Diagnose my car problem!

[Deactivated] on 11/02/2014 - 14:08
Last edited 11/02/2014 - 14:31

Help me diagnose my car problem, any potential major repairs costs could be a write-off for the old girl :(

1992 Holden Barina - FWD 5spd Manual 1.3L Carby - 330,000kms

Loud rotational/grinding noise coming from the rear axle whilst driving.
Noises increases as the vehicles speed does.
Noise continues when the vehicle is out of gear and still moving.
Noise does not change in volume when the load is shifted from one side of the car to the other(hard left or right). Potentially ruling our a single wheel bearing!?
4 new tyres, oil change and filters month ago.

Any ideas?

Automotive

Comments

  • rickxs on 11/02/2014 - 14:20
    +1

    Noise continues when the vehicle in in neutral. & not moving ???? it defies logic

    • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2014 - 14:31

      Noise continues when the vehicle is out of gear and still moving…. :)

    • Chris Topher on 11/02/2014 - 19:44

      Not reading fully before replying does too. :D

      All Barinas are Suzuki Swifts. Barina is Italian for Cardboard Faecal Container.

      • iseenya on 11/02/2014 - 20:44

        Only the first generation Barinas were Suzukis. Second generation Barinas were Opels and third generation Barinas were/are Daewoos.

      • rickxs on 12/02/2014 - 08:26

        ~~Not reading fully before replying does too. :D

        All Barinas are Suzuki Swifts. Barina is Italian for Cardboard Faecal Container.~~

        OP changed it to "moving", look at the post times +11mins , originally it was 'the noise continues in neutral'

      • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2014 - 08:33

        It is basically a Suzuki Swift, I know alot of the parts are interchangeable.

        picture of similar for those who care

  • Mimbula on 11/02/2014 - 14:22
    +1

    My hubby had a similar sound occur a few weeks ago on his VW Passat on a very hot day. We both had a look and reckon it was the brakes.

  • mini2 on 11/02/2014 - 14:35

    Sounds like wheel bearings hiding inside those drum brake of yours. Or the drum brake itself but thought those should've been self adjusting ones?

    • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2014 - 08:35

      Definitely has drum brakes on the rear, not sure if they are self adjusting or not? Is there an easy way to check?

  • morpheu on 11/02/2014 - 14:36

    not trying to sound smart but diagnosing a car problem over the net is kind of like trying to draw a picture using only words!

    330k is a damn lot of kms for a 1.3l car, but if i were the owner i would first check Holden forums and give the same details, it may be an issue particular to this make/model

    • mini2 on 11/02/2014 - 14:55

      That year's Barina is actually a Suzuki Swift…

      • morpheu on 11/02/2014 - 14:59
        +2

        excellent! that means double the chances of finding the answer on two forums

    • endotherm on 11/02/2014 - 19:06
      +16

      diagnosing a car problem over the net is kind of like trying to draw a picture using only words!

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      • morpheu on 12/02/2014 - 20:31

        ok ok! i gave you a + for effort! and yes i somehow knew someone was going to mention ASCII art in reference to my post above, but in my defence i chose my words carefully, notice i said using only words! and not something like using only letters or using only (ASCII) characters!

  • ESEMCE on 11/02/2014 - 15:38
    +2

    "Noises increases as the vehicles speed does."

    I don't profess to be a car expert, but from the above, logic tells me that bearings are the problem…

  • ilostnemo on 11/02/2014 - 15:40

    Who did the tyres and oil change?

    I would also lean towards brakes.

    • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2014 - 08:36

      tyre shop replaced the tyres, I did the oil change (hardly rocket science on an old car like this).

  • npc on 11/02/2014 - 16:16
    +1

    Jack up you car and rotate wheels manually. If it's a bearing or brakes or whatever in wheels - you will hear or even feel it.
    Common sense will tell to use neutral and parking brake when checking front wheels and put your car in the gear and release parking brake when checking rear:)

    Broken bearing or brakes are quite dangerous. First can cause one wheel stopping suddenly, second - opposite.

    Reality is that 330k is more then enough for this and almost any car.

  • StopThatBus on 11/02/2014 - 16:54
    +3

    I'm no professional either.. But Being a FWD car I can't imagine it being a big problem. It's not gearbox engine Drive issue if it's coming from the rear. So that really limits the problems and only really leaves. Wheel bearings or something brake related or something rubbing It could also be the Disk pads rear on the run low indicators(a bit of metal that they put on the brake pads to make a noise when the pads run low).
    I believe they would be independent axles so two bearings it's probably won't make mush of a different noise under load unless you can go round the corner on only one of the rear wheels at a time. If you know something about cars you could jack one side of the rear at a time of the car chock the front wheels with blocks remove hand brake so it doesn't roll and try to spin the wheel by hand you might find it makes a little noise is or a little harder to turn. Only do it if you feel comfortable doing so. I would That's how I learnt about cars. Shouldn't be much to get someone to check it out. GoodLuck'

  • iseenya on 11/02/2014 - 17:41
    -1

    A tinny little car that age wouldn't even rate 1 star on today's assessment program. If you place any value on your/your family's lives, dump it and buy something more up-to-date, that offers a better chance of protection in the event of an accident.

    • Daabido on 11/02/2014 - 18:21

      He's going overseas in March. Probably not looking for a new car at this stage.

      • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2014 - 08:29
        +1

        Only used for small trips to work, definitely not a family car. Cannot justify financially replacing with anything at this stage.

  • GiggidyGoo on 11/02/2014 - 18:13
    +3

    Remove the traffic cone thats caught under your axle.

    • Daabido on 11/02/2014 - 18:19
      +2

      Lol. I read that cone as "gnome". Quick, remove the gnome!

  • altomic on 11/02/2014 - 18:51
    +5

    have you turned it off and on again?

    • Cluster on 13/02/2014 - 15:20

      Try pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del and see what happens. It's worth a try.

  • onlyletters on 12/02/2014 - 08:02

    It sounds like a wheel bearing, or the brake dust protector is rubbing against the back of the disk. Wheel bearings are something like $40, its the install that really hurts.

    • cat06969 on 12/02/2014 - 09:37
      -1

      If it's just a simple repair, take it to your local wreckers. They have guys there who will do the mechanical repair for half the cost your mechanic will. Or rip it out yourself.

      • NosDan on 12/02/2014 - 10:25
        +1

        They have guys there who will do the mechanical repair for half the cost your mechanic will

        that is because they are used to ripping cars to bits all day with little to no care. ive worked with a lot of importers and wreckers and theres no way id take a car to a wrecker to get mechanical work to do unless it was the last option…..

  • NosDan on 12/02/2014 - 10:27

    as said above, jack the back up and turn a wheel manually and listen/feel for anything. could be as simple as a stone caught in the wrong place or as said sounds like either bearing or brakes. thats about the only things that rotate in the rear of a fwd

  • Dr Techno on 12/02/2014 - 11:47
    +1

    +1 wheel bearing. Jack up rear of car and check for wobble and rotate the wheels listen for grinding sound.. might be just one bearing or both on each side

    Bearing check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1zGxnF8Qk

    Could also be brakes.

    Should check our Eric the car guy on youtube if you want to learn.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvPDApf0T54

  • Hahuh on 12/02/2014 - 13:32

    "Help me diagnose my car problem"

    Holden Barina

    • kwaker on 12/02/2014 - 15:13

      Whoever negged you obviously never had a barina. They are not long lasting cars.

      • Hahuh on 12/02/2014 - 18:01

        Thank you. It wasn't out of malice or any ill will. They truly are horrible cars in terms of reliability. There are ads rife with these cars on carsales, all near new, low kms.

        It's pretty much unanimous; they are bad cars http://www.productreview.com.au/p/holden-barina-classic-2006…

        • NosDan on 12/02/2014 - 18:11
          -1

          It's pretty much unanimous; they are bad cars http://www.productreview.com.au/p/holden-barina-classic-2006…

          peoples stupidity/lack of ability to read amazes me sometimes….

          the 92 barinas were suzuki swifts. very good car for its time and still worth keeping even now. the one you linked to is an opal…. which is a completely different car company and yes, a POS……

          learn the difference before giving advice….. damn keyboard mechanics

        • Hahuh on 12/02/2014 - 23:12

          We know all that. You want us to look for reviews on a 21 y/o car?

          I also do not appreciate you calling me stupid. I also never claimed I was a mechanic; no matter how much sarcasm you meant by that statement.

          Nosdan, judging by your previous posts, you appear to be a little too comfortable with people whom you do not know. You come off as a strong personality and as such, a little off putting. Please learn a little courtesy and respect your fellow Ozbargainer.

          Btw: It's people with a capital P

        • DickTaylor on 05/06/2014 - 19:13

          The Barina was manufactured by Opel (not opal) from 1994-2005. The post-2006 Barinas are based on a Daewoo design. So, in conclusion, you're wrong too. And the European Opel Barinas are actually pretty good in terms of reliability.

  • kwaker on 12/02/2014 - 15:17

    Why don't you get a mechanic to look at it? If something is wrong with mine its always diagnosed free or cheaply at the mechanic.

    You don't have to get it repaired on the spot if you don't want too.

    • Hahuh on 12/02/2014 - 18:04
      -1

      Its such an old car. It will be better if he cut his loses and bought a new one.

      • Geewhizz on 06/06/2014 - 05:59

        Not necessarily. My mother has one around that age and never has a scrap of trouble with it. If it ends up costing very little to fix this problem, why fork out thousands to replace it?

  • enforcer on 12/02/2014 - 19:50

    Does it happen in reverse? Might be a bit of an under-car guard scraping on the axle, happened to me after I went through some water, but only when I was moving forward. Just bent it back and it was good.

  • StopThatBus on 12/02/2014 - 20:26
    +4

    I don't get the just buy a new car idea. Economically it seems silly to me.
    It sound like a small issue with his car maybe 200-300$.
    Buy a new car you'll looses 3-4K just driving it of the showroom.
    I do have a preference for driving older cars and they are easier to work on.
    We don't need safer cars we need less stupid drivers..

    • Dr Techno on 13/02/2014 - 00:13
      +4

      I think the 330,000km's already driven is an achievement for that kind of car, must have been taken care off during its life.

      Might be good to look around for a low km cheap $5000 car, depends what other things are about to go

      Or Ozbargain way ? Buy exact same car model thats done lots lower km's somewhere between $1000 - $2000 keep the old one for spare parts, learn how to do repairs :)

    • iseenya on 13/02/2014 - 10:44
      +1

      Until somebody works out how to get less stupid drivers, we definitely DO need safer cars to protect us.

      • StopThatBus on 15/02/2014 - 10:01

        BUMPER CARS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!
        AWESOME..

  • Gravy on 13/02/2014 - 10:52
    +1

    After driving the car for a little while, stop the car get out and feel the back rims on either side of the car, and the drum brake itself, if one side is substantially hotter than the other then you will at least know what side is the culprit if its a bad bearing or brake issue.

    Brake shoes also generally have an audible warning device inbuilt into them so you can tell when they are getting low and need replacing, I think this is usually some metal pins at a certain depth that will rub metal to metal and cause them to screech.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/02/2014 - 22:09
    +2

    To put you all out of your misery….

    It was the rear left, inner wheel bearing. I replaced both on the weekend, wasn't that hard and learnt something new.

    Summary of the replacement costs:
    Wheel Bearing $22
    Bearing Grease $9
    Youtube $Free - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+replace+w…

    Thanks everyone for your input :)

    • baybeans on 25/02/2014 - 10:03

      well done. feels good huh?
      If your name was Kylie, Samantha or Tiffany and you walked into Ultra tune, you would have been hit with $320 per side.

    • JetBombat on 07/03/2014 - 21:17
      +1

      The come back post is what makes this topic awesome. Thank you Richard, you are a legend.

  • StopThatBus on 19/02/2014 - 22:43

    Awesome Good Job..
    Older cars are so much easier to work on..

    1X 1948 Massy Furgson Te20.
    1X 1965 MG GT.
    1X !971 Hg Holden Ute.
    1X 1989 Honda Crx.
    1X 2001 Subaru Outback.
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