting for friends). The council came to investigate and found evidence in their yard of a dog having been there, but as the people continually denied it, nothing could be done.
Made me so angry whenever I think about it.
Maybe ring the RSPCA to get advice.
Goodluck.
Proof is going to be hard, as I am not planning to get more chickens at the moment, to entice the dogs over for a free meal. Same thing happened in January, got one chicken and I rang the neighbours and told them, they said they would watch their dogs, and keep them chained up, I mentioned that I knew that another neighbour with chickens had bait around their pen for the foxes, and that they should be concerned, as it could possibly kill their dog. Then of course two days later they are over asking me if I put bait out as their dog was not well, and did I know what it may have eaten, I believe it cost them a packet at the vet. Still they are not containing their dog and no their fencing is pretty poor all round their property so there is no telling where the dogs can get out and we do not have an adjoining fence line, so it is not mine to fix
Alternatively, you can find out what sort of dog food your neighbour buys, by looking in their trash. Buy some of that, coat it in chocolate and drop some around your chicken pen. :)
Edit: Deleted comment about BB gun. Possibly BB gun idea is not very legal, according to StewBalls. Wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble with the law.
really does chocolate make them sick?
I haven't tried but according to wikipedia, it is poisonous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine_poisoning
Other non-lethal ways:
It does, but you need a lot of it. It's like alcohol for us. It takes a lot to kill us. I know, I've tried (unintentionally)
and son is keen to use them for target practice with his bb gun, he is 12 so I am not sure this would work as they seem to come past at night and now with winter coming on it is cold and I am sure he would not want to sit outside waiting. :-)
Seriously, DO NOT ENGAGE IN ANY ACTIVITY RELATED TO FIREARMS, there is no grey area with this aspect of the law, the cops will not hesitate to charge you!
In the eyes of the law a BB gun is still a firearm, and worse for you if you're seen to be putting it in the hands of a 12yo!
Unless it's a rural area. You're allowed to have a rifle for pest control purposes. "Wow - look at that HUGE rabbi… bang - ooops!"
Great idea, encourage your son to be a sociopath.
Here's another one: douchebag - picked that one up from your posts.
At any rate, there's significant evidence linking animal cruelty to sociopathic tendencies, particularly in children.
here's a wiki, you might be able to understand it a bit better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macdonald_triad
Didn't notice the spelling and initially thought sociopathy may have resulted from the over consumption of McDonalds :/
Your post was particularly condescending, as is your reply, but no problem!
Correction: A sociopath with good aim.
Seriously though, not that many years ago if this happened you spoke to you neighbour who would either shoot the dog themselves, or understood if it happened again someone would do it for them. I don't know where the OP lives, but in NSW at least, you're within your rights to capture the dogs. Then call the RSPCA and they'll come and get them. Every time this happens there's a fine (if they're chipped). If not, they sit in the pound until they're either claimed or killed. If they want the dogs, then they're going to learn pretty fa$t to re$train them.
yes, you are so right, StewBalls, and his home made off utube bb gun doesn't work (thankfully) and as all good pet owners keep there animals at home, there would be nothing to shoot at if it did work, thanks again
lace some meat with 1080 and keep any carnivorous pets indoors. Wait.
The only thing that will fix the problem is a dog proof fence. I would not restock until I had one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmDf-wTXzc
This looks good for keeping them safe overnight.
what is 1080?
Sodium fluoroacetate, used as a peticide and to control animal populations. The effects are brutal and the animal will suffer significantly before succuming - I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND POISONING THEIR ANIMALS.
1080 embeds one of the strongest scent memories of any product you'll ever encounter, for anyone who does have any dealings with it.
Smells, probably tastes, delicious - which is the idea of course. Appearance, consistency and smell reminiscent of a combo of runny Vegemite and molasses. At least contains the latter, from memory.
Variously banned, unbanned, use-restricted over the years, in different parts of Australia.
Grandfather had a big property we visited as a kid. Eleven dams plus creeks. Couldn't shoot or trap all of the wild pigs - despite the incentive of the German game-meat market at the time. Pigs would root around the edges of the dams and creek banks. Stock would get trapped while trying to get a drink. Even while still alive, crows would sometimes peck out there eyes. Horrific.
1080 on sheep or cattle guts. Choose time and position to minimise risk of native animals eating it first. Still nasty, but little alternative. Did the job.
OP, sorry about the chook massacre. Also nasty.
1080 is the resolution of your DVD player. (Unplug it and beat the dog to death with it.) ;-p
Dude,
1.) Go to the neighbors house tell them about the event again
2.) When they say they're not interested, tell them thats fine, your going to put rat poison around your area, if the dogs die, they well and truly had ventured in the wrong area and you warned them about this
3.) if you find the dogs dead, well they were warnd
Also put your iPhone or mp3 player in your top pocket and record that conversation.
I do not really want to hurt their dogs or kill them, but I am also sick of finding chicken feather all over my yard as we (the kids and I love having chickens as pets) I am going to put bait around near the pen, but need to be careful as if I do replace my chickens then I do not want any left that will do harm to them. Thinking I will put on in a meal, so that the dog eats and it is gone, like a treat of some sort. Do not know how to get rat poison? is it in a powder? or block?
Set up a camera, put dog food or other treat dog will go for into pen (not poisoned). Film dog breaking into pen, enough proof for council?
Please talk to your council on steps you can take to resolve this.
Intentionally poisoning their dogs isn't a solution and will only make this already uncomfortable situation a lot worse.
I have dogs, chickens and acreage. Rule around our street is if your dog is on another persons property and acts aggressively, it gets dealt with. Maybe shot, maybe pound. Either way there is no comeback or bad blood, as dogs are not allowed to run around other peoples properties. We all have kids, livestock etc. and respect each others privacy.
My suggestion is to deal with it quietly and quickly, and say nothing.And fix your fence.
Read my… 2nd last comment above. Capture and hand over = fines until it stops.
Are they your dogs?
you seriously blaming the OP for this?
Agreed, some of these guys are fooling themselves…sure today it's chickens & a goat, what happens when it's a small child???
These dogs need to be gone, and that means dealt with in the most expeditious manner possible, period!
If the authorities & owners won't do the right thing, then unfortunately it's up to the OP to protect himself & his family. IME (although somewhat evil), baiting is the method that offers the most plausible deniability!
The dogs are doing what they are supposed to do - blame the scumbag neighbours for not being responsible pet owners. Dont harm the dogs, there has been quite a few suggestions of solutions to the problem - first stop being the council.. then fencing options. Dont be an asshole to animals.
Yes, I agree the owners are culpable. However, I'll tell you a secret about domesticated dogs, once they get a taste for live blood they cannot be trusted. They need to be culled, end of story.
The problem here is too many bleeding heart, clueless city kids who don't know how these things work in practicality. Those of us who grew up in the bush have grown up with these harsh realities. In a perfect world, yes you'd just put a humane round into their head & end it…but the law now is an ass with regard to these matters, so that's not feasible.
If you have a problem with the law, get into politics and try to change it. Good luck convincing the public that torturing dogs is something to get behind.
As I said before, many reasonable steps have been suggested to alleviate the problem both humanely and legally - stop trolling.
The dogs are doing what they are supposed to do
Like I said, clueless…I can tell you exactly how ineffective those "reasonable steps" will be before the OP even tries them, the neighbour's "not interested" attitude is a dead giveaway.
The dogs need to be put down, end of story.
Trolling, really…do you know that the term actually means???
Whilst I agree it's probably how it should be done, it also brings blame down on you when someone else 'handles' the problem. i.e. You complain, neighbours know who did. Dogs then do it to someone else who caves their heads in with a shovel. Neighbour becomes violent… "You're the only one that has ever complained, so it must've been you - what have you done with my dogs!"
You can really only shoot the dog if it is on your property and in the act of threatening or attacking another animal. You will need to ensure that you dispatch it quickly. Don't attempt to pursue the animal back over the fence.
Frankly that would be less cruel than killing a dog with baits or rat poison, which is nasty stuff and a terrible way to die.
Once a dog makes a habit of killing chickens it is very, very difficult to dissuade them of the notion. We had a Doberman that was a perfectly good dog otherwise but killed one of our chickens and from that point onwards would do nothing else. We had to flick pass him onto someone else.
Other than dog proofing your own fences, pretty expensive I know, there isnt much else that can be done.
How many acres exactly is your property? If other properties are sufficiently far away you are well within your rights to shoot the straying dogs that are threatening or killing your livestock.
When I was younger we had a mongrel guard dog and 4 chickens. We went out during the day and came back at 11pm. She wandered into the garage whimpering and urinating everywhere and you could see her eyes were frightened. We found out she dug her way out of her pen, slaughtered the chickens and hid them around the farm. Somehow it felt like it was simply instinct for her to go after those chooks.
We ate chicken for the next 2 weeks :)
I am sure my chickens were not killed in a humane way, so not so worried about the dog having a terrible death, I have asked for these dogs to be kept at home and they have not bothered, only a couple of months ago, I was woken to their dogs running around and around our rabbit cage 5:30am, terrifying it, and when I rang them at 6:15am and said your dog is here, they never replied, I left messages and they did not bother to reply to them home phone and mobile numbers. As one dog ran home and left behind a puppy which is deaf, I did not want to call the pound, so I instead I kept it tied to our trailer all day waiting for them to return my call, they did not return any of my calls and when I did speak to them at 4pm and took the puppy back they said oh and we will be careful to shut the gate next time. So over these neighbours.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Poisoning your neighbour's dogs is brutal and doesn't resolve the issues you have, and in fact is very likely to escalate them (and is most likely illegal and going to land you in trouble). It's also inhumane and immoral.
Three lefts do…
Not sure why people are downvoting this comment. Since when was 'poisoning dogs' a good idea? It's cruel and petty. Take it up with the neighbours, if they're unresponsive, then take it up with the police and your local council.
Cruel, petty and effective. Don't forget effective. ;-p
We are on 5 acres and so are most of our neighbours, and really we do not own a gun, and we would have to sit up all night to catch the dog, and now we have no chickens there is no reason for it to come back I guess, although it did the night after just to check it got them all I guess
electric fence around chicken pen? although if you're really angry probably getting a gun and shooting the dog is the way to go. then take the dead dog to the neighbours and tell them what you did.
owner felt threaten and self defence due to the dog threspassing?
phobia towards dog
Doesnt seem right to take your vengeance out on the dogs all because they have a sh1t for brains owner.
The "right" thing to do is to trap the animals and turn them in to the council / RSPCA. This is humane and you are entirely within the law trapping pest animals on your property.
A friend of mine had this problem with neighbour's cats bothering his bird avery, I think the RSPCA loaned him the trap and the neighbours either soon got sick of paying the fine to retrieve the cats or didn't retrieve them at all.
Ask the council / RSPCA about the loan of a trap. Otherwise, depending on the size of the dog, humane traps on eBay from $40 delivered.
Not a bad option. Creative thinking.
Sounds like a good idea to me. Go with this one I think.
My mother had chooks for a short while when I was ten. I have to admit I hated them. She used to leave the laundry door open and they would come in and crap everywhere. Anyway one day this nasty little brute visited and killed most of them in an amazingly quick and efficient way.
The dead ones didn't bother me- good riddance I secretly thought. The half dead ones, 3 of them, freaked me out. It was just me and my 8 year old brother and the only way I could think to put them out of their misery was to put their neck on a block of wood and chop their heads off. But it didn't work. I couldn't get the neck firm against the wood and the axe kind of bounced off aarrrrgh!
I was really freaking out then. I raced over to a neighbour and she must have been an old farm girl or something. Cool as you like, she snapped their necks after we caught them and handed them to her- snap snap snap done. Cervical dislocation.
cute story
and that was how Amy grew up to be a serial killer.
She broke their… vaginas!? Wow.
Coat your chickens in hot chilly powder or something spicy, surely that'll put the dog off right? Unless they like hot chicks.
Last night I saw chicken in my dreams killed and eventually it came true to one of our fellow OzBargainer. Farwell to your chicken.
This is ridiculous. OP please, please don't hurt their dogs.
I'd much rather you hurt the neighbours/owners themselves.
As I stated in my previous post earlier on…. it's NOT their dog's fault. An animal will do what an animal does. It does not know right from wrong. Humans do (or should).
Please don't take it out on the dogs.
I'd much rather you hurt the neighbours/owners themselves.
Wow, just freakin' wow…let me guess, you're a dog nutter???
OzB really has become the short bus of the internet.
I'm a dog nutter? Actually, no, smartarse. Nice assumption there though. I actually really dislike dogs, personally.
I completely (profanity) disagree with poisoning or slaughtering the dogs inhumanely. But hey, good on you and everyone else here for encouraging the OP in taking their own measures in getting rid of the dog instead of contacting the council to stop the problems at the root. So you kill these dogs, the neighbours will just get more dogs (presumably without proper fencing again), the dogs wander over to the OPs house again and potentially attack the chickens again… getting what you like to refer to as the taste of blood.
Rinse and repeat.
Just to recap, your words:
I'd much rather you hurt the neighbours/owners themselves.
Ok, so if you don't like dogs, you just approve of assaulting people, right???
Like I said elsewhere, you've admitted that you grew up in Cabra, so you have NFI about how things work in the bush, you're just another clueless bleeding heart urbanite who thinks they know everything!
Go live in the bush for a few years and learn about pragmatism & the harsh reality of life before you comment on stuff you know nothing about…
you've admitted that you grew up in Cabra
When the hell did I say that? I grew up in Sydney, yes, but not Cabramatta.
and apologies for how you're too thick to grasp that my comment about hurting the owners was exaggeration. If you seriously think I'd suggest the OP poisons or attacks people instead, then it's unfortunate that you go around taking everything literally. Most people would have picked up on the sarcasm and frustration in my comment.
Maybe not a bush pig, though ;)
"I'd much rather you hurt the neighbours/owners themselves."
This is a pretty sad statement right there.
Now, that's trolling!!!
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Contact the Local Laws Department of your Council and see what controls they can exercise in this situation. Otherwise I would be contacting the police.