Fellow bargain shoppers,
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Saw this bargain and thought for those that are tossing up whether to spend $65-100 on some Ethernet Over Power (EOP) adapters here is a good pair to start. Shipping is $12.61 (for me anyway). I believe these are not the latest model from Netgear but should work just fine for the money.
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not wireless or n nor extender
Has anyone had any joy with these things? I have several (various brands) laying around and despite following the best practice advice for placement (i.e. don't plug it into one of those multi socket powerboards) seldom managed performance better than 8Mbps.
I've got a netgear one that has always done a decent job. Never checked the speed but it performs well.
Check whirlpool, mixed comments. It depends on your power cables, if they are on the same circuit, the age / quality of cable, etc
I get around 190Mbps from a 200Mbps model (tp-link), happy with the performance.
That's pretty good! Do you have a new/ish house/apartment? Is the model you are using 'PA211'?
Also, is the throughput you stated getting when running on a powerboard or not? Distance between adaptors (next room, up/downstairs etc.)?
For $37 can't hurt to give it a try, if it doesn't work just flog it off on ebay
Has anyone had any joy with these things?
I've had nothing but joy with my Netcomm NP-504s. It was a matter of plugging them in and pushing the little "connect" buttons on each adapter. That's about it.
My house is about 6 years old and the power points in question at opposite ends of the house (on the same breaker).
The Netcomm EOP Adapter Utility says I'm transmitting at around 210-230Mbp/s and receiving at around 200-240Mbp/s.
I game over EOP, stream over EOP (15GB .mkv's from my NAS), file transfers, the lot; and it is, as near as makes no difference to me, like having a professionally wired CAT6 cable spanning the distance between those two adapters.
seldom managed performance better than 8Mbps.
Allow to me channel a typical Indian help desk service rep for a second and say "Sir, is your internet connection (downstream sync speed) actually faster than 8Mpb/s?"
Even 200Mbp/s Powerline Adapters (recent models) can handle downstream speeds of 85Mbp/s, which is faster than 95% of Australian household connections.
My guess is you live in an old dwelling with degraded internal wiring or that is actually all your modem can manage.
Newer EOP adapters can even work across different breakers/circuits and are inter-compatible between different brands and standards (e.g. you can mix 500Mpb/s and 200Mpb/s adapters, though they will obviously sync at the slower speed of 200Mbp/s).
I also hAve the NP 504's. can i mix with these Netgear XAVB2001??
No idea mate but this review may help; they tested the Netgear XAVB2001 in conjunction with a few other brands of powerline adapters and it synced with them just fine.
Will this thing help me get internet in my other room (via my router)? I need to connect my Foxtel IQ2 box up to the internet, so I can download shows on lookback etc…
yes - 1 device on each end. They need to be plugged directly into a pointpoint and can't run through a powerboard or double adapter
They do work on powerboards, mine does at least.
Thanks
Mine isn't this model so be wary :P
Just went and bought one for the Foxtel box in the bedroom. It works really well.
I suggest you call Foxtel as a subscriber and tell them that you want to connect the IQ box to internet but your modem is too far away, and ask for a solution. They have a solution. They offered a "wireless device" that would enable the IQ box to connect to our modem, free of charge. They never explained what this device was, but we did not question it as it was offered free.
What actually turned up was a kit containing a pair of Netcomm NP204, exactly this style of ethernet-over-power device, 200MHz standard, for free.
In your case, it will be worth a try. In our case it was useless, because we had already wired the house with EOP based on the Netcomm NP504, 500MHz standard. My understanding from a lot of reading is that the 200MHz devices and talk to each other and coexist with 500MHz devices talking to each other, but that you effectively get two separate networks that don't talk to each other.
I had a further conversation with the robo-customer service at Foxtel about the misnomer of calling EOP "wireless"; they insisted that the devices are wireless and wouldn't hear anything different.
The other issue for us was that the 4-port router outlets are all taken anyway, and there would be nowhere to plug in yet another device - Foxtel did not ask whether we had a multi-port router, they just sent this as a "solution" to the problem.
For those who already have a wifi network, a better solution would be to buy a cheap wireless router deal like some of the $10 - $20 bargains that have been around recently and set up that wireless router in bridge mode to connect to your existing wifi network and locate the router near the IQ box. We find that most TVs want to connect to internet as well as the Foxtel IQ box, and so you need two ethernet sockets near your TV.
Many TVs like our recent model 60-inch Panasonic can also connect via wifi, but the Panasonic software is appallingly lacking. In order to input the wifi password, the Panasonic dunderheads expect you to key it in on the remote by scrolling up/down and selecting characters, all 63 special characters of the password.
Even though the TV accepts a USB key or drive, there is no way to put a file containing the wifi password on a USB device and copy and paste it into the TV. Therefore the wifi capability of a top model Panasonic is 100% useless, a total fail. Any wifi password that can be entered by scrolling up/down on a remote control is not worth having and I refuse to have our wifi security conditioned by the appalling standards of Panasonic factory fools. Naturally I submitted feedback on the ever-serious Panasonic web site and was promised an answer in 24 hours; 6 months later I'm still waiting.
In general, we find that, as long as you are getting a green signal light on the Netcomm NP504 500MHz units, the communication is rock-solid and they never need resetting. However, a longer run of power cable underground a short distance out to the garage seems to attenuate the signal enough to get an orange or red light most of the time. An NP504 there can sustain a connection good enough for internet access, but occasionally needs to be reset. If you are getting an orange light, it is worth making minor changes like trying different sockets in the room. Two sockets on different outlets 10cm apart give different signal strengths.
EOP seems to be a lottery. You need to either borrow a pair of devices to test, or buy an inexpensive pair and test the extremities of your property yourself.
If have found that 500 MHz Edimax devices interoperate satisfactorily with the Netcomm NP504 ones, but there is some fiddling to do.
I would not, as one poster suggested, just "press the button" and let them connect automatically. Testing in some places where properties are close together (e.g. UK) has shown that neighbours may be able to see your network if you use the default settings; you are relying on distance and electricity meters to attenuate the signal, which is not good enough.
As usual, the manufacturer's interest is to make it look easy. It is in your interest to have good security, and good security is never trival, requiring that you make an effort. You choose.
Security on these EOP devices is poorly documented but, as far as I can gather, the name you give your network acts similarly to a wifi password, and you should give your network a random unguessable name in the same way you would allocate a wifi password so no other devices can see you, even if they can get a signal. This means using the manufacturer's configuration software and making changes. This software is fiddly, and different from each manufacturer. Some manuf's setup utilities seem to be able to see other manufs' devices, and some not.
The maximum network name length also varies. If you use a long network name (better for security) it may work with some devices but not others. I have found this poorly documented. To my knowledge, maximum network names as are follows:
Netcomm NP504 64 characters
Edimax 500MHz 24 characters
TP-Link TA411 23 characters
ZyXel 64 characters
I'd therefore suggest configuring a random network name 23 characters long for best, interoperable, security.
None of their documentation tells you this.
Sigh …
To answer other questions
- adding multiple EOP units around the house does not obviously affect either signal or performance
- connecting them via surge-protected powerboards seriously attenuates the signal, but ordinary powerboards cause less of a problem; you have to avoid surge protectors, meaning that your EOP devices could fry …
Anyone have any idea how EoP works with more than a pair of units?
ie. 3 or 4 units?
I already have a set of Belkin 500MB ones (from https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/84857), but what if i want to add another room to the mix?
Do i need to get another set of the exact same units, or can i mix & match other 500MB ones? Or does what i want to do, not work at all?
but what if i want to add another room to the mix?
Simply add another adaptor. You would need to 'resync' them to [re]establish a new network I think.
Do i need to get another set of the exact same units, or can i mix & match other 500MB ones?
You can mix & match 200/500Mb + brands, but for sake of compatibility best to stick to same brand & model as they may not play nice & would cause more problems than fix. Also if you mix 200Mb + 500Mb units together in the same network the 500Mb units will revert to speeds of 200Mb.
I'm really surprised at the lack of EOP products in stores. Seems marketers are doing better selling the awful wifi extenders to consumers. This is the 2nd best option compared to a straight ethernet cable connection.
Tips: After plugging in the "master" unit make sure you try different power points for the "slave" unit as not all will provide a link to the "master". Yes, they can work in a powerboard, but should be better straight into the power point.
Thinking about EOP in my new house due to its size and wiring constraints but was wondering if it's possible to plug this into a router / network switch at the other end to hook up more than just the one device?
Definitely possible. Some models come with the switch instead of the plug (ie Netgear XAV).
Bought this today and just hooked it up. I have one room in the house which has really bad wifi connection even on my new Billion 7800DXL… the EoP worked out of the box perfectly and just did a download test showing line speed of 10mbps (my modem line speed is 17mbps) which I'm more than happy with!!
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