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  povertytrap on 14/01/2014 - 01:12

  +1

  Great post, TA, thanks.

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  twinkle on 14/01/2014 - 01:19

  Thanks OP

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  Rutger on 14/01/2014 - 02:39

  +5

  It's a biocide and mostly pointless products like this for all the guilty mums out there directly contribute to the decreasing efficacy of antibiotics.

  Hang the washing out on a clothesline in the sun or if that's not an option use a dryer until it's dry and simply don't reuse the item for a few days.

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    WT on 14/01/2014 - 02:41

    +6

    sweet, going commando for a few days!

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      [Deactivated] on 14/01/2014 - 06:24

      +4

      Watch the zipper. It can be painful.

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    [Deactivated] on 14/01/2014 - 02:42

    +2

    Thanks

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    endotherm on 14/01/2014 - 02:54

    Calling it pointless is a bit of an overstatement. For mums using it just as a matter of fact, or just in case, you have a point. But for people with persistent bacterial or fungal infections it is very necessary to prevent cross infections with other laundry.

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      FirstNameLastName on 14/01/2014 - 04:29

      +1

      I agree with the 'hygiene hypothesis'.. and I think we need to take it back a notch before our immune systems forget what they were supposed to be doing and decide to take a holiday.

      But this stuff can be pretty good if you already have a screwed immune system, and for ridding bedding of dustmites (by memory).

      I won't knock it, but I prefer to use eucalyptus/tea tree/warm water/sun.

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      danyool on 14/01/2014 - 11:36

      +1

      I'm covering my ears like a kid..la la la..

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      Rutger on 14/01/2014 - 16:38

      +1

      Before this product came along everyone in the family did not catch thrush or athlete's foot from the washing. If it's just about the best protection against any possible cross infection my methods crap all over this. UV, heat and no food source for a few days.

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    brentsbits on 14/01/2014 - 05:47

    +1

    The main reason antibiotics ate losing efficacy is over prescription of them to treat conditions that are better treated in other ways. This hygiene rinse is aimed at fungal infections, such as athletes foot, which or immune system doesn't really pay any rule in fighting.

    If you are taking about anti bacterial hand washes etc then I couldn't agree more but in this specific case I don't think your points apply.

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      Rutger on 14/01/2014 - 16:39

      +1

      No this is both and this particular active ingredient has been linked in a lab with reduced efficacy of a major antibiotic.

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    RockyRaccoon on 14/01/2014 - 08:59

    It's a biocide and mostly pointless products like this for all the guilty mums out there directly contribute to the decreasing efficacy of antibiotics.

    An interesting point, but doing some quick googling on this point it doesnt seem to be backed up.

    Eg according to Europa (European Union Website)

    Humans have long used products with biocidal properties to effectively keep harmful micro-organisms at bay. Today, bacteria are becoming increasingly resistant to antibiotics and there is scientific evidence that the use and misuse of biocides such as disinfectants, antiseptics, or preservatives can contribute to antibiotic resistance. To date, the lack of precise data, in particular on quantities of biocides used, makes it impossible to determine which biocides create the highest risk of generating antibiotic resistance.

    So much for the "mums" guilt. You are assuming that they will misuse the product. And that this specific product's misuse will lead to resistance.

    All that said, a one time use by many here who will just grab a freebie is probably pointless as you would need to have multiple washes over a period of time, that a sample wont give.

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      Rutger on 14/01/2014 - 17:09

      +1

      Yes it does, even though it's the EU. It says it happens and that there's no data on the quantities of biocide used to determine which creates the highest risk.

      It is misuse, there's other more effective ways, and it's use does lead to resistant bacteria developing.

      Also it's not a singular use it's a million uses and that it's not 99.999% effective is the problem as those that survive are the ones that can form resistance.

      There's a push starting to ban such products completely and we should all be hoping that's what happens as we're already having to use the most powerful antibiotics to treat infections which were easily taken care of with the most simple ones a decade or two ago.

      It's not a fantasy it's very real and is very much a danger to us all.

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        FirstNameLastName on 14/01/2014 - 18:09

        It isn't a danger to us -all-, the 99.9% antibacterial craze is probably only a real danger to 99.999 percent of us. We too, are gene replicators, and with each replication there are slight deviations, some of us will be immune to these future superbugs.. and those that don't perish will become super-restistant-mutant-humans!

        yay!

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        endotherm on 14/01/2014 - 19:12

        -1

        Clearly you have a strong opinion and don't like the product. It is a legitimate product that serves a function if not abused. It doesn't deserve a neg and probably doesn't conform to the guidelines https://www.ozbargain.com.au/wiki/help:voting_guidelines.

        Wanting to ban products like these achieves what? Would you ban antibiotics in general because some doctors over-prescribe them and some people abuse them? Of course not, sometimes it is necessary to resort to antibiotics to treat infections because it does not respond to other treatments.

        Infections like jock-itch can be spread as easily as sliding an athletes-foot infected leg into tracksuit pants once. While these infections usually go away by themselves, they usually attract some sort of treatment. When home remedies and over-the-counter products fail, you go to the GP to be prescribed antibiotics to fight the infection. Sometimes these infections can be particularly persistent, not necessarily due to some super-bug mutation or due to antibiotic abuse, they are just stubborn! So when it is necessary to fight the infection on the person with an antibiotic, that's fine. Similarly, when it becomes necessary to disinfect clothing and the environment with a similar product to prevent re-infection we can't, because it's been banned! Not very smart thinking.

        If you have a persistent infection, your clothing may need to be treated. There are various reasons you may not hang your clothes outside in the sun and exposed to UV, or use a dryer. Clothes dryers can shrink laundry, sun can fade fabrics, some external clothes lines are exposed to particularly dusty and dirty environments, e.g. a building site next door or if you live on an unsealed road. You might live in a hi-rise apartment with a balcony at best, and it isn't allowed or is ill-advised to hang laundry outside. You could live in a cold/wet climate, or in general it is just winter! Some people hang the laundry inside the house to air-dry. A lot of people wash in cold water, and despite additives in the detergent it doesn't kill bacteria as well as hot water.

        I'd prefer to have this sort of product around for times when you need to treat a persistent infection. It is not something I would use routinely in the rinse cycle like a fabric softener though.

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        Rutger on 14/01/2014 - 23:14

        It's mere existence is an abuse hence why actual researchers and medical professionals want them banned. I did check the guidelines and I put this under defective/dangerous product.

        It's a cumulative effect so the less products out there giving bacteria a chance to learn new tricks the fewer tricks they learn.

        Bacteria isn't stubborn the treatment is either inappropriate, ineffective or there's hygiene issues. Guess why antibiotics that used to work no longer do?

        If your clothing needs to be treated then as I said simply depriving it of a food source for long enough is sufficient if sunlight isn't appropriate. No food, no life. It's not being smart trying to nuke them using chemical when there's zero need for that and it's detrimental to the herd health.

        I don't think you quite grasped what I was saying about having to use the most powerful antibiotics and nor do I think you grasp how lethal bacteria can be and probably because we've always been able to take antibiotics and they work. We really are starting to use the last weapons in our arsenal and once it's useless that's it and more people will start to die more often from infections that wouldn't have been lethal twenty years ago.

        Go chat with a doctor or nurse and see what they have to say on the subject as I think you'll be surprised (that I'm not full of shit and overreacting). It really is a major issue that's not being taken seriously because of people like yourself who don't appreciate the situation.

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        endotherm on 15/01/2014 - 00:23

        How on earth do you take that I don't appreciate the situation? All along I have been stating it is not a first-response product. I am saying there is a place for powerful antibiotics to be used sparingly if standard products are ineffectual. When you've tried vinegar and baking soda, moved on to tea tree oil or bleach, been to the chemist for an over-the-counter topical cream etc, and they don't work, you move on to a GP who will cautiously prescribe antibiotics (in my opinion the better GP's prescribe them sparingly). Even then it may not respond to treatment. I have seen a condition clear up, only to resurface with re-contact with the infected surface. Re-washing clothing isn't always 100% effective, I wish I had a gamma-irradiating machine in the laundry to make sure, but I don't.

        I don't disagree with your stance on misuse/overuse of antibiotics, but I am saying there is a place for them if used appropriately. I think banning them completely is taking it too far. I don't think Canesten Hygiene Laundry Rinse is the last word in antibiotics and the most powerful weapon in our arsenal either. Perhaps it should be a pharmacy-only product and dispensed with caution?

        I disagree with the contemporary trend of keeping kids protected from the world and wrapping them in cotton wool. Let them play in shit and eat dirt like we used to. Let their immune systems develop. But I don't think there is anything wrong with having a clean kitchen or washing the floors. Wanting to ban all products like disinfectants, antiseptics, and preservatives for being responsible for antibiotic resistance is an overreaction in my opinion.

        I am a fan of prophylactic antibacterial hand sanitizer use for everyone entering a hospital for example. I suffered a persistent post-operative staph infection from a major hospital and know first-hand how hard they can be to treat and the consequences of using the most powerful antibiotics available to treat them.

        I don't know how you concluded I don't grasp the lethality of bacteria or appreciate the situation. I don't think you are full of shit either. I just disagree with your (and others) stance on banning them outright.

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  King Tightarse on 14/01/2014 - 23:09

  Excellent for killing foot odor in socks!

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    tightarse on 14/01/2014 - 23:32

    Are we related?

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      King Tightarse on 14/01/2014 - 23:49

      +1

      Lol
      Do you have a great great grandaddy Schlomo of the Scootish clan Tight-Waddicus? And possibly smelly feet? If so, then yes, greetings!

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        tightarse on 15/01/2014 - 08:22

        No, I don't. And probably best we're not related then :)